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Thomas Reiter edit
Why is Thomas Reiter listed in the crew for this mission? He's due for launch on STS-121.-gadfium 06:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Because he's taking STS-121 up to the ISS to join the Expedition 13 crew when the shuttle launches again. Stratosphere 07:15, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Indeed if STS-121 is delayed he might never join Expedition 13, but let's not plan for the worst.193.56.37.1 08:22, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- I believe he already is a member of the crew...just a different aspect of it. Expedition 13 encompasses the mission beginning at today's launch, but is not limited to the Soyuz TMA-8 personnel. Therefore "Current plans call for..." would not be an appropriate phrasing. Chuck 09:16, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- So if he never leaves the ground, is he still part of Expedition 13? :-) I think listing him as a Crew member with the note that it is contingent on STS-121 getting him to the ISS works fine. Rillian 14:01, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Interestingly, Reiter's name is not the mission patch. At least, not the one shown in Wikipedia. Wonder if that is NASA being cautious about Reiter actually becoming part of 13? Rillian 14:20, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- I noticed that NASA has updated the picture on their Expedition 13 webpage. Can someone update the Wikipedia picture? --Atrian 17:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
- NASA has a new patch with Reiter on it and the German flag trailing from the middle of the station now that he has joined the crew. From a historical standpoint I believe both patches should be viewable but probably the new patch should be at the top. Anyone have a format suggestion on how to accomodate this? All NASA patches are downloadable from their webpage for non commercial use. Skywayman 06:14, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Marcos Pontes edit
Why is Marcos Pontes listed as a crew member? He is, like Roberto Vittori on Expedition 11 only a short-term guest. --Juxi 08:14, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
Please do not list Marcos Pontes as a member of expedition 13, which he is not. He is on the Station for a short term stay. 193.56.37.1 08:21, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- According to NASA, Marcos Pontes is a member of the Expedition 13 crew, as is Thomas Reiter. Therefore, under, uh...Crew, they should both be included. Chuck 08:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Please show a reference. "according to NASA" is way too vague. What I read on NASA web site is : Pontes is a Brazilian Space Agency astronaut. He will launch with Expedition 13 and land with Expedition 12 under a commercial contract with Roscosmos. This means for me that he is part neither of Expedition 13 nor of Expedition 12, he is launching and flying WITH them. NASA is always very careful with their words: they say that Vinogradov is commander for Expedition 13, Williams is flight engineer and science officer for Expedition 13 and Reiter is second flight engineer for Expedition 13. Pontes on this page is nothing "for" Expedition 13, he "will launch with Expedition 13"... Besides, it is stated by NASA that this is a commercial contract with Roscosmos and Expeditions are governmental flights, not commercial flights. 193.56.37.1 10:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
- Agreed. The launch release [1] also mentions that "With the Expedition 13 crew is Marcos Pontes" which implies that he is not a member of the crew, just going with them for a short stay. Stratosphere 17:34, 30 March 2006 (UTC)