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Whether Elizabeth Holmes was a chemical engineer or not

There seems to be disagreement about whether Elizabeth Holmes was an chemical engineer or not. I do not know how this moniker is typically assigned. Is it common practice as to describe someone does, a formal title from a certifying organization, or based upon a degree? IP editors have been removing "chemical engineer" from the opening sentence or removing Category:American chemical engineers. I really do not care, but removing it should not be done on a whim but should have some reasoning behind it. If it is removed, it should be removed from both the lead sentence & categories, but only if there is a protocol for calling someone a chemical engineer that Holmes did not satisfy. Peaceray (talk) 19:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Noting that the following reliable source states: "Holmes elected to study chemical engineering."

• Ken Auletta (December 15, 2014). "One Woman's Drive to Revolutionize Medical Testing – The New Yorker". The New Yorker. Retrieved 2015-10-19.

Peaceray (talk) 22:07, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

I was one of the IP editors who removed the "Chemical Engineer" designation. She may have elected to study chemical engineering, but multiple sources indicate she did not complete a degree in chemical engineering. (I elected to study Accounting in my undergrad, but I am not an Accountant.)

The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics Occupational Handbook states: "Chemical engineers must have a bachelor’s degree in chemical engineering. Employers also value practical experience. Therefore, internships and cooperative engineering programs can be helpful." http://www.bls.gov/ooh/architecture-and-engineering/chemical-engineers.htm

Additionally, there is a chemical engineering license required in all 50 states. It's a certification designation through NCEES. We have no indication that she has this certification, considering she did not complete the undergraduate studies. http://study.com/articles/Engineer_-_Chemical_Educational_Requirements_for_Entering_the_Field_of_Chemical_Engineering.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.229.243.76 (talk) 23:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

While a ChemE license may be required in all 50 states, that does not mean an individual ChemE is required to hold that license. Usually a license is only required for certain job requirements, usually involving public safety. If the job doesn't involve public safety, like designing rocket engines, or there is a licensed ChemE to sign off on projects, the individual license isn't required. Same for all other engineers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cgantz2000 (talk • contribs) 19:06, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

@71.229.243.76: Thank you, I am conviced & have removed "chemical engineer" from the lead sentence & also Category:American chemical engineers. Peaceray (talk) 21:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)