Talk:Giovanni Gentile/Archive 1

Needs more information on his life

This article offers very little biographic information. --NEMT 06:29, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Influenced

In terms of the 'Western Philosophers' bracket, should "Benito Mussolini" really be under the "influenced" section? This is for philosophers influenced, I doubt very many would agree Mussolini to be a philosopher. I don't think Mussolini's appropriation of Gentile's philosophy denoted a separate philosophic current of any kind like Stalin's amendments to Marx's philosophic precepts. Nagelfar 00:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Mussolini wrote for Avanti! (the socialist paper Gramsci and other had also written for). While not a first or even second class philosopher by any means, he was an intelligent man who wrote essays imbued with philosophical concepts - and he wrote a lot of them, unlike say Hitler or Franco - neither of whom were particularly intellectual men. The nature of Sovietism meant Stalin would have to issue proclamations in Pravda. Fascism demanded no such orthodoxy.

Even though the article doesn't indicate it, Mussolini's Fascism was quite different from Gentile's, too. If we consider Stalin as someone influenced by Marx (and well we should) we should do the same here. While you or I or someone with some background in philosophy may see Gentile as the obvious father of Fascist political philosophy, this is not readily apparent to everyone. His most historical significant influence was on Mussolini (even if he was not the most philosophically significant, again just as Stalin wasn't a notable Marxist scholar but a towering historical figure and he did weigh in on things like Marr, Socialism in one country, etc). Guinness4life (talk) 22:18, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Famous quote on Corporatism

Edit to Corporatism by 71.58.74.31 on 29 January 2008 - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Corporatism&oldid=187628588

"Some critics equate too much corporate power and influence with fascism. Often they cite a quote claimed to be from Mussolini: "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." This quote actually is from Giovanni Gentile, the philosopher of fascism, in the first edition of the Italian Encyclopedia (Enciclopedia Treccani)."

-- Can anyone confirm that this famous quote is from Giovanni Gentile? -- Writtenonsand (talk) 16:37, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The idea of 'a merger of state & corporate power' is itself somewhat redundant since "corporation" itself is a legal vehicle of the public power of the state which legally ensconces private interests and incorporates them to be within a public governmental legal framework. (e.g. Corporate personhood is already the merger of private interests and state interests, so merging private-state merged methodology again to the state is a repetitive layer of synthesis if not an outright redundant kind of interaction) Nagelfar (talk) 15:31, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

Needs eviscerating

This article reads like the rambling prose of an amateur philosophy buff. It needs to be gutted and concisely summarized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.241.214.138 (talk) 01:11, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I second this... The section on his philosophy is valid english in the sense that it uses proper syntax, but there is not much else that can be said in its favor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.152.113.210 (talk) 09:09, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Could it be that you fellows are the ones who just can't comprehend the nuances of Fascist philosophy? I know it is probably new to you. Missaeagle (talk) 02:52, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Reasons behind Catholic proscription of works?

The Catholic church placed Gentile's entire works as proscripted; presumably under the pretense of their being interpreted as incurvatus in se by some metaphysical misunderstanding. Gentile however never abandoned the consideration of himself as a Catholic "after his own fashion". Does the Catholic church have an official reason for this position having been made? Nagelfar (talk) 06:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Knowing a little Italian and reading his early intellectually-dense works, the rationale here seems totally comprehensible: the Actual Idealism of Gentile negated the non-negotiable essence of the teaching of Catholic Christianity, specifically in its devaluation of the TRANSCENDENCE of the monotheistic Judeo-Christian Godhead and historicist emphasis upon the principle of immanence. Vatican theologians doubtlessly detected this sort of "religious mysticism of humanism" in Gentile, embattled on every side, as meanwhile the other philosophical wing of doctrinal Fascism was of EVOLIAN nature, Evola being an archaicist celebrant of "pagan imperialism" of Nietzschean synthetic tendency, and severely anti-Catholic, at least in the contemporaneous context.

I am interested in sources related to Gentile and transcendentalist theism. Any erudite fascists out there supply away...

Mussolini was torn between Gentile, Evola and his Jewish lady-friend describes his sincere self-concept as a "Nietzschean Templar" (an extreme of fascist fusionism?)...I do not know what to make of the theological story here... Messy... I guess it comes down to: was Gentile an idealist transcendentalist of the more hardcore neo-Hegelian kind...? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.52.186.148 (talk) 10:17, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Evola and his 'paleogenesis' was never mainstream to Mussolini, he was more fond of the Futurists, like Marinetti than Evola. Nagelfar (talk) 20:13, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

In the event, Giovanni Gentile...

The sentence beginning with "In the event, Giovanni Gentile..." has been marked as needing clarity. It is an enormously pedantic way to say that Gentile believed in free speech, and he predicted that the end result of free speech in his government would be more support of Fascism. It's so pedantic that I actually think it's awesome.Italick (talk) 01:01, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Wonderful original research

someone really loves fascism, the prose here is very well presented, a beautiful work of research into the thinking of mr gentile. It might be nice to indicate if anyone ever was critical of his works. Ive heard there was some controversy in the early 20th century over this philosophy. just saying.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 06:45, 4 July 2013 (UTC)