Talk:Ethnic Russians in post-Soviet states

Needs work

This needs a lot of work. Right now it looks like a coatrack to fork criticisms of the Baltic states recognizably copied and pasted from elsewhere (including not copying and pasting opposing opinions, for example, to the Amnesty report, and also having stale non-citizen numbers). And there's only a paltry "other" regarding the PMR, and nothing about any other post-Soviet state except numbers. Since it's new, I won't rush to AfD, but this can't come out looking like just another let's recycle more of the same criticisms of the Baltics page under the guise of a widely inclusive title.  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  20:35, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is cut-and paste from somewhere. The duplicated pieces may be shortened into summaries per wikipedia:Summary style. Yes, it requires a LOT of work. I claim no ownership of the page, but the subject is clearly notable. I am not sure I will continue on the subject: I just brought an attention to it. I started the page after I occasionally run into a large Russian article, cited for the intro sentence.

Please tone down on paranoia and calmly work on the subject, if you have something to contribute. (for example, you mentioned some "opposing opinions". I cut and pasted from Russian_diaspora#Former_USSR and, contrary to your claim, I actually omitted one anti-Baltic piece). - Altenmann >t 21:41, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Halo, what paranoia and tone? I just wanted to be clear that the article should be about the topic (which I agree is notable)—right now it is skewed to be pretty much exclusively about the Baltics. I did note in the edit history you removed some initial content. Thank you for confirming that's not your intent to fork Baltic content—since you did gather from other articles, the content itself is unsurprising. (It's a bit stale in places, the statistics need updating, but that's easily addressed.)

   Consider that when I state an article appears to be "X", that's what it is, a simple statement. You provided a simple answer. Whatever perceptions you have of paranoia et al. on my part are poorly informed. Now, wasn't that simple?  PЄTЄRS VЄСRUМВА ►talk  02:24, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

I wrote a long answer, but forgot to save before closing among many browser windows. Anyway, after sleeping over it, the issue is no longer important. The only two points from the lost answer is apologies and advice to not to jump to conclusions, but try to work on the article first, and only then see how and what happens with it. - Altenmann >t 17:26, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

(od) I deleted the WP:POINTy content fork and cleaned up the misleading editorializing in the lead. I didn't nominate for deletion as I think it would be a valuable article if it focused on demographics over time. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 15:35, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

How not a content fork?

How is this not a POV content fork of numerous "Human rights in..." and "History of Russians in..." Baltics related articles? Two lines on Moldova hardly qualify as content. The title here is much better served by an article purely on demographics, which this is clearly not. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 14:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

I indicated both "restore" and "restrict" citizenship for Estonia/Latvia. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 14:51, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Given the total lack of interest in editing the article, if the Baltics-only text is restored, I'll just nominate it for deletion as a content fork. But I'd rather we do something useful for a change without the politics, charges, and counter-charges.

The article was created by an editor now perma-banned from WP for their blatant POV pushing, so let's not continue in that vein. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 15:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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