Talk:Crown land

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I seem to recall there being a distinction between "crown lands" (which are basically any public lands in the UK) and the Crown Estate. Ought this be made clear? john k 16:31, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yes, this article is a bit of an oddity. In particular it seems to confuse the Crown Estate, which is land controlled by the Crown Estate Commissioneres, and land owned by the crown (whether in fee or in demesne) that they have chosen not to administer (which is not Crown Estate). Moreover, I am at a loss as to what the reference to an entailment at the start of the article is. Crown Estate is, as far as I know, a specifically England and Wales concept, and here the Crown can alienate (by selling a fee or granting a new fee) any part of its land. Francis Davey 21:13, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

The mention of the crown lands in other countries, particularly Australia, is not correct. In those cases the 'crown land' is vested in the Crown of the state or national governments, and the have indeed been disputes as to which Crown holds particular land, most notably the 1930's dispute between the NSW and Australian governments over which owned Admiralty House, Sydney. In that case the High Court of Australia ruled that ownership was vested in His Majesty George V, his heirs and successors in the right of the State of New South Wales.

The Crown Lands Act 1976 is Tasmanian state legislation only and does not apply across Australia.

There is a rather misleading statement in the article ie- ' In the Dominions of the Commonwealth ".....

Shouldnt that read - 'In the Dominions of the British Empire '......as the Commonwealth is not a legal entity it cannot have Dominions . The Dominions were autonomous regions of the British Nation .A more acurate term would be - 'In the Sovereign Nations which evolved from the British Dominions the.... ( Jon Lee 28 Aug 05 ) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 210.10.180.54 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 28 August 2005 (UTC).

I was coming here to raise the same point about "Crown Land(s)" Crown Land means land owned by the Government. Likewise if the Government seizes a property it to can be referred to as "Crown Land" In Barbados there are signs on the Beach stating that it is "Crown Land". It would be ludicrous to say the Monarch owns the Beach... There is actual land in Barbados owned by the Monarchy/Royal family though, but I forget the name of the plantation.CaribDigita (talk) 20:35, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Crown Land means "Government property". Found a source: HERE Note the bottom of page 1. According to the duties of this Government position that is open by the Barbados Government... The person will have as part of their duties... "Assumes responsibility for matters concerning the insurance of Government Properties (Crown lands) and other properties in which Government has an interest. CaribDigita (talk) 19:57, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Queen in Right of Canada

The wording of Crown land#Canada currently says, "Within Canada, Crown Land is a designated area belonging to the Queen in Right of Canada." In fact that only applies to federal crown land, there is also provincial crown land. Although the sources are dead links, the first one is called "Federal Crown Land", which implies that there are other types of crwon land in Canada. The wording is a bit stilted. The only live link for the section says, "Crown land is the term used to describe land owned by the federal or provincial governments. Authority for control of these public lands rests with the Crown, hence their name."[1]

I changed the wording saying, "crown land can be held by the queen in right of a province too", but another editor reverted saying, "the first provincial section makes that fact clear."[2] But I see no reason to keep a false statement just because it is corrected in another section, and will revert.

TFD (talk) 21:01, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

You made no such edit. What you changed it to was "Within Canada, Crown Land is a designated area belonging to the Queen", which doesn't clarify in what regard (the Queen in Right of Barbados? The Queen as an individual?).

Perhaps all that's required is sub-heading "Federal" immediately under "Canada".

The paragraph already outlines the separations: "Though the Canadian monarch owns all Crown Land in the country, paralleling the "division" of the Crown amongst the federal and provincial governments, Crown Land is similarly divided so that some lands within the province are administered by the provincial Crown, whereas others are under the federal Crown." It seems "Queen in Right of Canada" is being used to refer to the Canadian monarch reigning in all jurisdictions of the federation, not the Canadian monarch solely in the federal jurisdiction. It could probably do with a re-wording, I'm just not sure how to go about it right now. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:09, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

What about saying "either the provincial or federal crown" and then explain that the ownership is nominal, with effective owneship by the federal and provincial governments. TFD (talk) 21:23, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

I've made some tweaks. It seems not much info about federal Crown Land can be extracted from the opening paragraphs of the section to form a section specifically on the subject. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 21:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Lord Paramount

I have removed the section on Australian land tenure. Two sources are given, both primary, and neither supports the interpretation claimed here. Mabo asserts that it is a fiction. --Pete (talk) 02:19, 5 March 2016 (UTC)

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Focus on public land element? Suggestion

Arrived here as a Canadian, where (as described in the body of the article), crown land is provincially or federally-owned public land. The fact that it is land formally belonging to the monarch is of interesting historical/etymological relevance, but secondary importance, so feels a bit jarring that this is the emphasis of the lede of the article. Given that this seems to be the case for most of the countries mentioned in the article, apart from those where Crown land is apparently just a historical concept, and that the section on the U.K. where I would assume this formal explanation is more relevant, is actually broken off into a separate article, any objections if I rewrite the lede? I'd essentially reverse the order of the first para, and move the 2nd para into the U.K. section. Martinp (talk) 02:39, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

The lead as it now stands is a balanced summary of the article as a whole, given that-

• the concept is one of mixed law, constitutional/public law and land ownership law, varying from country to country, in ways explicable by centuries of historical facts;
• the article is about the countries listed in the Contents box, mostly European (six out of eleven);
• unlike UK and Spain, the other European countries are no longer monarchies with a crowned head, but instead, like the USA, have republican forms of government;
• with reference to Australia and Canada, the concept of federal and State/ Provincial Crown land depends on the development of their respective constitutions from colonial/dominion status while under the UK Crown up to and after federation.

Qexigator (talk) 07:00, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Capital or lower case?

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What is it? 2601:447:C601:3690:0:0:0:D878 (talk) 04:15, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

It should be "Crown land". Crown is capitalized because it refers to a specific abstract entity and therefore is a proper noun. And it does not have its usual dictionary meaning of 'a golden hat', a further point in favour of regarding it as a proper noun. The word land is not capitalized, because the whole phrase Crown land is a common noun: you can modify it with words like some - 'some Crown land', 'any Crown land'. Indefatigable (talk) 05:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Saskatchewan

I note there is a description of provincial Crown lands for 9 Canadian provinces. There happen to be 10. Does anyone feel like writing a note about Saskatchewan Crown land? 71.17.191.211 (talk) 03:19, 10 July 2023 (UTC)