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Why are there so many additional topics for this person?edit
Latest comment: 3 months ago4 comments4 people in discussion
It feels like this wiki has been watered down to downplay this persons criminal activities.
we have promotional activities, connections, recognition, and in the media as superfluous sections in the article. These don’t seem necessarily and seemingly only exist to add more content that veers away from this persons actual noteworthiness. I move that these sections are reduced as they seem self promoting and create a self serving narrative to what is supposed to be a neutral article. 2600:4041:5872:C500:61F3:6EB7:A3BF:6C44 (talk) 05:09, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
I agree. Holmes was not a businesswoman who got caught up in some kind of fraud. Rather, she was a confidence artist the whole time. For some reason there is a concerted effort to whitewash her misdeeds. 72.76.158.105 (talk) 12:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Look at the RfC above where people think the opposite the article goes too far in calling her a criminal. It goes back and forth like that. There is no conspiracy. But be careful of your own biases. -- GreenC 14:17, 1 June 2023 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 4 months ago1 comment1 person in discussion
The lead section says she is "former". This is unusual phrasing. We don't normally say "former".
A simplified fictional example:
"Joe Smith is a writer, parachutist, professional chef and public speaker"
In fact, Mr. Smith is 88 years old, has not parachuted since his 20s, was a chef in his 40s-60s and recently published a memoir and gives public talks.
We don't say:
"Joe Smith is a writer, a former parachutist, a former professional chef, and a public speaker
The active status of a career label is not typical for the lead sentence for two reasons.
Maybe Joe Smith will start parachuting again? It would be impolite and unprofessional to assume otherwise. Unless he has publicly stated he has quit the sport. Elizabeth Holmes may be writing her next business plan right now, to pitch to investors, actively engaging in entrepreneurial activities. We don't know what she is doing with her life to declare in wikivoice she is no longer an entrepreneur.
Joe Smith never stopped being a parachutist as a description. Per WP:LEAD the first sentence should indicate what they are notable for. Holmes is notable for two things: being a very famous biotech entrepreneur (pre-conviction), and being convicted of fraud (post-conviction). Her notability was worded as being a "former" entrepreneur, which is not the same thing as being a notable entrepreneur.
We should simply state their reason for notability in the first sentence, and not engage in wording that attempts to downplay what they are notable for. Per BLP. -- GreenC 18:35, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
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