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The result of the move request was: Not Moved due to lack of support JMichael22 (talk) 06:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)(non-admin closure)}}

Edge (wrestler) → Adam Copeland – It's been two years since the last rename discussion and Adam Copeland I feel has officially taken on more as an actor and has broken away from his wrestling persona. All of his recent credits in television since 2015 credits him under his real name and I truly feel there is no longer a need to keep the Edge (wrestler) title JMichael22 (talk) 21:09, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Oppose We're in the same spot we were in in 2015. Edge is far and away his WP:COMMONNAME.LM2000 (talk) 23:19, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Strong Support I disagree if you go by WP:COMMONNAME Dwayne Johnson technically should still be "The Rock" his Twiiter handle is The Rock everyone knows him as The Rock he is The Rock. Adam broke off into acting after he retired apart from WWE he is no longer referred to as Edge. Also to mention WWE referring to him as Adam "Edge" Copeland showing even WWE using his real name to promote him. Haven, Private Eyes, The Flash, 2 films, Vikings and Bookaboo all using his real name breaking him away from his Edge name. Also a recent interview with Rolling Stone Magazine using his real name. At this point he's known as Adam Copeland just as well as The Rock is known as Dwayne Johnson JMichael22 (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
Also worth mentioning he was nominated for an award as an actor it was a Golden Maple Award for Best Actor in a TV series broadcasted in the U.S. as Adam Copeland not Edge. Another showing of how his career has Broken away from the Character Edge he played. He is an actor now not a wrestling character JMichael22 (talk) 23:45, 19 December 2017 (UTC)
  • This discussion will largely repeat the one from two years ago so I'll be as succinct as possible. Dwayne Johnson and Adam Copeland are on two different levels, Copeland is most famous for wrestling and Johnson may not be. Sources still call Copeland "Edge" or "Adam 'Edge' Copeland".[1][2][3]LM2000 (talk) 01:20, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Adam Copeland hosting a television special on Syfy under his real name Adam Copeland Ghost Mine Part 1 JMichael22 (talk) 02:25, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

User:LM2000 your first article is addressing him as Adam Copeland your second article is addressing as Copeland with a small mention of his wrestling having been Edge as well as your third article calling him Copeland. the title of your second source says WWE Hall of Famer Adam Copeland not Edge. Thank You right there are three perfect examples of how he is being referred to under his real name not Edge, two titles have Edge in them while the whole article is saying Copeland in it. JMichael22 (talk) 02:32, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

[4][5][6] All three of these sources are addressing him as Adam Copeland while mentioning Edge was his wwe name, two of these sources have Edge in the title while the articles are addressing his comments as Adam Copeland all sources you posted . He clearly is known as Adam Copeland just as much as Edge at this point JMichael22 (talk) 02:40, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
WWE.com – Living on the Edge: The Career of Adam Copeland This is a article from WWE.com referring to him as Adam Copeland. The career of Adam Copeland not the career of Edge. JMichael22 (talk) 02:44, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
From 2011 when Adam Copeland retired there is no doubt that he gained a successful acting career he was able to break away from wrestling. He had a great run playing the character Edge and no longer wrestles as Edge he isn't Edge the wrestler anymore he's himself Adam Copeland the actor and it's about time his page title reflects that he isn't a wrestler anymore JMichael22 (talk) 03:00, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Another Source Rated-R Suterstar Adam Copeland Get G-Rated – Huffington Post JMichael22 (talk) 03:16, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Another source WWE Hall of Famer Adam 'Edge' Copeland Joins Vikings Next Week – Screenrant.com another article mentioning Edge in the title but referring to him as Adam Copeland his real name in the article section. JMichael22 (talk) 03:23, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
  • I'll let others chime in but I think the sources support not moving. They use Adam Copeland but still mention "Edge" because that's what people know him by. That's why he's introduced in these articles as a WWE Hall of Famer and not a Golden Maple Award nominated actor.LM2000 (talk) 04:46, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Yea WWE Hall of Famer Adam Copeland not Edge. When Edge is said in the articles it them saying that was his wrestling name nothing more then that is said about "Edge". It's all saying Adam Copeland and even WWE is calling him Adam Copeland not Edge that right there is a big sign that he has gotten further away from the Edge name. JMichael22 (talk) 06:30, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Nowhere near enough fame as an actor under his own name - even the references the nominator is using to support his argument are referring to the subjectr in the context of his career as the professional wrestler Edge. 79.65.126.84 (talk) 14:11, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Please Read these sources carefully before deciding. Also please make your decision based on what the articles are stating not the titles of the articles. Thank You JMichael22 (talk) 18:59, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

  • [7] – This Source Makes a mention of his Adam Copeland formerly being the Edge Character and his transition out of wrestling.
  • [8] – This Source doesn't support keeping Edge at all as it stats nothing about the name "Edge" it's all about Adam Copeland being interviewed about his role in Vikings while addressing him throughout the article as Adam Copeland
  • [9] – This source doesn't support Keeping the Edge name as all it is doing is making mention of Copeland's Former character and the type of characters Vince McMahon is looking for. While Still addressing him as Adam Copeland in the article
  • Adam Copeland Ghost Mine Part 1 – a source I feel supports the name change it is of Adam Copeland being a host of a Syfy TV series with 0 mention of the name Edge or anything about being edge.
  • [10] – Nominated for his work as an actor in Haven as Adam Copeland not Edge.
Yet again, these sources are undermining your own argument. The SI article names him Edge in the title. The Rolling Stone article refers to him as a WWE Hall Of Famer and makes an Edge pun in the title. The Sky Sports article names him Edge in the title. The WWE.com – Living on the Edge: The Career of Adam Copeland WWE article names him Edge in the title and throughout. The Huffington Post refers to him as the R-Rated Superstar in the title and as Edge in the article. I'm not even going to bother watching the Youtube clip. Once again, all the evidence is that the article must not be renamed in the near future. 79.65.126.84 (talk) 19:11, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Just because Edge is in the title makes no difference. if Edge isn't mentioned in the article then how can you say it opposes the name change. it take more then a Edge pun in the title to validate that no change should be made. The articles are what matter and all are addressing him as Adam Copeland not Edge. There for they are sources that support the name change. JMichael22 (talk) 19:15, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
You stated in your nomination that Edge "has broken away from his wrestling persona" but you have provided ample evidence that his wrestling persona is how he is known in the media. End of story. 79.65.126.84 (talk) 19:42, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
No not end of story is he still wrestling as Edge? in shows do they credit him as Edge? As an actor is his name Edge? Is he still portraying the character Edge? No then he has broken away from his wrestling persona he has gained success as an actor away from wrestling Dwayne Johnson used wrestling to get to Hollywood and became successful and Adam Copeland did the same JMichael22 (talk) 20:08, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
So prove it. Because thus far, every reference you have offered to support your argument only proves that Adam Copeland is best known for his professional wrestling as Edge. 79.65.126.84 (talk) 22:45, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
If you follow WP:COMMONNAME then David Schwimmer's page should be titled Ross Geller because from 1994–2004 that was the character he played everyone knows him as Ross. But wait His page is titled after his acting name why is that? Because Ross was just a made up character from a tv show. Edge was a made up name for a character on a tv show called Smackdown and Raw but now Adam Copeland doesn't play that part anymore on TV he plays different characters you see. Edge is a character not a person the person is Adam Copeland the actor. At this point you've gotta draw the line and realize the Actor Adam Copeland is best known for the professional wrestling character Edge just like David Schwimmer is best known for the Character of Ross on the tv series Friends. Dwayne Johnson is best known as the character The Rock an actors page shouldn't be titled after their most popular character they played plain and simple JMichael22 (talk) 23:08, 20 December 2017 (UTC)
Not comparable. David Scwhimmer didn't continue playing the character in public after cameras were turned off. Even though the wrestling business opened up a bit during his era, Copeland DID play the character to some degree in public. Therefore, it's how most people knew and continue to know him. Also, the argument that most people know Dwayne Johnson as the Rock now isn't exactly true. He's been doing the acting thing long enough now to where he does have his own following under his real name in addition to being one of the highest paid actors in the world. He's also now considering running for president under his real name, not The Rock. Copeland/Edge hasn't even approached that status level yet. NJZombie (talk) 07:19, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Wrestling characters are an extension of the person playing them. Jerry Seinfeld playing a fictionalized version of himself in Seinfeld would have been a better comparison than Scwhimmer and Friends. Besides that, ring names usually end up being stages names for their non-wrestling roles.LM2000 (talk) 08:01, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose I tend to look at these things this way... If I were to ask my mother, or anybody's mother for that matter, who she knew by name first, the wrestler named Edge or the actor, Adam Copeland, who is there a stronger chance she's going to pick as the name she's familiar with? In this particular case, I'd say she, and the world, are still much more familiar with the Edge name and that's what's more likely to bring them to this article if searched. NJZombie (talk) 07:19, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
User:LM2000 the Jerry Seinfeld comparison doesn't work because because Edge isn't a real person it's purely a character. I can show you the exact interview where Copeland stats Edge is a rock star persona as to where Adam is laid back. Making An comparison between the character and himself and "Wrestling characters are an extension of the person playin them" that is just a matter of opinion. Because I don't really believe Kane goes around with a mask and making fire appear and I don't believe Undertaker is really a deadman. Edge was a character plain and simple a name as an Actor he doesn't go by. JMichael22 (talk) 15:25, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Also User:NJZombie that whole mom thing is a flopped statement what if a mom watches Vikings and has 0 clue about wrestling characters? She see's Adam Copeland so is it an automatic fact she's going to say oh that's Edge? Absolutely not since 2013 he hasn't used the "WWE Superstar Edge or WWE Superstar Adam "Edge" Copeland" in any TV shows if a wrestler breaks away from his persona it makes sense to follow it Adam Copeland isn't Edge. Edge isn't real Edge was a name for a fictional character. My Reason for the David Schwimmer comparison was because Schwimmer played Ross for 10 years and played the character on two shows and even won awards for playing the character but his page title doesn't reflect that. Adam Copeland played Edge for 13 years didn't win any awards for his role as Edge and even wrestled in his early years in WWF as Adagm Copeland. The amount of years Schwimmer acted as Ross Geller he is remembered for that role more then any other. Adam Copeland is remember for playing Edge more then anything else. But the difference is neither one of them are their characters they are Adam & David Actors. JMichael22 (talk) 15:24, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Well, up until next week, a casual viewer watching Vikings wouldn't know him for that show as he hasn't made his debut yet. Additionally, the point I made has nothing to do with someone's mom actually watching either show. My mother never watched an episode of WWE television but she certainly knew all of the characters and their names through merchandising and the like, especially during the time Edge was an active wrestler, which saw the highest ratings ever. If I were to ask my mother, and to clarify, using my mother is not what I use to gauge all articles... she's simply a representative of the general public at large who don't necessarily follow wrestling, if she knew who Edge was, there's at least a chance of her knowing who I meant. If I mentioned Adam Copeland as an actor, there is zero chance of that being the case and that would be the case for many other members of the public. It has nothing to do with if they watch a show or not. It's the familiarity and likelihood of the particular name being searched. I never have, and never would watch an episode of Will & Grace but I know each and every one of those actors' names due to the fact that it was a major show and you couldn't escape knowing their names at that point. I never knew any of them even existed before that show came on. The point being, you don't need to actually watch a popular show to know the names of the characters or the actors that play them. Once again, in the case of Copeland/Edge, as wrestlers there is a level of continuing to play their characters out in public at all times. Actors on all of the TV shows mentioned do not need to do that. Maybe Adam Copeland will reach that stage where he's known more by his actual name than his former ring name, but to date, there are still more people that instantly identify him by Edge before his own name. Listing articles that call him by Adam Copeland proves nothing as they're reporting on what he's doing now under his real name, yet still have to identify him with his ring name to help you place who he is. NJZombie (talk) 22:43, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Edge and Adam weren't totally divorced from each other (see the Hardy/Lita storyline). But even with the most outlandish gimmicks, like Kane, Glenn Jacobs still gets credited as Kane when he makes appearances in nonwrestling media. Ring names end up being stage names like NJZombie said, and WP:COMMONNAME is the central debate here regardless of anything else... I'm sure Jerry did some things on Seinfeld that he never would've done in real life, but that's another story.LM2000 (talk) 22:49, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
He Already made his debut on last nights episode FYI.... The Sources I placed all support that he is being recognized in the media for more then just Edge he is clearly being recognized as Adam Copeland User:NJZombie you can't just ignore the sources as they are proof that Adam Copeland is a recognized figure in the media not just Edge. Also that whole mom comment is dismissed just because your mom knows him as Edge doesn't mean the billions of people in the world are going to automatically Know Edge over Adam Copeland not everyone watches wrestling. I could mention my wife watched Haven but never watched wrestling because a comment like that doesn't matter in this discussion. I asked in the WikiProject Actors / Filmakers what makes an actor credible and Adam Copeland is considered a credible actor regardless of what your opinions about his acting career is. Also you can't discredit his acting career just because in your opinion it's not big enough or equal to The Rocks User:LM2000. Also LM2000 the Kane and Undertaker comments were because you said "Wrestling characters are an extension of the person playing them" so I mentioned two characters who are complete opposites of who their characters are. JMichael22 (talk) 02:58, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Also this statement (Listing articles that call him by Adam Copeland proves nothing as they're reporting on what he's doing now under his real name) – That is exactly what I'm trying to prove its about what he's doing now As Adam Copeland not Edge. Not many things are reporting him as much as Edge over Adam Copeland that is what I'm trying to prove so thanks for that comment User:NJZombie. The Question is Now today what is the media reporting him as Adam Copeland or Edge? It's not about How you personally feel or how LM2000 personally feels. It should be based solely on the sources because that how we form pages based off of sources not opinions of Wikipedia Editors it should be based on facts not opinions. And my sources does prove something it proves The media is referring to him as Adam Copeland there are small mentions like Adam Edge Copeland but still a majority of them are mentioning his name Adam Copeland not Edge a fake made up name for a made up wrestling character JMichael22 (talk) 03:18, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
No need to thank me because it doesn't support your point in any way. The point is that they still need to use his past profession and name for people to know who is being spoken of. To answer your question, they're referring to him as both Adam Copeland and Edge. He doesn't have an acting career status that stands on its own without that mention and therefor, is not recognized as such on the scale that one of your other examples, Dwayne Johnson, is. There are numerous articles about him and at this point, there is no need to even mention his wrestling past because his own name is 100% recognizable now. So the sources aren't ignored, they just don't prove the point you're trying to make to us, the users who don't agree with you and are voting this move down. They can report him infinitely as Adam Copeland but as long as they rely on mentioning his past as Edge with such frequency, as a way to gain recognition, he doesn't fit the requirement here to stand on his own name as the COMMONNAME. It truly doesn't matter what the media calls him if they're still going to keep calling him former WWE Superstar Edge in the same breath. More people know him as Edge than do as Adam Copeland despite what the media wants to refer to him as anyway. That's what the article names are based on. It stand apart from the roles of other actors because he did portray his character in public, as was and still is to a degree, required within the industry. That's why wrestlers are known by their stage names and actors are not known by the roles they portray. As far the comment about my, or anybody else's mother knowing him by watching wrestling. I already explained that nobody has to watch him to know his character because it was so heavily merchandised. You keep circling back to how many people watched him on wrestling and that's never been the point made. The point is that his wrestling character name transcended having to actually watch him on wrestling. His acting career has not done so. I don't have an opinion on acting career one way or the other. I think it's great that he's doing the acting thing even though I haven't watched a thing he's acted in. So I don't know why you pulled that out of thin air. All anybody is saying is that his real name is not as commonly known as his former stage name and until that happens, it's looking like the article's name isn't going to change. NJZombie (talk) 04:05, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:NJZombie which sources rely on the Edge name to to make mention who Adam Copeland is. please point out every source I placed that have to say Edge is Adam Copeland. Also don't make mention of titles of articles because If the article doesn't mention Edge is Adam Copeland then your argument doesn't stand against mine with your claims that Edge has to be mentioned for people to know who Adam Copeland is. Also please grab the quote from the site and which site it came from. Also the saying "Adam Copeland (formerly Edge)" Isn't using Edge to let people Know who Adam Copeland is its letting people know who Adam Copeland was just wanna make that clear just in case you try to use that as well as Adam "Edge" Copeland as they are using Edge as a nickname and not in anyway saying Edge is Adam Copeland. I wanna see your Claim that Edge is mentioned as the only way for people to know who Adam Copeland is. JMichael22 (talk) 05:26, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

You're joking, right? Just the first half of the articles you linked (articles, not the TV Guide and Netflix links which are not proper sources) feel the need to mention him as WWE wrestler Edge or aka Edge. Many of the titles alone say it flat out. (You don't get to decide whether my points stand against yours, by the way. The people reading our points and voting get to decide that. Maybe that's the problem though, you're looking at this as an argument and not a discussion or debate. I'm also not grabbing quotes for you. You can open the links yourself like I did.) I haven't even checked the second half yet but there's an obvious trend. That's because that's the name more people know him by. Here's the simple test. If you were to ask 100 random people, who they know immediately by name, wrestler Edge or actor Adam Copeland, what do you honestly believe the majority of the answers are going to be? It has nothing to do with his acting prowess or how long he's been using his real name. Can you honestly say that more people are going to claim to know the name Adam Copeland? The article intro itself states "better known by his ring name Edge." That's because it's the name most identify him with and therefor the name used for the article. Searching Adam Copeland still brings those that find him solely through his acting and want information right to his article. So what's the huge need to have the words on the top of the article change from Edge to Adam Copeland? NJZombie (talk) 05:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:NJZombie the mention of WWE Superstar Edge in TV Guide is false there is no mention of Edge at all same goes for Netflix. Also Edge is a fictional character do you not understand that Adam Copeland is the person WP:COMMONNAME says to use the name best used to describe someone Edge was a character a name Adam Copeland used Edge is a name owned by WWE it's a copy written name it's not even a name Copeland can use outside of WWE. Wrestlers are actors portraying characters and obviously people will know him from that but others will know him as Dwight Hendrickson from his 42 episodes on Haven and People will know him as Kjettil Flatnose from Vikings because not everyone watches wrestling not everyone is going to say oh that's Edge everytime he is on a tv screen he is no longer Edge hasn't been Edge for 6 years. the page should reflect his real name and allow people to see his wrestling section if they watch wrestling and see his acting section for those who know him from his acting. This is just a matter of opinion it's not you or me being right or wrong. But you've gotta take my sources into account because your making false statements on my sources like you saying the first two sources state anything about Edge. Also it's not a huge deal it's just the fact that he isn't a wrestler anymore he's an actor. Hasn't wrestled since 2011 and he's been acting since 2000. JMichael22 (talk) 06:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Re-read what I said about TV Guide and Netflix. Nobody made false statements about them. You don't read what is said properly. I excluded them in my statement and by saying NOT the TV Guide and Netflix links and stated that they're television listings that would never be accepted as a source of information on Wikipedia anyway. You and I are talking in circles at this point. The name doesn't change simply because he changed professions and the name he uses. I believe you have a huge misunderstanding of how that works on here. That being said, I let my points and yours stand as they are for others to agree or disagree. My vote is still a strong oppose. We'll see in a day or two where consensus takes us. NJZombie (talk) 06:23, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Sorry User:NJZombie "feel the need to mention him as WWE wrestler Edge or aka Edge" was the statement which is false my first half don't say that none of them say Edge to introduce Adam Copeland JMichael22 (talk) 06:27, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

  • Strong Oppose He is worldwide known as Edge. He isn't as big as Dwayne Johnson. Edge is the Common Name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 16:20, 21 December 2017 (UTC)
Most of the sources talk about his previous career as Edge. Also, as Edge he performed for 20 years in national and worldwide Television and Main Evented great PPVs, including WrestleMania. As an actor, he has minor roles in TV series. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 15:13, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:HHH Pedrigree Copeland didn't wrestle for 20 years as Edge that is false it was 13 years 1998–2011 he performed as Edge. He started his WWF career as Adam Copeland and Sexton Hardcastle. I just wanted to point that out. Oh and once again not everyone watches wrestling. JMichael22 (talk) 17:36, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Copeland Starred as a leading role in Haven season 5 that's not minor. And being in 42 episodes of Haven as a guest star then moving up to a recurring star and then becoming a lead star shows progression of his acting career. It's all about what the media is calling him today based from the last Request move. The media is saying Edge is starring in this show they are saying Adam Copeland is starring in this show and yes the mention Edge because that's his most known character he played but they aren't saying Edge isn't the credited name that the shows are listing him under its Adam Copeland. The Decision of the name change should be based off of the last Request move till today if The Edge character is being used more often to say who he is over Adam Copeland. And I feel my sources are showing it no one has yet pointed out one source of mine that states Edge is Adam Copeland. JMichael22 (talk) 17:29, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

He started in 1998. He stills appearing in WWE sometimes, even had his own Podcast, E&C Pod of Awsomeness and the Edge and Christian Show. He played a role in Heaven (but, as you said, "Oh and once again not everyone watches wrestling Heaven). His impact in TV and acting career isn't near to his pro wrestling career. The decision isn't about what names uses right now, is about Common Name. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 17:49, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:HHH Pedrigree First off he wasn't in Heaven he was in Haven from 2011–2015 Second the E & C Podcast he uses and E because he can't use Edge as it is a WWE owned name and he hasnt appeared in WWE in over a year and he didn't wrestle as Edge he appeared as Edge. Since the last request move in television his most common name has been Adam Copeland not Edge and with my sources I showed that clearly. He was nominated for an award for acting in Haven not For acting in WWE JMichael22 (talk) 18:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Common Name refers to the entire article, his entire life, no just the last few years. You don't undertsant the policy. He was nominated for an award, but he has won multiple world championships, the rumble and main evented wrestlemania as Edge. As Adam Copeland, he hasn't the same impact as Edge. If he makes the same impact as Dwayne (being the most followed actor in the world, the biggest draw, Hollywood Walk of Fame Star) I would consider. Right now, he has just a TV show, minor roles. Not as big as Edge. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 18:12, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Hey User:HHH Pedrigree isn't this your statement from 2014 – (Agree Edge isn't a name or artistic name (like Lady Gaga), he is a character owned by WWE, like Pee Wee or Mr. Bean. He is best know as Edge, but Edge is a character. Other wrestlers use their ringnames in other media (Eric Young TV Program, Steve Austin, Rowdy Piper...) but Adam Copeland looks like Dwayne Johnson. --HHH Pedrigree) that's funny you agree'd at one point on the move. Now your fighting hard against it JMichael22 (talk) 18:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Also you can't keep using the comparison of Dwayne Johnson to Adam Copeland because according to Wikipedia's requirements for an actor to be considered a credible actor Copeland is considered a credible actor. He has acting credibility JMichael22 (talk) 18:25, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

And Also Wrestling championships are make believe (Championship reigns are determined by professional wrestling matches, in which competitors are involved in scripted rivalries. These narratives create feuds between the various competitors, which cast them as villains and heroes.) Vince McMahon chooses who his champions will be one man decides who will hold a belt they don't matter they can't be compared to acting awards in anyway JMichael22 (talk) 18:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Yes, I said so in 2014, 3 years ago. I have changed my mind, Edge is the Common Name. Also, awards are also given by people who decides who is the winner. You don't have any idea how Common Name work. I'll stop right now, changing my vote to Strong oppose.

You don't understand I have the right to my own opinion as you have the right to yours. I understand fully what WP:COMMONNAME I just feel in opinion that his COMMONNAME is Adam Copeland. And Wrestling Championships and the Golden Globe Awards or any acting awards are no where near each other as wrestling is predetermined. I change my vote to Strong Support JMichael22 (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Nice. Now you're saying an acting award has more weight than pro wrestling titles because wrestling is predeterminated. As WrestlingLover said "Does an individual win a championship? Yeah, they do. Just like a person wins a scholarship for writing an article. They were chosen for a position by a group of people over other people. They won something." The pro wrestling titles he won proves he has a very succesful career. He didn't win a regional title, he won the World Title of the biggest promotion in the world several times. I'm comparing his careers. As pro wrestler, he performed from 1998 to 2016 in national and worldvide audience. As an actor, he performed since 2011. RAW and Smackdown had more viewvers than Haven too. You can't say "pro wrestlng is fake, the titles means nothing, the acting awards has more value". BTW, he wasn't won the award, he was nominated to the Golden Maple Awards, a minor award with only 2 years of existence. (it's not the Golden Globes or the Academy Awards). You have you the right to give us your opinion, but you're embarrasing yourself. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:23, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Golden Maple awards are in Canada you can't discredit them at all they are official awards. All you've been doing is trying to say my opinions are discredited and false JMichael22 (talk) 19:40, 22 December 2017 (UTC) Wrestling awards and acting awards are two separate things JMichael22 (talk) 19:47, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Golden Maple awards are official, but small. You're talking like he has won a Academy award. In a accomplisment level, Edge has won more as pro wrestler (World titles in the biggest promotion in the world, The Royal Rumble, 7 Pro Wrestling Illustrated awards). As an actor, he was nominated to a small Awards with only 2 years of existence. Talking about his accomplisments, he has won more as Edge. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 19:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

The legitimacy of Acting awards compared to wrestling awards is crazy you are really defending wrestling awards over acting as if they are on the same level that's ridiculous one man decides to the WWE Champion will be a real committee votes on who wins awards. But regardless this is about his name change not fake belts he has won and a predetermined wrestling match called the royal ruble he won and being at a wrestling Event called wrestlemania where all the winners are decided before the event even starts. You can't compare the two worlds JMichael22 (talk) 19:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

You're the one comparing two world. You're saying he is most known by his acting career rather than his pro wrestling career. As i said, the pro wrestling career is more notable and today, Edge stills the common name. He has found more succes, more accomplishments (as an actor, he hasn't won anything), more years, more viewers. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 20:04, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

All I said was Wrestling awards can NOT be compared I'm not comparing the two. You are defending his wrestling belts like they are on the same level as acting awards and nominations. Also Adam Copeland is now today his common name that's my opinion and Edge is your opinion as his name in your opinion I provided sources to defend my opinion. You haven't posted any sources to defend your stand. Instead your telling me. My sources aren't legit. JMichael22 (talk) 20:11, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Quick google research: Edge Wrestler, 24.800.000 results. Adam Copeland 8.420.000 results. Your sources say he is using Adam Copeland name. Also, the article has 246 sources, 90% of them talking about him as Edge. He has a most notable and well known career as Edge rather than Adam Copeland. Several sources you gave include his previous work as Edge also. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:44, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:HHH Pedrigree Where are you getting these numbers from? Googling Either name doesn't provide those numbers. JMichael22 (talk) 22:16, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

Sources To Support Name Change

The article includes 246 sources, talking about him as Edge. Some of the sources JMichael gave includes his work as Edge. He was fornerly known as Edge, but his career as pro wrestler is more notable and known than his acting career. --HHH Pedrigree (talk) 21:48, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

I've read through the entire conversation everyone had WP:COMMONNAME is supposed to be what the person goes by the most, Michael put since 2015 he has gone more by adam copeland then edeg and looking at the sources i see it being true copeland has bee the name he used the most since 2015 it has to be about what the news articles are calling him edge is being used as a nickname not a name to address him as LovelyAngle (talk) 22:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

User:LovelyAngle that is exactly what I've been trying to get thru since the last request he hasn't gone by Edge as much as Adam Copeland. He has gone by Adam Copeland in on all of his shows showing in the media his actual name is being used way more since the last time this was attempted. JMichael22 (talk) 22:19, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
I just did the reading it's being used more as his nickname then his WP:COMMONNAME LovelyAngle (talk) 22:43, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
Okay it's only been 1 year since he lasted worked for the WWE on a show which was canceled JMichael22 (talk) 23:03, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
  • Oppose Still best known. Y his ring name in general. But double comments. One, JMichael22, you double !voted. As nominator, your support is assumed. So your second "strong support" vote is plainly improper. Then again, so is the WP:Bludgeon you've got going on. We know what you think, as you've already said it (twice). You now need to let other people give their views without interference, which the excessive discussion and responses to every disagreeing !vote are. Repeating yourself ad nauseum does not make your position stronger, and will likely be ignored by the closer. So please do yourself a favor and just let others have their say. oknazevad (talk) 05:29, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

I've got no WP:Bludgeon going on JMichael22 (talk) 06:01, 23 December 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 27 January 2020

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The statement about his return to WWE at the 2020 Royal Rumble should be a separate subsection within that section of the article. 108.45.70.176 (talk) 04:24, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

  Not done. Why? It's a single sentence in a chronology. Splitting it into a separate subsection doesn't seem appropriate. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 04:42, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Edit request

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Please let me edit Adam Copeland profile because i noticed some mistake on English. WWexcelent (talk) 08:33, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

replied on user talk page. Rd232 talk 09:56, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

I need to make some changes. Sayandeep619 (talk) 13:46, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Not signed to a legends deal

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Edge is not actually signed to WWE any longer. He is a free agent as hic contract expired months ago and he rejected several legends deal offers. http://pwinsider.com/article/70908/edgewwe-update.html?p=1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.87.185.73 (talk) 19:13, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

He is signed under a legend's contract. Sayandeep619 (talk) 13:49, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Change the photo

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Please change the photo, put something new Stevekamalkham (talk) 03:54, 23 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 August 2020

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Updated picture of Edge because he has long hair again. 216.195.237.27 (talk) 15:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

  Not done: Your request consists only of a vague request to add, update, modify, or improve an image, or is a request to include an image that is hosted on an external site. If you want an image changed, you must identify a specific image that has already been uploaded to Wikipedia or Wikimedia Commons. Please note that any image used on any Wikipedia article must comply with the Wikipedia image use policy, particularly where copyright is concerned. —KuyaBriBriTalk 16:47, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Edge's fued with Roman Reigns

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It does not show the six man tag match that occured on WWE Smackdown: episode (July 16)....Id like someone to do something about that 101A.X (talk) 19:08, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 April 2022

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Theccorrectguy67 (talk) 18:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Grammar spelling

Grammar spelling Theccorrectguy67 (talk) 18:04, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 18:05, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

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