Talk:Diegetic music

"Unreferenced section" and "Original research" templates

I have added the "Unreferenced section" and "Original research" templates to the "Musical theatre" section of the article. In the absence of any references, this section reads like it may be original research by someone familiar with the topic. The paragraph on Show Boat is inaccurate, in any case, since the 1936 film contains at least three other diegetic songs: Magnolia's performance of "Gallivantin' Aroun'" in blackface on the show boat, Kim practicing "An Old-Fashioned Wife", and Kim's performance of "Gallivantin' Aroun'" on Broadway. (I'm also not sure it's possible to tell whether "Ol' Man River" is diegetic or non-diegetic in any version of Show Boat.) Gildir (talk) 15:06, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

TV-Series Scrubs

Scrubs used several occasions to cleverly play with shifts between diegetic and non-diegetic music. For example breaking the fourth wall when main character JD (John Dorian, played by Zach Braff) references a soundeffect or, at another time, a short jingle used in the underscore, of which he could impossibly be aware of, and then having to explain that this was what he imagines to happen in moments like this. But perhaps the most elaborate example is in S06E06 "My Musical" where the boundaries are broken by the story of a patient who, after passing out due to a medical condition, suddenly hears every spoken word (including her own) as singing. In the course of events all conversations she has, or listens to, present themselves as musical numbers. While those numbers also contain music, this might be supposed to be non-diegetic while the lyrics are diegetic, since the patients hallucination is limited to transforming speech into singing and also is exclusively referenced as such. ("Why is everbody singing?", "Do you still hear me singing?" etc.) Another noteworthy example is S02E01 "My Overkill" featuring singer-songwriter Colin Hay performing an acoustic version of the song "Overkill". It is key here, to know that JD is prone to daydreaming, during which he often vividly imagines an alternate reality. In this episode he first really passes by a street musician (Colin Hay) who actually performs the song "Overkill". After this diegetic use the song becomes a recurring tune that seamlessly shifts between being diegetic and non-diegetic as it is heard as an underscore for a scene but, in the next moment, it is reavealed that JD imagines the musician being part of the scene performing the song. The last instance of the song being performed on-screen after once more shifting from non-diegetic use, eventually turns out to have taken place in JD's imagination,too. Confirming that, after the first occasion, all other performances were imaginary. Which also explain's why JD's boss and some co-workers could also see the musician. 2003:CA:3F1D:70AC:E534:525E:1A5D:78FF (talk) 18:58, 8 September 2022 (UTC)