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I'm not sure why you're unhappy; don't get mad and leave. Take some time, relax, explain what's the matter... Not having done a "BEFORE" on Titstare is really small potatoes and I hope that I haven't done anything to offend you. I don't think that I have... Anyway, take a couple days off if that's what it takes and then vocalize what's the matter. Things that are broken can't be fixed if they're tossed in the dump. Best regards, —Tim /// Carrite (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

  • I looked at that AfD and see no reason not to close it as a SNOW keep, which is what I just did. However, I have no issue with the thing having been nominated in the first place (shit happens), and accusations about a "pattern" of bad nominations (Doncram) or "Trigger-happy deletionism" (Wikidemon) are expressions of bad taste and bad faith, and those editors appear to have never read WP:AGF or WP:NPA. Wikidemon and Doncram, who in my opinion have no need to visit this talk page unless they wish to offer an apology, are advised to seek more appropriate fora and present evidence--or, of course, they can just keep those comments to themselves. Take it easy, Mercurywoodrose. Drmies (talk) 03:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
How exactly is that an accusation of bad faith? If someone is going to hastily invoke an administrative process to oppose and undo other editors' work, they shouldn't have a thin skin about the process they use. That's a recurring problem at AfD. I do apologize for being too harsh without considering the source. I meant to register annoyance, not to make anyone feel bad. I'll keep an eye out for MWR and try to be more kind. Cool username, BTW. - Wikidemon (talk) 19:14, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words above, added as i was typing below. the strong content below can hopefully be seen as my blowing off steam. thanks for the name compliment too. Also, it was more the other editor, who i think saw a pattern in other edits of mine, so your comment was to me more of a straw on the camels back.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:30, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Because i DONT have a motherfucking pattern of doing so. and its OK to AFD something that you honestly believe is nonnotable, even if the end result is a snow keep. there is a big difference between being incorrect in one's estimate of notability (which i admit to assuming that an article on the app would be the only criteria, that the controversy is the bigger topic), or even accidentally or mistakenly skipping a step (mea culpa on not checking for more refs), and deliberately misusing the AFD process. if i AM actually misusing the AFD process, perhaps an editor would be kind enough to point it out privately on my talk page before assuming bad faith and labelling me as such at an AFD. i have considered, off and on, becoming an admin. my understanding of adminship is the review is severe, and any evidence of inappropriate editing is grounds for denial. I now have this on my record, and i suspect that i will never be allowed to become an admin, based on this accusation. I am unfortunately used to head trips from my professional life (not coworkers, mind you), but i really dont need that here. I am going to give myself an approximate 6 month break on making or commenting on AFD's, to show good faith and to avoid more discomfort, though i admit i just afd'd the socal portal, which i hope was done properly. I do have a fair edit history here and at the commons, with few reversions, so i am not a newcomer. I still do feel like my editing style could be ravaged at any time, for any reason, with no consideration of myself as a person, and I have one other incident where an admin blatantly used ownership to deny my edits, and pretended they didnt own anything, as good a display of a personality disordered, power hungry asshole as i have encountered anywhere, with few others commenting on their behaviors.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 19:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this for the past few days, and I think you are exhibiting a lot of qualities that are worthy and noble in a potential admin. You are thoughtful, sensitive, you care, you want to do the right thing. I am far from the administrative nomination process, I think the whole thing is pretty flawed. I know I would make an excellent admin myself, but I could never win a confirmation. I've been involved in too many policy debates, fought too many trolls, stood up too many times. Nobody would ever fault you, in an administrative appointment, for making a bad deletion nomination. I don't think anyone expects admins to be right all the time, they just have to be fair, and respectful, and thoughtful, and sincere. If someone ever said you were unfit because you made a bad process nomination you could disarm them completely by saying what you've said here, aw, gee, I'm willing to listen, I respect your point, I was not trying to steamroll you. Let's have a nice chat. I'm learning. Your "I DONT have a motherfucking" comment above is very honest but that's a temperament you can't take into the admin corps. When you carry the mop as they say, you will find many floors that do not want to be scrubbed. They will lash out, they will attack you, they will play games and create fake accounts, they will accuse you of a lot of things. What the community is looking for in admins, I think, isn't someone who will fight back, but someone who is above the fight. Drmies is a very well-respected admin of long standing around here, which means that his (her?) opinions carry some weight, but I think they went too far to be nice to you — cheering you up, as they should, at the expense of saying I was acting in bad faith or accusing you of that. Everything here leaves a trace. Nobody's perfect. Anyway, feel free to stop by my page anytime with a request, and if you are ever nominated for admin I'll support it. If you think an article I create is not notable, best ask me first and I may reconsider. You know how it is, any editor who creates a new article feels bad when it is quickly criticized. After 1000+ articles I know how to defend mine so sorry that I snapped at you in that way. Best, and happy editing! - Wikidemon (talk) 06:56, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I wanna say I'm sorry for causing you a bad day and more 2.5 years ago, when I made unfair accusation against you in that AFD. I just happened to find my way to Drmies' Talk page, and found my way to a side conversation that happened there back then, and then I came to check to see if you were still active, and I am glad to see that you are. I appreciated Drmies comment to you back then, and thanked them, but I think back then that I figured it was better I didn't say anything here. I do apologize now, if I may. Sincerely, --doncram 04:20, 21 February 2017 (UTC)

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About proof of notabilityEdit

Thank you for adding the expansion tag for LGBT culture in San Francisco. I agree that the article needs to be expanded. However I don't think the article is in danger of deletion, nor is it in danger of merging:

  • 1. The "further reading" is of course a resource to people who want to build the article, but it is also more or less a way of saying: Hi! This subject is notable. Please don't do an AFD, because the existence of these sources are proof of notability. Please don't attempt a merge either!
  • 2. It's common sense in the western world that "San Francisco is the center of the gay community" so I feel like the bare minimum was needed to establish this subject: I would prefer to devote more time and energy to establishing lesser-known/more obscure articles, things that are not obvious through common sense. As a longtime editor I understand the sourcing requirements, WP:V, and the like. But I also believe other editors should have a sense of common sense. By following common sense, the editor should understand that it is unreasonable to suggest a merge or an AFD. If either one is tried, the natural outcome would be keeping the article.

Having said that I will look for a "statement of notability" such as "ABC, a journalist at DEF, said ...." WhisperToMe (talk) 15:50, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully what I find in the Google Books editions of The Meaning of Gay: Interaction, Publicity, and Community among Homosexual Men in 1960s San Francisco will make the subject's notability clear WhisperToMe (talk) 16:00, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, I found a statement of notability from Google Books. Hopefully that will put any concerns to rest :) WhisperToMe (talk) 16:31, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I see. I wonder if anybody on Wikipedia has done studies on whether undeveloped stubs actually turn off readers.

Back when I started on Wikipedia in 2003 the idea is that a small stub is supposed to be inviting to the reader, who can take it and add more. A small stub is like a seed and an encouragement of other authors to help it grow. I'm afraid that if it just starts as a sub-section of "San Francisco" (which is already very, very large) other less experienced editors won't understand that it's a viable subject. I generally prefer to start the article ASAP and only keep things in my userpage as a draft if I'm unsure that the article meets notability standards.

I think the amount of books that are specifically about the LGBT culture in San Francisco would actually go against the idea of merging temporarily because it's obvious that the subject is viable as a standalone article. Maybe I'm more of an old-school editor but I prefer starting a stub ASAP and inviting others to complete it later, though I do work on the article as it's in the mainspace. WhisperToMe (talk) 20:01, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

I believe that small stubs are a wonderful part of WP, and essential to its development. what i find problematic is when an obviously huge topic has a very skeletal article, which, when compared to what could be written, is so sparse as to be useless. nearly everyone on earth knows that sf has a lgbt community, and that harvey milk was part of it. I think WP has evolved such that highly notable topics need at the start to at least address the basics, and its a bit of a disservice to have something too sparse be representative of the topic. I think this particular topic is a gross oversight, that should have been dealt with years ago, but i guess no one really wanted to try. I will definitely help if i feel inspired (i rewrote the lede a bit). and i dont think anyone will fault you for trying. if this was built up to about 5 k in size, with links to major topics, it would be fine in articlespace. your or i could knock that out in about a day. go ahead, make my day:).Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:07, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
PS regarding your concern that editors at the SF aticle might think its not a notable topic for a subsection. any such editors there would have their heads up their butts (so far as i know this is not a sexual practice supported by the lgbt community). i wouldnt worry about that. I think people will be flabbergasted if they suddenly realize there is not article about this yet. the only concern would be whether even a subsection can begin to address it adequately prior to full article. it needs at least 50k or so be even a "c" class article, and i wouild say at least 25k for start class, so it will never remain as a subsection, but should be a "main article" link only, not a "see also" link, with at MOST a single sentence like the lede i just created for the article.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 20:12, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
I'll keep everything here. Anyway, thank you for your help! I think a lot of the big topics had already been started which is why it's rare to encounter such a big subject with a small stub. Anyway I found some articles which should help add some meat to the bones :) - Keep your eyes peeled while I work some magic WhisperToMe (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2014 (UTC)
The article's now at about 8,000 bytes WhisperToMe (talk) 18:40, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

It's now at 17,486 bytes and an editor went ahead and removed the stub tag. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:16, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

I made it Start class. its about as good as it possibly could be with one editor and this short a history. I expect it to easily expand, as im sure you intend. i added it to the San Francisco article as a main article link in a subsection on lgbt in the city, which i created (that was just me adding subsection breakers or whatever they are called, no real editing), as its definitely useful now. I hope to edit some myself, but you definitely dont need my help. your writing style is very matter of fact, not promotional, which i also try to aspire to.Mercurywoodrose (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you. :) I do think that using a dispassionate editing style is perhaps the most important thing in Wikipedia editing. I did intend for the article to not only to be expanded, but for it to link to other "LGBT in city" type articles (so they get more exposure) and to encourage and inspire Wikipedians to start their own "LGBT in city" articles. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:55, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

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add gay games, and the bar founder, to dyk/years. dyk at lgbt should be "dyke" (thats dumb)Mercurywoodrose (talk) 18:30, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

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There are sections on the WikiProject page dedicated to tasks (including WikiGnome tasks too), and areas on the talk page for discussing the improvement and automation of the various features of portals.

There's a watchlist, of all the pages in the portal namespace, for viewing Related changes.

And more.

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We may even surprise ourselves and exceed all expectations. Who knows what we will be able to accomplish in what may become the biggest Wikicollaboration in years.

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We now have 52 members, and more are joining daily.

New and easier way to handle excerptsEdit

Attention portal maintainers!

There's a new template to improve existing and new portals, called Template:Tl.

It is a lot easier to use than copying and pasting text from articles, as it displays the paragraphs you specify automatically for you.

It makes excerpts so that they are always current and never go stale or fork.

It is more powerful than it looks, because it has the Lua Module:Excerpt supporting it.

Be careful, as it is alpha software. Please notify the WikiProject talkpage of any problems you come across.

To give you a sense of the reaction this template is generating, here is an excerpt of a discussion thread from the WikiProject's talk page:

  • This new template is fantastic. I've added it to the intro sections of the portals on Australian cities (eg P:PER) and it works brilliantly. My compliments to its creators. It can probably also be used in other sections of many portals (eg "Selected article" and "Selected biography"), and, for that reason, will probably make the task of maintaining portals a great deal easier. Bahnfrend (talk) 09:02, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
    Thank you for being so brave. Template:Diff just got a lot simpler! Certes (talk) 10:43, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
Kudos on a wonderful template.    — The Transhumanist   03:27, 25 April 2018 (UTC)
This is amazing stuff. I'm going to get to work on using it on the selected content at most of these portals very soon. WaggersTALK 13:40, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

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I wrote a comment in the the April 26 section of the RfC explaining what we are up to. I liked the excerpt above so much, that I went back to my RfC posting, and inserted it.

Please add Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals to your watchlistEdit

Wish listEdit

What's this? An old oil lamp. It's so dirty, I think I'll polish it...

*poof*

Whoa! Are you a WikiGenie? In that case, I get 3 wishes!

I wish...

  1. ...that Portal:Contents/Portals becomes up-to-date.   (The missing entries are listed on the talk page, with instructions).
  2. ...the WikiProject to have Article Alerts.   (Template:Tl templates have already been placed on all portal talk pages).
  3. ...that Portal:Cricket becomes a shining example of portal excellence.   (It was the main example of a crappy and unmaintained portal at the RfC).

Please make my wishes come true. See you around the portals!    — The Transhumanist   08:02, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject Portals Overview, May 04, 2018Edit

Thank you for being a member of the Portals WikiProject, and thank you for all the work you have all been doing on the portal namespace. To see the activity, check out the watchlist.

This is our 3rd issue, see previous issues at the Newsletter archive.

Top priority: Main list of portals needs updatingEdit

The top, and one of the most visible parts, of the portal system is Portal:Contents/Portals, which is intended to list all (completed) portals on Wikipedia.

About half of the missing existing portals have been added since this WikiProject's reboot (April 17th). Thank you to RockMagnetist, TriNitrobrick, Polyamorph, PratyushSinha101, Ganesha811, Bermicourt, Javert2113, Noyster, Ɱ, Lepricavark, XOR'easter, and Emir of Wikipedia, for working on this.

We are half-way to completion with this. We need everyone to chip in until it is done. Instructions, and the list of missing entries are at Portal talk:Contents/Portals#These are not listed yet.

I hope you'll join me there. ("Many hands make light work").

Thank you.

MembershipEdit

We're at 66 members, with more joining daily. We even have 6 WikiGnomes!

Special thanksEdit

I have awarded Certes with a portals barnstar on his talk page for his work on the new excerpt templates that are revolutionizing the portal system (Template:Transclude lead excerpt & Template:Transclude random excerpt). If you'd like to show your appreciation, please feel free to stop by his talk page and add your signature to the barnstar itself.

Thank you Certes. You are enabling this WikiProject to get the right things done, fast.

By the way, the templates have already gone international. After being told about the templates, Mossab wrote:

Thanks You very much!. Those are fantastic and great templates! I transferred them to Arabic Wikipedia and they do a magic great job. I worked to improve portal anatomy here and i do every thing i can to improve it and i am very sad for the nomination for deletion of portals :(. I am glad to be member on WikiProject Portals and i added my name with pleasure. Kind regards

RFCEdit

As you know, the (April 8th) proposal to delete all portals and the portal namespace inspired the reboot of this WikiProject. RfCs typically run for 30 days, which means there are 5 days left including today, before the RfC will be closed. The !votes are predominantly "oppose", but many editors have shared their disappointment with the portal system. We have our work cut out for us in correcting the problems of the portals to address their concerns. Complaints ranged from being out of date and lacking maintenance, to taking up the time of editors that they felt (due to low traffic) would be better spent improving articles.

Anti-WikiProject dramaEdit

This past week has been somewhat stressful for me, with more than a little conflict...

It culminated with my being reported at the Administrator's Noticeboard "for spamming and canvassing". This is the second time I've been reported there during the RfC; the first one was for posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages.

The accusations were 1) Posting notices of the deletion discussion (the RfC) at the top of all portal pages, 2) Adding an Article alerts section to the Portals WikiProject page, and 3) posting notices (invitations) about this WikiProject on user talk and portal talk pages.

None of which fall under the Wikipedia definitions of spamming or canvassing.

Thank you, Lionelt and Lepricavark, for coming to my rescue. I don't know how the discussion would have turned out if you had not spoken up.

The discussion was closed as "no action necessary".

After that, the person responsible posted their thoughts to my talk page. Here they are, with my response:

Congratulations, it appears your relentless targeted advertising of the RFC, your beating the RFC Supporters with a stick by posting countless times there, your dishonest insistence that Current Events was on the chopping block, and your obstruction of clean up efforts at MfD are paying dividends. Have fun playing with Portal space where no one will read your work. I'm sure someone will eventually clean up the mess when your interest wanes. Cheers. Legacypac

Thank you. I accept your congratulations on behalf of Wikiproject Portals and the portal-loving community – it was a team effort. In addition, I'd like to clarify some things about your claims above...
  1. Each page nominated for deletion must have a notice at the top of its page, per the deletion guideline. Not to have one there, would be unfair to those who use such pages, and would constitute a secret deletion tribunal. We don't do things that way on Wikipedia.
  2. As new facts became available (e.g., a motivated and thriving WikiProject to support the portals, new building blocks, etc.), it was appropriate to post the developments to the RfC, to support informed decision making.
  3. Proposals are literal, not figurative. The proposal specified "all portals". All means all.
  4. The fact is, the rebooted WikiProject is cleaning up the mess, rather rapidly. By updating and upgrading the portals, rather than getting rid of them.
  5. I think I'll be hanging around for awhile, but the project is more than likely to achieve critical mass and may outlive us all, due in part to the development of tools to assist editors in building, upgrading, and maintaining portals that are fully dynamic and self-updating.
Portals are more fun to work with than ever. Thank you for your role in making this happen. You made us try even harder, and inspired us to pull together as a team. You'll have a warm place in our hearts, forever. The Transhumanist

Automatically refreshed excerptsEdit

The main advancement we've made so far is applying selective transclusion Transclusion is template technology, showing a page on another page. Selective transclusion shows only part of that page. We use it to show excerpts that always match the source. The two templates we have so far, are Template:Transclude lead excerpt and Template:Transclude random excerpt.

Obsoleting subpagesEdit

Excerpts are migrating toward the base page of each portal, and where this is done, a subpage is no longer needed.

Template:Transclude lead excerpt will be able to be used to put the intro excerpt directly on the portal page, rather than on an intro subpage, once we adapt a portal design to accommodate this.

Template:Transclude random excerpt is currently being used on 1st-level subpages, and eliminates the need for 2nd-level subpages. (Many portals have 2 levels of subpages).

There are about 1500 portals, but there are around 148,000 subpages in portal space. Further discussions are needed to develop designs and components that do not require them.

It is my hope that the portal of the future will be a single page, or close to it, pulling in excerpts from specified dynamic sources (like category pages), filtered by ratings. This would obviate the need for subpages at all (except for maybe the header and footer subpages, which store a portal's settings). A more likely near-term solution would be subpages with a list maintained by a bot, or editors using semi-automatic tools.

New portalsEdit

Since the reboot, a new portal has been created:

Portal:Limited recognition

Please watchlist these pagesEdit

Some central pages in the portal system. The more eyes on them, the better.

Wrapping up...Edit

There's more in the works, like a rating system, further redesigns, etc. Keep an eye on the discussions on the project's talk page. They should start showing up there soon.

Hope to see you there. Sincerely,    — The Transhumanist   06:22, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Portals WikiProject update, 15 May 2018Edit

We are at 74 members. If you know anyone who might find this WikiProject interesting, please invite them.

The RfC has endedEdit

The RfC was closed May 11th, and a closing statement was posted May 12th which says "There exists a strong consensus against deleting or even deprecating portals at this time."

Ongoing tasksEdit

Some major activities that we are in the middle of include:

  • Adding the missing existing portals to the main portals list at Portal:Contents/Portals. Instructions are on the talk page. There are about 125 portals left to be processed. (There were 400). Keep up the good work!
  • Development discussions on how to migrate the subpages to the base pages. There are around 150,000 subpages in portal space, associated with the various sections on a typical portal. We are trying to obsolete them section type by section type. Currently, we're working on obsoleting the intro subpages and the "selected articles" subpages. Please join in.

Other tasksEdit

  • The list of portals not ready to be listed on the main list can be found at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see them - they are marked Template:Not ready). They are incomplete. If you want a specific portal to work on, please consider choosing one from that list.
  • Over the years, some incomplete portals (portals under construction) got added to Portal:Contents/Portals. Therefore, every portal listed there needs to be inspected, and any that are incomplete should be removed from that list and added to the not ready list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals#These are not listed yet (scroll down to see it). On Portal:Contents/Portals, I'm already almost done inspecting the portals in the culture section, and so you can skip those. The types of things to look for are empty sections (most will have a redlinked subpage), lack of "selected" sections, portal stubs with just an intro and end sections, and very poor layout (like seriously unbalanced columns).

Portal-building resourcesEdit

During his work on portals, Broter found a quote randomizer. It is Template:Tl.

Trailblazer: approaching the one-page portalEdit

Broter has transformed the Portal:Community of Christ so it is comprised of only 3 pages in portal space: the base page, its box-header subpage, and its box-footer subpage. Its other other subpages are now obsolete and are waiting for deletion. Nice job, Broter!

Well, that's all for now. See ya around the portals.    — The Transhumanist   06:38, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

The Signpost: 24 May 2018Edit

The Signpost: 24 May 2018Edit