Talk:Ebrahim Raisi/Archive 1

Archive 1

he can't hear?!

@S.A. Julio: Hi dear. I see your name at User:GTVM92 's talk page. He restored my edit three times (1, 2 and 3). I changed the picture of infobox to this & this but he rolled back both of them. I went to his talk page , and ping him twice but he didn't any answer to me! His persistency on a inappropriate picture wich uploaded by him is surprising. it seems he can't hear! Can you help me? Benyamin-ln (talk) 20:56, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

death committee

Death committee is not an official name so it should not be used with quotation mark.--Seyyed(t-c) 13:34, 19 June 2021 (UTC) His photograph of 1980 shows brown hair but the main photograph shows whitened black hair.

 Done - thanks. BrxBrx(talk)^{(please reply with {{SUBST:re|BrxBrx}})} 23:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 June 2021

Ebrahim Raisi is no more the Hon'ble Chief Justice of Iran. He is the incumbent President of the Islamic Republic of Iran from 23rd June 2021 BishalED (talk) 12:26, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

 Already done This is covered in the article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:48, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021

Ebrahim Raisi holds a PhD in Jurisprudence and Fundamentals of Law with a focus on private law from Shahid Motahari Higher Education Institute. https://www.mashreghnews.ir/news/1227134/%D9%85%D8%AF%D8%B1%DA%A9-%D8%AF%DA%A9%D8%AA%D8%B1%D8%A7%DB%8C-%D8%B3%DB%8C%D8%AF%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%87%DB%8C%D9%85-%D8%B1%D8%A6%DB%8C%D8%B3%DB%8C-%D8%B9%DA%A9%D8%B3 Izadi114 (talk) 14:57, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 June 2021

Please change "He has claimed to have received a doctorate degree in Private law from Motahari University; however, this has been disputed." to "He holds a PhD in Jurisprudence and Fundamentals of Law with a focus on private law from Shahid Motahari Higher Education Institute." Izadi114 (talk) 15:01, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Not done Please provide a reliable source. The current wording is backed by a reliable source, so changing wording, from what is verified to what is not verified, is against Wikipedia policy. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:11, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Terribly sorry, I did not see the request above. The source you provide Mashregh News has close ties to the Iranian government according to the article, so in this case the claim is less reliable than the BBC article, which details why academic doubt exists regarding his credentials. Perhaps some compromise wording could be worked out, detailing the claim to credentails, but also acknowledging the significant level of doubt that exists. 78.26 _{(spin me / revolutions)} 15:16, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2021

Hi, Raisi is not on a EU sanctions list, as you can see here: https://www.sanctionsmap.eu/ (select "Iran", "Info" and "Lists of persons, entities and items") Therefore, I suggest chapter 10 ("Sanctions") should be adapted accordingly. thx 45.86.164.225 (talk) 13:54, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

 Done Found corroborating source europarl.europa.eu/doceo/document/P-9-2021-003332_EN.html 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲 talk 03:38, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

When is he taking office?

Why is the inauguration date August 8, instead of August 3, 2021? GoodDay (talk) 04:36, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

GoodDay, because the source says August 8. A bunch of editors have been changing it to the 3rd, but not one has presented a source to back that up. ― Tartan357 ^Talk 05:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

It's seems as though it's settled. August 3, it is. GoodDay (talk) 03:18, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

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Assembly of Experts - infobox

The infobox shows a three-day gap in Raisi's service in the Assembly of Experts. Is this merely showing he served consecutive terms (in which case it should be removed) or something else? Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 03:21, 23 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2022

Ebrahim Raeisi is No longer the "President of Iran" Such acknowledgement by Wikipedia will help with the democracy movement in Iran. Please note October 1st, 2022 as his last day in Power" Anooshiravan Dadgar (talk) 17:23, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

•  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. dudhhr ^talk _contribs (he/they) 17:25, 30 September 2022 (UTC)

Raisi's death update

President Ebrahim Raisi has died in a helicopter crash on 19 May, 2024 around 10:00 GMT. He was flying in an Bell 212 when about 30 minutes into the flight, officials lost contact with the aircraft. At about 1:30 GMT, rescuers spotted the wreckage from a distance from about 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the city of Varzaqan and then took about an hour to reach it. At the crash site, there were no signs of life, including the president's. Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Al-e Hashem, Ali Khamenei's representative in East Azerbaijan was actually alive for about an hour after the crash in which he made contact with the president's head of office before he died at about 11:00 GMT. There is no current known cause for the crash, except for maneuvering difficulties in heavy fog. Currently, there is no known successor to the president, but Mohammad Mokhber has been declared the current acting president of Iran. Although, Mokhber can only be the acting president for a maximum time period of 3 months before a new permanent replacement has to be nominated and approved by the Iranian Parliament.

Descent claim

Raisi CLAIMS descent, this isnt a confirmed thing, Sayyids claim paternal descent from Husayn is more appropriate to add, most muslims do not believe he is, especially Sunnis and many Shia, its a familial and common claim for clergy leadership. Supporters emphasise it for political/religious purposes. Urge a change to show claim as it implies he descends from the Prophet Muhammed's grandson without dispute. Ask for a kind ammendment.

He’s not dead yet.

The man isn’t officially dead yet. While his helicopter did crash, no bodies have yet to be found and no one has reached the crash site. It seems very presumptive to give him a death date without a body. 2601:408:8004:EAF0:A92F:DDB8:D33C:E0E1 (talk) 15:03, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, a voice of reason. Toadspike [Talk] 15:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Other sources say that he and other officials are fine. 180.150.112.106 (talk) 16:00, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

What sources are they? Mehr News Agency nor the Iranian RCS have confirmed it. Abandonee (talk) 16:39, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

They still haven't found the heli yet 151.34.90.247 (talk) 17:09, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

What about this? It says hard landing. Meaning it wasn't a crash. AP news, "Hlicopter carrying Iran’s hard-line president apparently crashes in foggy, mountainous region" 180.150.112.106 (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Exactly, we should wait for an official confirmation of what happened. Although Kann and Keshet 12 reports for more than an hour now that the "Israeli assessment is that Raisi is dead", as of now, they should be treated as speculative sources.

-- Masterdesky (talk) 17:21, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Ah Israel has better satellites maybe.180.150.112.106 (talk) 17:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Numerous violations of WP:NOTNEWS

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a news agency. Any reporting on the helicopter incident is far too soon. Wait for facts to be established and reported in reliable sources, and then report it. I encourage everyone to remove the frequent not news violations on sight. Jeppiz (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. We should hold off on writing about this incident until there are more clear reliable sources available SKAG123 (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, it's still unfolding. Also keep an eye on his wife's page, someone changed the description of it to "widow of the Iranian president" two hours ago. I changed it back to wife, as we don't know if he's dead or not. Camillz (talk) 18:59, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Death

Can I put "Possibly dead" in his info box? Camillz (talk) 18:56, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

No. See WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWS. Jeppiz (talk) 19:05, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

He's dead, Jim. ( https://x.com/anadoluagency/status/1792348729858768951 ) 2A02:2F01:6412:8000:A80C:A46C:F65F:3780 (talk) 00:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Associated Press and CNN is citing Iranian State TV that there are no signs of life at the crash site. CNN: https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/h_84e1c9ad10338418fd5540d8f7723cc6 Coasterghost (talk) 03:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024

2604:2D80:D780:9500:B1D5:FF5C:CC8B:83DC (talk) 00:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

He might of died in a plane crash.

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Note there is already a section about this with the quote It seems increasingly likely that Iran’s president is dead. Jamedeus (talk) 00:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed dead.

No official statement yet but several middle eastern media outlets are confirming the helicopter has been found as is decimated no one survived Theinfomer07 (talk) 02:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@Theinfomer07 if there's no official statement I don't think it's confirmed. Arcade Wise (they/them) (talk) 02:42, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

New AP story says no signs of life. No body but that's as close as we've got. Aresef (talk) 03:04, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

state media has now confirmed that there are no survivors... شاه عباس (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

CNN are citing Iranian state news agency IRINN and semi-official news agency Mehr News. Coasterghost (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

CNN confirms. He's dead. 2603:8000:3E00:9FE2:FD49:8141:D952:5BDB (talk) 03:10, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

multiple sources now reporting no survivors, I'd say it's safe to update the article Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I stand corrected, they're currently only reporting "no signs of survivors" Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:27, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024 (2)

Died 19 May 2024 (Age 63) Kalam, Iran 170.55.65.198 (talk) 03:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Done already. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024 (3)

Was not is. 75.51.27.24 (talk) 03:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Done already. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024 (4)

He dead BricklordOG420 (talk) 03:18, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Done already. RodRabelo7 (talk) 05:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Confirmed dead

He's been confirmed dead, per CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/index.html Ccole2006 (talk) 03:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Also per CBS News here [1] which get their reporting from state media CtasACT (talk) 03:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I haven't seen anything that confirms he's dead yet, only stating there were "no signs of survivors" Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:26, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes but lets be realistic he's not some type of immortal being who teleports out of the scene after surviving a helicopter crash, its de-facto confirmation. You are right on the verbatim point that it has not been stated WORD by WORD. CtasACT (talk) 03:30, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No reason to rush. See WP:CRYSTAL and WP:NOTNEWS. Instead we have people breaking the formatting of the page to rush to be the first person to edit it. 2600:4040:297C:8F00:CC1E:28D2:F5EB:DCA0 (talk) 03:32, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

They've said "no signs of life". That's not a confirmation, but means presumed dead or missing. They haven't even found the body. Linkin Prankster (talk) 03:38, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

How bout this? https://www.foxnews.com/video/6353254587112 , no survivor which mean he died Misquerable (talk) 03:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes, this was reported on by CNN and other orgs as well. There's enough confirmation by now to say that he is dead. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:57, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

He died

On many news sources, they say that he has died from the crash Qwrest (talk) 03:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Currently tracking multiple news channels (live) who reportedly say that the death has been confirmed by Iranian TV. Werkwer (talk) 05:20, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Irresponsible conduct by editors here

News reports stating that there are "no signs of life" are not definitive official pronouncements of death. This is WP:SYNTH and WP:OR on a highly sensitive issue. We shouldn't be jumping the gun until there are clear headlines by established, reliable news reports: "Raisi is dead"/ JDiala (talk) 03:34, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I agree. Although Raisi's death is pretty much certain, it's not yet confirmed. The rescue teams are not yet at the crash site. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:36, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Agreed, until they find remains it's too early to update the article. Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:37, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Latest update from Iranian state TV says they're still "looking for signs of life". Johndavies837 (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

If someone went for a walk through a jungle and disappeared for 16 hours and there were "no signs of life", you would have been right. The problem for you is, a helicopter crashed and the wreckage is charcoal and what the news says is "no signs of survivors". شاه عباس (talk) 03:39, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Wreckage is sometimes destroyed in a post-crash fire. Just look at the 2024 Haneda Airport runway collision in which everyone on the Japan Airlines flight escaped before the plane was destroyed in a fire. Again, I don't think Raisi survived it's just not confirmed yet. Johndavies837 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Do we revert the edits because he *technically* has not been pronounced dead? Ccole2006 (talk) 03:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

No, I agree with the editor above that this is much different from the scenario of "walking through a jungle" — the helicopter, which is quite small, has been reported to have crashed into a mountain cliff and subsequently completely burned — I think it's safe to say that any reports of "no signs of life" are almost certainly true. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:46, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Just to play devil's advocate, it's possible they left alive and wandered away from the site and it burned down more completely after they left. Until they find remains it just seems too close to a crystal ball Hollywood43ar (talk) 03:48, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Is "almost certainly true" enough to declare a president dead? Not even the cited source (Al Jazeera) is reporting his death on the front page. Their headline is: "Rescuers find helicopter of Iran president, foreign minister after crash". Johndavies837 (talk) 03:47, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Although a report just came in from CNN (1) that says that "no survivors" were found, and shows footage of the wreckage, which is quite different. By now, there's plenty of evidence to go along with changing the tense and going ahead with other edits. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

State media (written) confirmed his death. شاه عباس (talk) 03:58, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

CNN is reporting "believed to be dead":

"Iran's President Ebrahim Raisi is believed dead after "no survivors" were found at the crash site of the helicopter carrying him, according to Iranian state news channel IRINN and semi-official news agency Mehr News."

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/index.html Pedisaur (talk) 04:08, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The CNN article in question literally refers to him in the past tense. Pedisaur (talk) 03:52, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024 (6)

put his date of death as may 19th 2024 184.189.220.196 (talk) 03:54, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

•  Done already. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:35, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 May 2024 (5)

NonHydranary (talk) 03:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Remove the "Present Day Iran" from his birth data, as it was still Iran in 1960, this language should only be applied to when an area fell under different borders or the state changed its name. This language is not present on any other pages of Iranian politicians.

 Already done Charliehdb (talk) 10:25, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

"no signs of occupants being alive" ≠ dead

OK, he's likely dead, but the "is"-to-"was" thing felt a little hurried. We can wait, no one's going to die if we don't, except maybe Raisi himself. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:21, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I can't with the joke 💀 Misquerable (talk) 04:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Just noticed now there's already a topic about the matter. Sorry for duplicating it. RodRabelo7 (talk) 04:24, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Hurriedly changing "is" to "was" on bios is one of Wikipedia's greatest memes. That was a little premature - given the driving rain & terrain that the rescuers had to battle thru, it's no wonder we didn't have immediate clarity. 2A00:23C4:3E44:2C01:6586:5AAE:9AAC:71F2 (talk) 06:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Helicopter accident

In may 19th 2024 his helicopter had an accident near varzaghan and rescue teams start to search to find him in this search a group of three also lost Amirilkhani (talk) 20:15, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

We've discussed this. See above sections. Sadustu Tau (talk) 20:26, 19 May 2024 (UTC)

Women's rights section doesn't read very neutral

Don't get me wrong, I think the information presented is valid, but the wording "In fact, Iran has one of the world's worst records for human rights, thus Raisi's statements must be taken with extreme caution." after his (apparent) feminist view points comes across as a gotcha moment. I feel like it could be reworded slightly, maybe replacing the 'in fact' with 'Despite these comments' or something along those lines.--Amelia-the-comic-geek (talk) 01:09, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Place of death

Some sources (like these ones https://www.maisoncarne.es/2024/qu-cks/2081947GMsDA2241PDbNS/ ; https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash/index.html) say that the helicopter carrying Ebrahim Raisi crashed near the village of Tavil, not near Julfa as we report. 2A02:B021:F06:8DEE:BBC:AA83:B38:2B11 (talk) 14:56, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Given that Tavil and Jolfa are only around 60 miles apart, it's likely that the crash occurred somewhere between the two. _Dial^mayo 15:02, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

The sources disagree on this matter, but as you say the helicopter crash probably occurred between Tavil and Julfa. 2A02:B021:F06:8DEE:BBC:AA83:B38:2B11 (talk) 15:05, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

2024 Varzaqan helicopter crash has the exact coordinates of the crash. Sadustu Tau (talk) 18:43, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Raisi and violation of human rights in Iran

He has played a huge role in the violation of human rights in Iran and throughout the Middle East. This issue should be mentioned better and with more information in the article. His role in the killing of Iranian women and children is not mentioned too. FreeZoneF (talk) 08:51, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

Came here to say this. Just read that he was responsible for the executions of 5000 political prisoners in 1988 alone, which if I’m reading correctly, was a violation of international law. Viriditas (talk) 11:53, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

You have to provide at least one source that mentions his violation of human rights and, if the comment above is true, the claimed execution of political prisoners. Saying just "add more about x because it should be in the article" without providing sources is not valid. Flemmish Nietzsche (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

@FreeZoneF.Yep, you just gotta show a reliable source of info for this to be a good edit request, then it can be added in. Garef 14:40, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

I’m also surprised we don’t have a single photo of the thousands of public lynchings by cranes that are available. It’s like someone is trying to sanitize Wikipedia. The Iranian regime executed hundreds to thousands just under his presidency alone, something like 40% or more were executed for nonviolent crimes alone. Viriditas (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

You know the difference between 'lynching' and 'hanging'? No? Ahh, ok.

2001:16B8:C711:5800:7096:D117:F1F9:4E5A (talk) 00:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Really? "The Iranian government summarily, extrajudicially, and secretly executed thousands of political prisoners held in Iranian jails in the summer of 1988. According to Human Rights Watch the majority of prisoners had had unfair trials by the revolutionary courts, and in any case had not been sentenced to death." Hope you enjoyed the education. Viriditas (talk) 03:20, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Dating inconsistency

In the 1988 executions section it says "Raisi's involvement in the executions gained publicly in 2016, when Hussein-Ali Montazeri released an audio recording of an August 1988 meeting of the Tehran 'death committee'." Montazeri's article says he died in 2009 so it's hard to see how he could have been releasing recordings or doing very much else at all in 2016. 130.246.57.110 (talk) 12:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)

Repeated sentence in "Death" section

"The United Nations Security Council stood for a minute's silence for Raisi." is said twice in the Death section. Please remove duplicate. Jdftba (talk) 21:09, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

 Done TarnishedPath^talk 04:19, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Nickname inclusion violates the impartiality principle

The inclusion of the nickname "The Butcher of Tehran" in the infobox goes against Wikipedia's stance of political neutrality and impartiality, as it is mostly used by his detractors and is not a universally accepted nickname for Raisi. It should be removed. 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:4F6:9D4B:AD2D:9A5F (talk) 04:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

This amounts to name-calling at best
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
How is it not universally accepted? Am I a detractor if I am opposed to extrajudicial killings that lack due process, fair trials, and an independent judiciary? Sorry, some of us want to live in 2024, not 1024. Viriditas (talk) 05:41, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Raisi was elected, it means he he had supporters. "extrajudicial" is another ideologically charged word: the iranian judiciary is indeed independent, it just isn't secular 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:4F6:9D4B:AD2D:9A5F (talk) 06:14, 21 May 2024 (UTC) The state butchered children of high school age and young adults of college age because they were ideologically left of center, did not embrace forced religion, and supported feminism. If that’s not butchery I don’t know what is. "I am beginning to suspect that whoever is incapable of recognizing this may be incapable of morality." Viriditas (talk) 07:57, 21 May 2024 (UTC) If you think that anyone who is not a leftist is incapable of morality, I suggest you leave this website, because your bias and emotions could jeopardize the quality of the articles of this encyclopedia. I also suggest you learn the difference between butchery (the killing of animals for meat consumption) and the enforcement of death penalty in a legal system. 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:11D7:CEFF:5086:CE6F (talk) 20:02, 21 May 2024 (UTC) I find it extremely strange that your takeaway from what I wrote is "anyone who is not a leftist is incapable of morality". I was referencing the famous quote by James Baldwin which has nothing to do with politics. I'm not surprised you aren't familiar with it, since things like freedom, civil rights, compassion, empathy, and all the rest have no meaning for you. The quote refers to the fact that the 13 year old children that the Butcher of Tehran murdered are the children of the world; human rights don't end at the borders of nation states, the extend everywhere, and some of us like myself believe that they are, in fact, trans-human, and extend to plants and animals and all living things. But that's clearly way too much for you to handle, so I will provide you with the original quote: "The children are always ours, every single one of them, all over the globe; and I am beginning to suspect that whoever is incapable of recognizing this may be incapable of morality." See? Nothing to do with politics, so you appear to be a prisoner of your own preconceptions. If I don't leave this website, will you issue a fatwa against me? I welcome it. I will challenge your nonsense until the day I breathe my last breath. Bring it. Your ignorance of English is obvious. "Butchery" refers to the killing of animals and humans. Surely they have dictionaries in your part of the world? As for your repeated distortions, there was no "enforcement of death penalty in a legal system" in regards to the Butcher of Tehran. This is documented in the article on the subject which I quoted in the above section. You really need to stop with the nonsense, nobody is falling for it. Viriditas (talk) 22:28, 21 May 2024 (UTC) We go by what WP:RS say. In addition to the RS in the article already, in their obituaries, a summation of how RS view the individual's legacy, many RS in international media ([1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], include the Butcher of Tehran moniker. Not including so would not be properly representing RS, which is what Wikipedia is based on . This doesn't take away from Raisi's popularity or suggest that he wasn't popular or elected (it could even be a factor of his popularity). Longhornsg (talk) 15:42, 21 May 2024 (UTC) I only see Western sources applying this nickname to him though. Not Eastern sources. So I suspect there may be some ideological bias. 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:11D7:CEFF:5086:CE6F (talk) 20:04, 21 May 2024 (UTC) Your interpretation of reality is completely and totally backwards. The ideological bias is in the very countries who don't freely and fairly report the butchery of Raisi, which for your education, is defined in English as the "brutal or wanton slaughter of animals or humans". The fact that right-wing, pro-Iran sources fail to report these things is indicative of ideological bias on their end, not ours. Hope this helps! Viriditas (talk) 22:23, 21 May 2024 (UTC) I don't see the Wikipedia article on George Bush calling him a butcher for committing war crimes against millions of Iraqis and Afghans. I don't understand why a judge should get called a butcher for enforcing a death penalty. Wikipedia is not the place to hear your opinions, if you hate Islam that's up to you but don't try to enforce your islamophobic racist white supremacist views on the readers. Hope this helps! 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:11D7:CEFF:5086:CE6F (talk) 23:29, 21 May 2024 (UTC) It looks like you are incapable of dealing with things like data, facts, evidence, history, science, etc. I would like to suggest that Wikipedia is not the place for you, because without a good, solid understanding of the difference between intentionally distorting reality (aka "lying") and reporting facts, you will continue to have trouble here. It may be the case that at a very deep level, you think that there is no difference between lies and facts; this is a common phenomenon. For example, you bring up Bush, and curiously enough, his White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove has a long history of this kind of thing; so you're in good company, and share a lot in common! Strange bedfellows, as we say. This isn't so unusual, actually, considering the fact that American conservatives and the Iranian regime were in bed together in the 1980s, and that the US helped support authoritarian nations who targeted left-wing elements of their population. The examples are many. And, since you bring up religion, there are a lot of commonalities between right-wing, authoritarian theocracies like Iran and the hopes and wishes and plans of right-wing authoritarian conservatives in the US, who have said that they would like America to become a more Christianized version of Iran; if Trump is re-elected, they have plans, like Project 2025, to turn the United States into a theocracy. I notice that you also conveniently changed the subject from the Butcher of Tehran to multiple topics in rapid procession, from war crimes of Bush, to Islam, to Islamophobia, to racism and white supremacy. This is the infamous Gish gallop fallacy often used by creationists. That's an interesting coincidence. For the record, I'm a secular humanist who identifies as an atheist. I believe that people should both have the freedom to practice their religion and be completely free from religion in civil society (strict separation between church and state). This position does not make me an Islamophobe, although some people are rightly afraid of religions who threaten their very survival. In the US we have violent Christian nationalists who represent a similar threat as Islamists do elsewhere. Those who are afraid of religious people trying to kill them doesn't make them an "Islamophobe" or "anti-Christian", so I directly challenge your statement and call it nonsense. Keep your religion to yourself and out of my government. It's that simple. Viriditas (talk) 00:24, 22 May 2024 (UTC) Both @Viriditasand 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:11D7:CEFF:5086:CE6F seems to be taking extreme positions charged with emotions, ideological defence and self-righteousness. This cannot be unproblematically solved. @Viriditas, you have identified as American and seems to lean more quite a lot to the left. Nearly 80% of Americans views Iran unfavourably Ihikky (talk) 08:03, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Both @Viriditas and 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:11D7:CEFF:5086:CE6F seem to be taking extreme positions, charged with emotions, ideological defence, and self-righteousness. Such discussions are complex and cannot be easily resolved.

@Viriditas, you have identified as American and appear to lean significantly to the left. It's important to note that nearly 80% of Americans view Iran unfavorably. and you should consider the impact of in-group bias against Iran.

Yes, Iran needs significant improvements in human rights, and it would be foolish not to recognize the countless voices who have suffered or who seek change. However, we should also acknowledge that Iranian leaders largely want the best for their people, even if there are challenges.

In the interest of fostering a productive and respectful dialogue, I urge both parties to exercise restraint and consider each other's perspectives with an open mind. Let’s aim for a more balanced and constructive conversation.

I believe both of you are taking extreme positions. Describing Raisi as a "butcher" is as exaggerated as those who are embellishing his life and tenure. Ihikky (talk) 08:16, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I just believe an encyclopedia should use a neutral language and calling someone a "butcher" is not a neutral language, especially if you use Israeli news websites as a source as this article does. 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:5C74:771E:9030:6182 (talk) 20:32, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Being neutral means we follow the reliable sources. If a WP:WEIGHT of reliable sources call them a butcher, then it would be taking a non-neutral position to say otherwise. TarnishedPath^talk 04:07, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Israeli and Western sources are not reliable when it comes to Iran. They are biased 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:7136:C0C8:F8ED:5F17 (talk) 04:36, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

You should see how far you get with that proposition at WP:RS/N. I suspect it wouldn't be very far. TarnishedPath^talk 04:40, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Iranian leaders largely want the best for their people. That claim is incompatible with their demonstrated actions, which include butchering children. TarnishedPath^talk 04:05, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

You are from Australia. What would you know about the will of the Iranian people. If Iranian leaders are butcher, why millions of Iranians vote for them and attend their funerals? 2A04:EE41:0:62C8:7136:C0C8:F8ED:5F17 (talk) 04:38, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Trying to make the topic about me really doesn't help your argument. TarnishedPath^talk 04:44, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Ultra conservative according to whom?

According to some jewish-american press he is ultra-conservative, according to the rest of the world he is a muslim

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2022/09/13/a_brief_history_of_the_butcher_of_tehran_579496.html

Ebrahim Raisi started his career in 1981 as the prosecutor of Karaj and Hamadan Provinces. He played a leading role in persecuting minorities, especially the Bahais, and political opponents that left untold numbers dead, tortured, and jailed. 2600:4040:5F0A:5500:CC14:BEFE:BD7B:614B (talk) 22:46, 17 June 2023 (UTC)

Motahari is not a university, it is an Islamic madreseh. Please correct. 2603:8000:107:DFE8:F57E:B1A6:189B:AD3B (talk) 18:31, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, okay, but who gave him this name in the Western press? I don't see any Iranian, Eastern, or Asian articles using this nickname. And in all the Western articles we can read, he is called 'the Butcher of Tehran' because... but called by whom? And when? This nickname seems like propaganda. Tiktak11 (talk) 09:55, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

it look likes, this nickname was gived first by the iranian opposition :

https://www.ncr-iran.org/en/publications/special-reports/iran-who-is-ebrahim-raisi/

that the earliest record of this nickname ... Tiktak11 (talk) 10:11, 20 May 2024 (UTC)

He is part of the Iranian principlists faction, which is described as right wing, or hardliner. It might be better to use internal Iranian terminology, then to cite who interprets this as hardline or conservative. Harizotoh9 (talk) 04:14, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

I believe, after reflection, that the Iranian opposition (accused of terrorism in Iran and who participated in the Iran-Iraq war on the side of Iraq and Saddam Hussein in the 1980s), gave him the nickname 'Butcher of Tehran' because of the repression/struggle/war against the People's Mujahedin. Apparently, the only reference we find dates back to 2020 in a document by the NCR, composed of the People's Mujahedin organization. I don't know if it's correct to leave this on the page - 'Butcher of Tehran' - as it is clearly either an invented name in the context of propaganda following his election, or a nickname given by the People's Mujahedin (on the European Union's list of terrorist organizations until 2009). Tiktak11 (talk) 08:34, 24 May 2024 (UTC)

Judicial career

Why was this reverted? Obviosuly Raisi's judicial career before the 1988 executions is relevant in explaining how he became the prosecutor in Tehran. It is also relevant from a chronological perspective. VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 16:26, 29 May 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 May 2024

Add this according to your preference and modification into his "Death" section

Raisi had died in a helicopter crash on 19 May, 2024 around 10:00 GMT. He was flying in an Bell 212 when about 30 minutes into the flight, officials lost contact with the aircraft. At about 1:30 GMT, rescuers spotted the wreckage from a distance from about 2 kilometers (1.2 miles) from the city of Varzaqan and then took about an hour to reach it. At the crash site, there were no signs of life, including the president's. Ayatollah Mohammad Ali Al-e Hashem, Ali Khamenei's representative in East Azerbaijan was actually alive for about an hour after the crash in which he made contact with the president's head of office before he died at about 11:00 GMT. There is no current known cause for the crash, except for maneuvering difficulties in heavy fog. Currently, there is no known successor to the president, but Mohammad Mokhber has been declared the current acting president of Iran. Although, Mokhber can only be the acting president for a maximum time period of 3 months before a new permanent replacement has to be nominated and approved by the Iranian Parliament.

Sources: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4nnd23d505o , https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/ebrahim-raisi-iran-president-helicopter-crash-live-updates-wreckage-of-iran-presidents-crashed-helicopter-found-5702084 Dynamicontributer (talk) 08:54, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

 Already done ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:00, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

It's also worth noting that details aren't usually put in there sections as they are provided on the mentioned article. Anyways, declined. ABG (Talk/Report any mistakes here) 11:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)

Women's Rights section

That subsection in the Views section seems terribly unbalanced. It's just a few nice things he said about women. Surely his policy decisions, and reception of his influence on women's rights in Iran, should take up more space? Would anyone oppose me tagging that subsection as unbalanced or non-neutral in the meantime? Zanahary (talk) 21:41, 31 May 2024 (UTC)