Talk:Decommunization/Archive 1

Archive 1

Acts of decommunization

Does opening of CP archives fall under Acts of decommunization? It is often mentioned in this connection and is probably the most interesting part of the story, but I am not sure. Colchicum 20:14, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

You must have a reputable source that says so. `'Míkka 01:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

And trials of perpetrators of communist crimes? Colchicum 20:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

You must have a reputable source that says so. `'Míkka 01:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Should the infobox {{Communism}} be included? Colchicum 20:41, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

This article is in category:Anti-communism. `'Míkka 01:01, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Biased stub

After user:Colchicum wrote Decommunization in Russia, I wanted to bring to common attention politologists noticed that decommunization sizzled almost everywhere. I started the decommunization article for this purpose only. I am not en expert here and I am not sure I am willing to add more meat there and I apologize that my stub looks heavily tilted. There is plenty of material to fill the general article, but I would like to ask you to keep the general article general and not turn it into a collection of trivia. `'Míkka 19:21, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Did any countries actually ban the communist party? As far as I know, most countries in Eastern Europe didn't, nor did any of the Baltic states - although in last Estonian elections, the party got less votes then it has members. -- Sander Säde 03:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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"Deaths attributed to decommunization"

There is a serious issue with this section which claims that "decommunization caused a dramatic decrease in life expectancy in former communist states, especially in Russia." In Russia this was true, but in countries like Poland, Hungary and the Czech Republic the life expectancy began dramatically increasing after the fall of Communism at a faster rate that it had been before 1989 (after a minor short-term decrease in some cases). This pattern can be seen here [1] and here [2]. The LA Times article citing 3 million deaths as a result of the policy refers only to Russia with this statistic and not to any other former Communist states. I recommend a major revision if not a removal of that section. ImperatorPublius (talk) 15:26, 2 July 2020 (UTC)

Hello,ImperatorPublius. I believe you to be making a valid point. Can you find a reliable source - that is, a third party source - supporting what you conjecture (or that which demonstrates that this is not your own fabrication created of original research emanating of your own mind). There must be reliable sources postulating the same (and they don't need to be in English). Cheers for your good work, and keep at it! Iryna Harpy (talk) 06:50, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

I have found this Guardian article describing exactly what I mentioned with regard to the former East European satellites. "In 1990, the average Hungarian, Latvian or Romanian did not live to see their 70th birthday, and life expectancy in other east European countries was not much better. Since then, longevity has surged as much as 10% in some parts of the region, and east Europeans are now more likely to be nearer 80 than 70 when they die." ImperatorPublius (talk) 14:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

And even in Russia, one should ask why exactly the life expectancy was decreased. Is it because of decommunization or due to the poverty, rise of organized crime and other factors? None of these sources seem to conduct such analysis. The correlation does not mean causation. Worse, one can argue there was no any actual decommunization in Russia because there was no lustration. Hence maybe it was the lack of lustration which led to the higher mortality? My very best wishes (talk) 21:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Updated since 1996

See Decommunization in Ukraine etc. Zezen (talk) 12:00, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Photos are better on WP PL

https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekomunizacja

Let us replace them here. Zezen (talk) 13:13, 12 September 2020 (UTC)