Talk:Frances Raymond

Content added

I had been working on an article about Frances Raymond, not knowing that this one had been created in article space. I have added content from my proposed article to complement what was already here. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:34, 28 July 2021 (UTC)

Confusion

How did Frances Raymond die in 1901? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:473:8D36:587:EB2D:8306:178D (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2022 (UTC)

A mistake?

Guys, I think you mean the stage actress and author Frances Raymond. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2800:810:473:8D36:95F5:7FCF:D383:8F85 (talk) 00:48, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

This article incorrectly combines two different women known as Frances Raymond

There appears to be a lot of confusion in this article. This article seems to be referencing two different women known as "Frances Raymond".

The first Frances Raymond, who I believe is the woman in the photo on this page, does appear to have been an actress in motion pictures. IMBD has a page on here (https://m.imdb.com/name/nm0713259/), and gives the same birth and death dates as listed in the Wikipedia article. The introduction paragraph appears to be about this Ms. Raymond. I couldn’t find much on her, or a grave to reference, so I’m not sure what else information is out there about her.

The article contradicts itself later by saying Ms. Raymond died by suicide in 1901. This is not the woman who is mentioned in the intro paragraph, or with the photo of the article is of. Basically, from the “career” section down, this article is referring to a different Frances Raymond, the Frances Raymond who is credited to writing “Maylou.” I was able to find a lot more information about the younger Raymond, due to several newspaper articles that I found and that I will link below, mostly about her legal troubles with Wallace and her death. Her father is allegedly Frederick Lapzieu or lapzine and lived in Brooklyn. Her maiden name was either Frances Lapzieu or lapzine (I couldn’t tell the spelling from the article), but there is also another source that claims her actual name was “Martha”. Her two sisters were n. Burdick and Louise Koch. This Frances was also an actress, but apparently this was limited to just a short-lived stage career. After this career ended, she later ran into legal troubles from her relationship with Franklin Wallace. It was also mentioned in one source that she reportedly was married at one time to a “M. Shaffer”, so her real name, at least at one point, was potentially Martha Shaffer. It is also worth noting that I could not find a photo of this younger Raymond.

One thing that I want to note is that it appears that there was multiple versions recounted of her suicide and it appears some of the details were sensationalized. It is also worth noting one of her sister’s believed she was murdered; however, her husband contradicts this by attributing that claim to “grief”. It does appear, however, that the younger Frances did suffer a lot from some form of mental illness, and multiple accounts give of her having erratic behavior before her death. I hope this clarifies some of the confusion, and someone can fix this article. I’d love to see the two separate women get their own article.

https://www.newspapers.com/article/82180119/frances-raymond/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/24202420/frances-raymond/

https://www.nytimes.com/1901/05/06/archives/actress-and-authoress-commits-suicide-miss-frances-raymond-had.html

https://www.newspapers.com/image/168326317/?clipping_id=82181911&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjE2ODMyNjMxNywiaWF0IjoxNjY2OTkwNDI5LCJleHAiOjE2NjcwNzY4Mjl9.wnoPA4K6-MxfNpoT3QnraNx3xAJnhCOk-XU3wBpAZfI 170.142.177.8 (talk) 22:59, 27 July 2023 (UTC)