Talk:Duchcov Chateau
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Why is the French term Chateau used on the English page? The building is known in English as Duchcov Castle --Stephencdickson (talk) 21:18, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 29 June 2023 edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:58, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
Duchcov Chateau → Duchcov Castle – As User:Stephencdickson already pointed this out seven years ago, the current name uses wrong term; this is not a French château and therefore the title should not introduce a misleading term. The official website also uses the term 'castle'. When comparing the occurrence of the term on books.google.cz, it is evident that the term "Duchcov Chateau" occurs mainly in Czech authors, while in others "Duchcov Castle" prevails. The frequent occurrence of the incorrect term in English-language Czech sources is due to the attempt to distinguish between the Czech terms hrad and zámek, which should be identically translated into English as 'castle'. FromCzech (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose - Dushcov Chateau is a well-established name. What is incorrect is not the term but rather to say that it is wrong and misleading because it is not a French chateau. "Château - a stately residence, imitating a distinctively French castle; a country estate, especially a fine one, in France and elsewhere on the Continent" (Webster's Encyclopedic Unabridged Dictionary of the English Language, (1989))--Lubiesque (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- And does this castle imitate distinctively a French château? Do you have any basis for that statement? First definitions that google gives me (and more or less Duchcov does not fall into them):
- Cambridge Dictionary: a large house or castle in France.
- Merriam-Webster: 1. a feudal castle or fortress in France; 2. a large country house; 3. a French vineyard estate.
- Dictionary.com: 1. (in France) a castle or fortress.; 2. a stately residence imitating a distinctively French castle.
- Collins Dictionary: A château is a large country house or castle in France.
- FromCzech (talk) 14:24, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- And does this castle imitate distinctively a French château? Do you have any basis for that statement? First definitions that google gives me (and more or less Duchcov does not fall into them):
- I'm not going to get into an endless argument with you on this. This is a requested move template and people say if they are in favor or oppose and why and that's the end of it. I'm quite ready to go along with a Duchcov Castle choice if it comes to that because I don't feel as passionately about this minor issue as you seem to do--Lubiesque (talk) 15:18, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose. List of castles in the Czech Republic categorizes (and has long categorized) all of the listed buildings each as either a "castle" ~ cs:Hrad or "chateau" ~ cs:Zámek (stavba). As such, the current style is WP:CONSISTENT. Accordingly, this move should not take place without a wider discussion about this terminology, preferably at List of castles in the Czech Republic or similar. While in English the word "chateau" usually (but not always) refers to French or French-style manors, "castle" also doesn't usually refer to manors. {{replyto|SilverLocust}} (talk) 08:50, 7 July 2023 (UTC)