Talk:Cyberathlete Professional League

Cleaning up?

I don't see why this article needs to be "cleaned up". I personally think it's neatly set out, but I guess it probably needs more information. RadioActive, can you clarify what you want done to the article to make it better rather than just whacking the cleanup tag without any reasoning?

- y0ttabyte 16:16, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

This article DEFINITELY needs some more info. All it gives is a brief overview and then some stats that are useless for anyone unfamiliar with the topic. We need an explanation of the league's organization, why they have female and male divisions for Quake (unless there's something with those games I'm missing), and instances of recognition by the media would be great.

Ok thanks for the clarification. I might be able to add some information to the topic soon.

- y0ttabyte 16:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Be sure to watch the list of winners -- there were many incorrect entries featuring 'swatMK -- Juho Leigh' -- The Cyberathlete Amateur League page also has the same incorrect entries -- I fixed what I could, but all results should be checked.

--mike

Thanks, Mike. Is suspect that the winner lists will get removed from here as the article expands as they become less useful and yet pronbe to vandalism. Juho Leigh obviously has a serious need for attention. It's sad. --Habap 15:10, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd suggest splitting the winners list off to a separate article and just keeping the other content here.

Extra Sources?

I think this article could benfit from extra sources. Some independant news articles would go a long to improving the overall quality of the article per WP:N. I'm sure that an organisation that's been going for this long and that has reached such a seemingly large scale should have plenty of media coverage in some form or another? The Kinslayer 16:27, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

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WP:NOT#BLOG

Am I the only one who thinks this entire page has just a blog/advertisement to tell us all who the winners were last year instead of putting it on a website? ZBrannigan 22:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. As with the other wiki articles by this group, it seems as if there's little information and mostly advertisement/promotion. In addition, it appears much of this article is out of date (most of these sponsors are not sponsoring anymore). I guess the 15 minute window is up. Troymaclure 22:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

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Not too Clear

For someone who has not come across CPL, this page is puzzling - are the games only First person shooter? Is there only one game per CPL? Is there only one prize, how is the championship related to the individual event(s)? How many events are there? Are there multiple disciplines? Betaben (talk) 09:47, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Well the CPL is effectively dead right now. When it started it originally used just Quake 3 but eventually grew to be separate 1v1 first person shooters (Quake, Unreal Tournament 2004, Painkiller) and Counter-Strike competitions. 75.101.30.231 (talk) 09:10, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Recent edits

Just an explanation of my recent edits:

"founded in June 1997 by gaming entrepreneur Angel Munoz, is a pioneering"

changed to

"founded in June 1997<ref>http://multiplay.lowyat.net/2008/09/15/cpl-to-return-this-month/</ref>"

I didn't see any reason to mention the founder (he's not mentioned anywhere else), so I just added a reference to confirm it was founded in 1997. I removed "pioneering" as it is a point of view (and perhaps peacock) word.

", and hosts a variety of teams and players widely regarded as the best in their respective games."

removed - this sentence was unverifiable - widely regarded by who? How are they known to be the best? Surely better players exist? Those're the edits. Thanks! Fin©™ 16:20, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

The founder should probably be mentioned (no reason not to, and Angel Munoz is a redirect). The other words and phrases removed are probably not objective or specific enough to be verifiable, although if they are quotes from notable or reputable sources, maybe that could be mentioned in the article. snigbrook (talk) 19:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Fair point, I hadn't considered the redirect, I'll add his name back. Thanks! Fin©™ 21:06, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

I just completed an online search and found the following: "The CPL is widely considered as the pioneer league and event for eSports and many believe that without Angel Munoz and the CPL, there would be no eSports." [1] and "Cyberathlete Professional League, a pioneer in video game tournaments" [2] and found numerous other mentions. It seems that stating that CPL was a pioneering organization is widely accepted and relevant to this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.49.150 (talk) 23:19, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Don't know if those sources are reliable, but fair enough. Thanks! Fin©™ 10:52, 23 March 2010 (UTC)

I believe the sources are reliable and there are many other sources online all designating the CPL as "the pioneer." Also as the search term "Angel Munoz" redirects to this page I think it is a fair to include a link to his web bio or stop the redirect and create a page for the founder. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.119.62.44 (talk) 14:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

My Recent Edit

Your "recent edit" while somewhat acceptable needed strong reviews to maintain the Wikipedia standards for proof. Here's the statement as revised:

On April 1st, 2010, a former CGS employee Tonya Welch, released alleged information about a "fraud scheme," in which the new owners of the CPL had made fictitious statements to the general public, and to the previous owners of the CPL. She claims that the investors were not from Abu Dhabi, but that the purchase was conducted by a small group of USA investors, although the identity of one of the investors was not revealed in her statement. The purchasing group was allegedly led by Scott Valencia, another former CGS employee.

There's no evidence of widespread anger (which is an opinion) or pending lawsuits (as non have been filed).

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Given to light the information provided at http://www.complexitygaming.com/index.php?c=news&id=1704, I have created a new section entitled "2010 Fraud Leak". The article is as follows:

As of new surfaced information, I have created a new section as follows:

In April of 2010, a former CGS Employee and TheCPL partner, Tonya Welch, released information about a very elaborate fraud scheme, in which the "new owners" of TheCPL had been making up a bunch of lies about the "New CPL". She says that there are actually no investors from Abu Dhabi, United Arab Emirates, but it was all of her team's doing. The team has, and is, led by Mr. Scott Valencia, another former CGS Employee. She goes on to say about their whole story, from fooling the worldwide professional gaming community, to lying about their money status and other unethical information. This leak of information has caused widespread anger at Mr. Valencia and the partners. It is also noted that Mr. Valencia had signed a "No-Compete" form when he was laid off from his former employer, CGS Entertainment; a lawsuit may be expected to follow.

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