Talk:Gurdwara Janam Asthan

Urdu text over Gurmukhi Punjabi

What purpose does Urdu serve in this page except for encouraging Pakistan ideology? If you want to assist Urdu speakers then TRANSLATE THE ARTICLE INTO URDU. Further, put your Urdu text on pages like Minar e Pakistan and other sites in Punjab but not Sikh pilgrimage sites. Great Pyramid of Giza still has no Arabic text so I don't know what you're talking about, they can't smack Arabic text on the article to a BUILDING built by a previous civilisation; yes perhaps the AREA the buildings are situated in as it is reasonable that Arabic speaking people are settled there, but the actual building itself doesn't get it. Besides, why are you trying to enforce a rule that you yourself state is inconsistent. To just bring up your inconsistent rule and enforce it so harshly and strictly to just aid the propagation of Pakistan ideology on pages that have nothing to do with it is extremely deceptive. Besides that, your rule clearly states: "This guideline does not apply to articles that are not predominantly within the scope of WikiProject India." - This topic thus comes into the jurisdiction of Wikipedia:WikiProject Sikhism and Wikipedia:WikiProject Punjab which are not partisan to the political identies of India or Pakistan - So Gurmukhi isn't going anywhere from Golden Temple, and certainly is not going to be replaced by Hindi "because it is a site in India". Punjabi is the language of Punjab and the Sikhs and Gurmukhi is the main worldwide recognised script of Punjabi, you can't hide Gurmukhi text from Sikh pilgrimage sites in favour of Urdu. --Manavpreet Kaur (talk) 20:21, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

Your whole argument is based off a bigoted dislike for "Pakistan ideology," and a nonsensical insinuation that I'm somehow pushing an ideology. Your argument isn't that Punjabi needs to be added (it's already there anyway), but that Urdu not be used on a page for a Pakistani building. I'm not stopping Punjabi from being used (again it's already there, with even the non-national Gurmukhi script in the infobox), I'm stopping you from removing Pakistan's national language from a page about a Pakistani building.

The whole point of pointing out the Indian rule was because you yourself asked me why Hindi isn't all over the Golden Temple page. That's why I explained to you that as per Indian Wiki consensus, NO national scripts should be used on the page. Not even Gurmukhi. The fact that Gurmukhi is still there is because of lax enforcement. That doesn't imply that somehow the Sikh or Punjabi identity are higher up in importance than its Indian identity. Likewise, Somnath has no Hindi or Sanskrit, and the Jama Masjid Delhi page doesn't have urdu or arabic. That's because these are still sites in India, and are subject to Indian consensus. Their Hindu and Muslim identities do not supersede their national location. That's also why there is no Punjabi on the page for Takht Sri Patna Sahib, despite it being a Sikh shrine. Hazur Sahib Nanded follows a pattern similar to this page in which gurmukhi is only in the infobox. Same with the page for Takht Sri Damdama Sahib. Even Guru Granth Sahib doesn't include Gurmukhi script on its page at all! Nor does Guru Nanak, or Guru Hargobind, or Ranjit Singh. That's why, contrary to your assertion, Punjabi script can indeed be removed from the Golden Temple page to make it align with other Sikh-related pages that have no Gurmukhi script on them (like Gurdwara Sri Tarn Taran Sahib and Akali Movement).

The Wikipedia Sikh project only exists to:

" a project to better organise information in articles related to Sikhism. This page and its subpages contain their suggestions; it is hoped that this project will help to focus the efforts of other Wikipedias"

And did you care to take notice that the page features a banner reading This WikiProject is believed to be inactive ?

Your argument against using a language for a building built by another civilization is wrong. Refer to Giza pyramid complex with Arabic, Babylon, Buddhas of Bamiyan, and Dome of the Rock (which also has Hebrew).

Further, please don't offer unsolicited and rather condescending advice. I'm the one who basically rewrote this entire article and made it into a legible page when it was previously just a short and jumbled mess of irregularly sized photos.

Willard84 (talk) 02:28, 17 August 2017 (UTC)

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