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Her name is not Albanian

Last I checked, Dua is Arabic, not Albanian. It means Prayer to god. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 17:08, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Due to JAWS, my screen-reader not recognizing your little captcha system for human verification, the source is linked in the edit summary, since I know you won't allow me to use people I know named Dua from Malta and Albania as a source. see the edit summary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.101.61.254 (talk) 17:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I investigated and already corrected the detail. Thanks. Alexismata7 (talk) 17:36, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Her name is indeed Albanian and 'dua' means 'to love' in Albanian. Nothing needs to be changed. — Tom^(T2ME) 17:38, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tomica: in Albanian, love is "dashuria", not "Dua". She has said that is the meaning of her name but it is not, it would be something like "according to the artist, her name means this", but not to state it as a fact. Alexismata7 (talk) 17:43, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore, she has clearly referred to the word "love" and not "to love", which are two different things. [1] Alexismata7 (talk) 17:52, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Exactly, "dashuria" means love, "dua" means "to love". Te dua means I love you. I do have limited Albanian-language knowledge, but I am pretty sure I know this. Whatever she said, saying that her name is Arabic 1) not source available, 2) incorrect. Simple as that. — Tom^(T2ME) 18:04, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Tomica Indeed, its name is of Arab origin. What happens is that it has different meanings in various languages. "Dua" mainly means "to want" if you translate the name from Albanian to English (that's what the Google translator says). Her name is a Arabic female given name and exists sources [2] [3] [4] The name "Dua" derives from the Arabic word which means "Prayer" [5] What happens here is that she was born with an Arab name from Albanian parents and there is a good chance that there are sources that credit the origin of the name to Albania, because since she is famous and born with that name, people can credit the origin to Albania simply by the origin of her parents. Most people did not know that name before it because it is obviously not common. Alexismata7 (talk) 20:27, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Same words can have different roots. Albanian language is an Indo-European language, while Arabic is a Semitic language. There's a huge possibility that the word 'dua' has different roots, hence the different meaning in the respective languages. Dua has an Albanian ancestry, her parents gave her the name 'Dua', which in Albanian means 'to like/want or 'to love'. Your argument is based on a pure WP:OR since there are reliable sources confirming what's already in the article. — Tom^(T2ME) 20:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Tomica That is correct, her parents gave her that name because it means that words, but the origin of the name is Arabic and I just showed you with references, there is no source that expresses that Dua is a name of Albanian origin, except the sources who repeat what Dua says or sources who believe the name is of Albanian origin only because Dua Lipa (a singer of Albanian origin) is called Dua. We have to change that part of Lipa's article because it is interpreted that the encyclopedia is saying (from its references) that the name really means "love" in Albanian but it is not. To get rid of the debate, I think we should put something like "according to the artist her name means love in Albanian". Or we could quote users of the Wikiproject to see what they think, but that part of the article is affirming something incorrect. We shouldn't leave that information there because any reader can come and read and misinforming himself about the real meaning of the name in Albanian just because the singer says that's what the name means. Alexismata7 (talk) 21:17, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Open a discussion about whatever and wherever you think, but what are you doing right now is pure WP:OR. Dua is an Albanian name and means what she said in that interview (the cited source on Wikipedia). And you seem to completely ignore what I wrote in my previous comment, that the words are probably unrelated. And even if they were related, DUA means love in Albanian and she is Albanian, not Arabic. No need to put "According to the artist...". I can't believe you made a huge fuss and you were ready to change something that's sourced on a simple comment made by an IP. — Tom^(T2ME) 22:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

First of all, you must understand that any user (new or old) can be right or wrong. To devalue a person's opinions just because they are not registered and only take into account the arguments of former users would be discrimination. We are human beings and we can all be wrong and right. I am discussing this because the references that I showed you refute what the presenter says in the interview with Lipa where she asks about the supposed meaning of her name. Lipa or a presenter can say what they want, their statements do not give a verdict on the meaning of something, they are not a dictionary or a world library. I already showed you that the name is of Arabic origin and that the same name also has its own meaning in Albanian. The fact that Lipa has adopted a name for Albanian parents does not automatically make her name of Albanian origin. Therefore, that reference contains wrong information, "Dua" does not literally mean that in Albanian, "love" is "dashuria", and I am not an expert in the subject either but I am getting carried away by the main definition of the word "love" in Albanian, which is "dashuria". But it is that I cannot assure you if the words are related or not, there I can tell you that there are no sources to determine it. What I can tell you is that there are sources that affirm that Dua is of Arab origin and has meanings in different languages, "love" in English and "dashuria" in Albanian. There is no evidence that there is a "Dua1" and "Dua2", Arabic and Albanian respectively. And I ask you to look for references to see if I am wrong, I want to know, something new is learned every day. Also, she is not Albanian, she was born on England and she spent the first ten years of her life there... She will be able to share the culture of Albania because she imitated it from her parents but she was born in England and nowhere in the article does it say that she is Albanian as you are claiming. Alexismata7 (talk) 23:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Stop trying to portray me as the bully. I am not discriminating against Wikipedia users. That IP didn't provide any third-party source in which Lipa claims her name is Arabic. What you found is, that Dua is also used as an Arabic name, however, it doesn't mean in this case IS ARABIC. Isn't this enough for you "Lipa was born on 22 August 1995 in Westminster, London, to Albanian parents who had left Pristina (in present-day Kosovo)[a] in 1992.[2]"? Literally the first sentence of the first section paragraph! She was born in England, but her roots are Albanian. Her parents were born in Kosovo, in Albanian families, they shared their culture with her as she was growing up. You are wrong, cause you found some reference that's totally unrelated to Dua, as opposed to her interview, where she says what her name means in Albanian. She doesn't even say whether it's Albanian or not. So stop with this ridiculousness already. — Tom^(T2ME) 23:39, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

I did give sources in the edit summary of one of my comments here. Due to the limitations of my screen-reader, I cannot solve the human verification captcha, which is visual, and is a 2007 captcha with on audio options. As a result, I am limited to what I can and can't do. Look at one of my edit summaries here, and you'll see that I provide links in them, that's the best I can do until Wikipedia catches up and uses an accessible human verification system. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 23:51, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Also aren't Lipa's parents Muslims? Often times muslims give names to their kids based on the Quran, hence why names like Hamza and yes, Dua are common for the children of muslims. Many Albanians are islamic after all. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 00:02, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tomica: I'm not trying to portray you as the bully, I'm just criticizing the discriminatory act you took. To mention that I am carried away by what an IP wrote is to devalue the opinion or the help that an unidentified person is providing to correct a possible error, therefore, I recommend that when reading an opinion, cover with your hand the name of the person writing the texts so you can give an answer without judging if that person is registered or not, or if he or she has little or a lot of time here. Personally, I value the opinions of whoever. Lipa can say what she wants, but she doesn't study anthroponymy. I am going to contact experienced users of the Arabic and Albanian Wikipedia to give a solution to this. Alexismata7 (talk) 00:26, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

199.101.61.254 There are no reliable sources that say that. I already contacted a person who collaborates in Wiktionary, I told him to leave his message here. We will see what he is going to say to clear the doubt. Alexismata7 (talk) 00:56, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Alright thanks. agin, apologies for not posting in-line citations due to limitations caused by JAWS (my screen-reader) vs. the captcha. thanks. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Oh, excuse me, I didn't know you two were experts in anthroponymy. My bad. We are not changing anything until you find a third-party source of Dua herself saying her name is Arabic. Finding a book with names is not enough to change information. She hasn't even said her name is Albanian, but that it means 'love' in Albanian, which is TRUE! Fullstop. And we don't know for sure whether she is Muslim, Albanians can also be Catholic and Orthodox as well. — Tom^(T2ME) 10:01, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

Why does it have ot be Dua herself saying tha ther name is Arabic? What, because her name is Dua? Then I guess I can say that my name Aden is a Malaysian name just because I'm of Malay descent. Why does it have ot be Dua herself saying "My name is an Arabic name" vs. a reliable source that gives the name as meaning prayer in Arabic? You are devaluing the other sources just because they haven't come from an English girl's mouth. Alexis gave a few sources, I linked a few in the edit summary, and they aren't good enough just because they aren't coming from the sacred texts of the book of Dua Lipa. 199.101.61.254 (talk) 10:58, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Tomica: This type of foolish behavior on your part can surely scare users, any new user who argues with you will be disappointed because it seems that one has to ask you about a "yes" and "no" of you but that will be not the case with me. Locate yourself in time and space, this is a project for everyone and nobody owns anything. No there is no full point, you are not the judge of anything, this is not the article of Rihanna and its derivatives. I inform you that your editing summaries saying "No" have no effect, I do not open a discussion to ask for your approval, but to prove the reason with arguments. Dua doesn't need to declare the origin of her name and that's why I told you that anthroponymy is in charge of that. Be clear that you will not handle things under your control as you did in the past with other users, do not make a mistake with me. Here it is discussed, if you insist on avoiding the references that I provide it is your problem. No one studies anything here, but the only person who has not given any references is you, so we are going wrong there. "Dua" means "love" in Albanian? Well show me a translation of the word "love", prove what you says and do not impose your opinion as you have done before. Alexismata7 (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

So, you have not proven that the name "Dua" means "love", nor have you proven that the name "Dua" is of Albanian origin ... So what is this all about? opinions? I am truly willing to admit that I am wrong if you prove it. While, I must listen to what the references says and not a presenter. [6] Alexismata7 (talk) 16:09, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

@Alexismata7: Can we use Dua herself as a source for this? I've looked around on the internet and can't find anything outside the interview, hence why I do question its reliability, at least in terms of where the name itself comes from. And just to be clear to othe rusers who may be browsing this, I am not emplying that Dua herself isn't of Albanian ancestry, but rathe rjust that the name Dua itself is Arabic, not Albanian, based on several sources that list Dua as an Arabic name. Even if we don't include the fact that Dua is an Arabic name in th earticle, should we really include the part of the interview where Dua mentions that her name means "Love" in Albanian in the article text? While it does not directly say "The name Dua is an Albanian name, " it does emply it by stating that the name means love in Albanian. So again to outsiders, I'm not question nationality or anything like that, I'm questioning a fact about language, as stated on the Wikipedia article. Aden Singh 45 (talk) 22:48, 6 June 2020 (UTC)

That is exactly what I said, we cannot use the statements of Dua Lipa or a presenter of a clothing brand as sources about the origin or meaning of the name. If you translate the word "love" into Albanian it means "dashuria" and not "Dua". We cannot state in the article that this is the meaning just because the interviewer says it or because Lipa says it. I repeat it, Lipa or the presenter can say what they want but they do not study anthroponymy nor are they a library. And that's when I say that it should be stated that according to Lipa her own name means "love" in Albanian because when you translate that ... Clearly "love" in Albanian is "dashuria" and shouldn't be placed as if Wikipedia were "saying" it.

I have found two sources:

• In an interview that Tom Lamont did to Lipa for The Guardian, he writes that the name means "love" in Albanian. [7]

• In an interview that Patrizia Pepe did to Lipa for her own brand called Patrizia Pepe, she says: "I discovered that your name means 'love' in Albanian". [8]

There is no record name that the name "Dua" is of Albanian origin, only the word but not the name, Lipa referred to the name (which is spelled the same as the word) means "love" in Albanian in the interview.

"Dua" can be used in different ways in the Albanian language and not exactly to mean "love". [9]

Well, Lipa's parents did not know that the name is of Arab origin. And if people believe that the name is Albanian only because is her, that is not a matter of Wikipedia. Alexismata7 (talk) 02:15, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

@Alexismata7: Well then that's what I've been saying all along. I couldn't find sources, and last I checked, the name is Arabic. That's basically what I've been trying to say here this whole time. I also just wanted to clarify for the user @Tomica: who is also in this. Aden Singh 45 (talk) 03:55, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

Dua is an Albanian verb which means "I want you". It is sometimes used as a name despite it being a verb.--Maleschreiber (talk) 11:23, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

Note: this discussion was started by a long-term highly problematic user. I removed it accordingly, but my removal was partially reverted ... I think it's better to have a full discussion, if we're going to have one at all, so I've put the whole thing back. Aden Singh 45 is just another sockpuppet of this person. Graham87 07:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2021

Dua Lipa is Albanian-English not just English. QuantumDune (talk) 16:24, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Terasail^[✉] 16:56, 25 January 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2021

"She claimed that she espoused her feminist" Could this be "stated" instead of "claimed"? claimed implies dubiety. Respectfully, 98.35.13.170 (talk) 14:31, 16 February 2021 (UTC)

 Done. The word "stated" has more sense to affirms. -- Alexismata7 (talk) 15:05, 16 February 2021

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021

I think "ethnic Albanian" should be changed to "Albanian" to avoid entering in the ethnic vs national debate. 77.109.116.198 (talk) 19:54, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 00:52, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 February 2021

Since 14 June 2019, she has been dating Anwar Hadid,

The link to Anwar Hadid's wiki page is incorrect -- she is not dating a 72 year old! 96.242.54.59 (talk) 18:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

 Already done - wikilink removed in this edit. Thanks! DanCherek (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021

In the section "Activism and Advocacy", change 'She pointed out the importance of the Me Too movement, claiming that even though she never suffered sexual harassment in her life, she grew up experimenting with "kiss chase"' to 'She pointed out the importance of the Me Too movement, stating that even though she never suffered sexual harassment in her life, she grew up with "kiss chase" and "boys will be boys"'

The relevant sentence from the linked source () is a quote from her saying "But I think [#MeToo] is so important. You know, even from school, growing up with kiss chase or whatever, it’s been ingrained in our heads that boys will be boys and its harmless fun and no big deal and to brush things off". The edit better reflects the content of the quote, where she is stating that kiss chase is an example of the ingrained culture that #MeToo is critical to changing. It also adds a wiki link to give context about kiss chase. Kaphela (talk) 01:15, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Done. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (Say hi!) 07:39, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 15 April 2021 (2)

In 2021 Dua voiced her support for Sadiq Khan ahead of the 2021 London Mayoral election. 2A02:C7F:F2A1:AE00:A12C:2A7:9B7E:4A42 (talk) 14:18, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Please find a secondary source for this. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:23, 15 April 2021 (UTC)

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