Talk:Eberhard Zeidler

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2022 (UTC)

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Toronto Eaton Centre

• ... that Eberhard Zeidler envisaged Toronto Eaton Centre (pictured), which opened 45 years ago today, to be an "interior street" instead of being simply a shopping mall? Source: CTV News (Canadian Press)
  • Reviewed: 1940 NCAA Basketball Championship Game
  • Comment: Please save for February 10, the 45th anniversary of the opening of Toronto Eaton Centre.

5x expanded by Bloom6132 (talk). Self-nominated at 02:40, 12 January 2022 (UTC).

There are two problems:

• The citation given for the hook is okay, but not in the article itself. The wrong URL seems to have been used for reference 4 - it is the same as reference 1, so it does not match the description.
• Large slabs of text have been copied from the source at www.metalocus.es/en/news/ryerson-university-student-learning-centre-snohetta-zeidler, which is a serious copyright violation and must be fixed or removed immediately. For example, the following is identical in the article to the source:

"Zeidler first joined an architectural firm with Blackwell and Craig in Peterborough, Ontario. He later relocated to Toronto in 1963 and worked for the firm became Craig, Zeidler and Strong until 1975. One of the essential elements of his early works is his employment of striking interior atrium space, which became widespread on an international level during the 1970s. Moreover, his experience in the Bauhaus school made him familiar with the technological matters in building design. These included structural and mechanical services (most notably, exposed air-handling ducts), as well as aspects that ease movement and communication. This was exemplified in the McMaster University Health Science Centre, his breakthrough project, which was meant to resemble a large construction set for children. The building utilized regular geometric building modules, coupled with glazed service and circulation towers, internally exposed steel trusses, ducts, and an automated materials delivery system. Most of Zeidler's structures were public buildings."

Apart from that:

• Article is new enough (5x expanded on 8 January, nominated on 12 January), long enough (4429 characters/ 723 words readable prose size), is neutrally worded, has adequate inline citations (except for the problem noted).
• The hook is correctly formatted, suitable length, inoffensive, and agrees with the source.Gronk Oz (talk) 08:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Gronk Oz: I submit that it was metalocus.es that copied off Wikipedia (not the other way around). I had never come across that website until now. When making this edit, I based the info off Zeidler's Canadian Encyclopedia entry (ref 1). Lastly, I've fixed the URL for ref 4. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)
• @BlueMoonset, Maile66, and Valereee: is there any way for me to prove that I did not copy off metalocus.es, and that it was instead they that copied off Wikipedia? I haven't had any copyvio issues in my 10 years of nominating DYKs, so this comes as quite a surprise. —Bloom6132 (talk) 08:54, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• I am sorry to give you such a surprise. There are also very large sections that are identical to insideeko.com/eberhard-zeidler-death-german-canadian-architect-has-passed-away-aged-95/, which may also be a question of copying Wikipedia. I do not know how to resolve that - perhaps the editors you pinged before can help. I will also ask at the Help Desk.Gronk Oz (talk) 09:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Gronk Oz: not surprised by that because I checked Earlwig's after your first comment. That one is easier to refute – their article is dated January 12, 2022. The first major edits I made to the article was on January 11 (UTC). —Bloom6132 (talk) 09:28, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Bloom6132: I am not familiar with "earwig" - is that something that can sort out the problem for us? I would like to put this to bed quickly.Gronk Oz (talk) 09:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

• @Bloom6132: After a bit of research, I have been able to find that the metalocus site was last updated on 2022-01-11T11:07Z. So I am happy to combine that with AGF and approve the DYK. Oh, I also verified the change to Reference 4 is right now.

• Thanks very much for delving into that, Gronk Oz! Earwig is the Copyvio Detector in the DYK toolbox (on the top right panel of DYK noms). Cheers! —Bloom6132 (talk) 10:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

- All good.Gronk Oz (talk) 10:04, 14 January 2022 (UTC)