Talk:Clash of the Titans (tour)

Proposed Move

Would it not be a smarter title to have this at Clash of the Titans (tour) as opposed to its current title? I'll do it in a few days if there are no objections. --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 23:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

That sounds good to me. The27thmaine (talk) 23:43, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I don't see what's the difference in the names and why is so needed this change ... --Debil13 (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

It means that the title of the article becomes "Clash of the Titans" with the brackets detailing what it is. See music articles: They'll have "(album)" or "(song)" after titles. --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 18:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I've now moved the page. As you can probably tell. --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 01:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

band feuding

Do we really need to have so much written about the feuds between the bands? There is so much inner fighting during touring by just about every band out there, so nothing really new here. If this is to be kept, do we have some sources to reference this? The27thmaine (talk) 00:19, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

The feuding is part of the history of the tour. It may be over but it still has to be noted. --Debil13 (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I saw this venue as listed at Red Rocks June 1991. Great show. Remember so clearly. Had purchased tickets about 2 months prior to show date. Shortly thereafter, I realized I was pregnant. By concert date I was almost 3 months along with my oldest son. Still went and enjoyed the concert tremendously. Even though Megadeth was the band I wanted to hear the most, to this day, when I hear Alice In Chains "Man In The Box" it makes me think of my son I was 3 months pregnant with, who is now 18, born 1/1/1992. (and he likes metal, imagine that). Yes, they hear music from the womb. (he hates/loves this story).SMT

Missing Dates

Is this tour data from the Megadeth website? Reference should be made to wherever this data came from. Also, I swear I saw the '91 tour up in Portland, Maine, but I do not see it on this list, nor on Megadeth site. I wish I could find my ticket to verify this. I'm searching the internet now for record of this. I so clearly remember Mustaine being p.o.'d and storming off stage the second he finished their "last" song as the other bands overplayed their allotted time, leaving Megadeth with less time for their's. The27thmaine (talk) 00:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I did took it from the Megadeth's website and I took everything I can and putt it in there. I'll be very thankful if someone add data do the concerts list. --Debil13 (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

I am going to view some of my old "Headbangers Ball" shows I taped back in 1991, and maybe they listed the upcoming tour dates onscreen (they always did that back then, I hope I caught it on tape!). The27thmaine (talk) 23:07, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

There's a date missing for sure in Barcelona, Spain. I know because I was there. What's been difficult is to find the actual date, but I've find a reference at this obscure spanish e-zine http://www.colaboracionciudadana.com/fanzine/bandas/st.html so I think the editor should add it. The say it was on September, 27 1990, which makes sense to me because it's just one day before the other spanish date, and it was thurstday and I remember having to go to school the day after the show.

: Many of these dates are not Clash Of The Titans dates but Megadeth solo headline dates or Judas Priest/Megadeth/Testament dates which was not billed as the Clash Of The Titans tour. The U.S. Clash Of The Titans tour ran from the middle of May in Texas thru July in Miami. The date in Portland, Maine was July 5. The Cumberland Civic Center has all past dates on their web site. May 7 1991 was a Megadeth "secret" show at the Cathouse in Hollywood where only Megadeth played a full 90 min set. An entire Headbangers Ball episode was dedicated to this. Anyhow, I know I have more dates somewhere and many more can be found on Google News search. Ijwthstd (talk) 01:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

: Darien Center is a Buffalo area market. While digging around, I found most of the dates on the Alice In Chains tour guide but there are also bootleg tapes of the Darien Center and Philadelphia shows that were obtained not longer after the shows occured and bootlegs exist of many of the shows but those are difficult to cite as a source. I followed this tour closely at the time, and also followed the entire Megadeth and Anthrax tours as close as I could at the time without an internet connection. Ijwthstd (talk) 04:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for updating the dates but if there's more could you counted and edit the tour template next time? Thanks again ... --Debil13 (talk) 14:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I am finding online mentions of Houston and San Antonio with no dates. I bet they were right after Lubbock. Pollstar probably has them but pulling old dates is a feature they charge for. If the San Antonio and Houston dates can be found, that's probably the whole tour. If you want to use the other dates to make a separate Megadeth Rust In Peace tour page, they continued after Miami with Alice In Chains opening, ending at the Hollywood Palladium July 26. The only other city I know of though is Wichita. Ijwthstd (talk) 22:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Someone recently posted a Slayer t-shirt from this '91 tour on Ebay (I used link to this page as reference, which will only be good as long as item stays on Ebay servers), and the back can be read enough to confirm the Houston and San Antonio dates. It looks like this list is complete now! Also, changed Darien Center to Darien Lake as shirt lists, and link is no longer red. The27thmaine (talk) 00:56, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

This has been tried before and unfortunately, it doesn't really work :( Sources coming from ebay listings are generally quite discredited, as the listing WILL disappear, and soon. Would there be another way of sourcing the information besides that? I understand that it is very difficult to find sources on this material, but everyone working on this article is doing a good job. Is there not some kind of online shop where the tshirt is sold? --^{SteelersFanUK06} ReplyOnMine! 01:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

You can view the complete tour book here megadeth forums. You have to register to even look though. Houston and San Antonio are listed without dates and someone complains about having tickets to Cincinnati and it getting cancelled. Ijwthstd (talk) 06:00, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I removed that source, as it would have expired (in a month or so?). Posting data without a source usually gets jumped on fairly quickly on Wikipedia and gets reverted, so I wanted to post something with that entry. If I still had my t-shirt from that tour (who knows, it could be somewhere), having a picture of the back side would be nice on this page. The27thmaine (talk) 02:47, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Slayer Album - "Decade of Aggression" tie-in

I know we need to have a citation for this before it get's added, and wondered if anyone has anything from Slayer mentioning that the primary source material for the "Decade of Aggression" album was the entire show recorded at Lakeland Civic Center (July 13, 1991) during this tour. I made the personal identification, but I don't want to clutter the article without having citations for it. Here's my independent research, that I'm hoping will trigger someone to provide citations so it can be included in the article:

First, the album itself makes the claim that it was primarily recorded during a show at the Lakeland Civic center, though no date is ascribed to it that I'm aware of. Also, Tom Araya, in interviews from the time of the album's release (viewable on Youtube), states that almost the entire thing came from a single show in Lakeland, with some additional songs added later.

Second, while it should be noted that Slayer was not a stranger to the Lakeland Civic Center, and so it holds the possibility of being from another show played there, I don't think that's the case because, during the introduction to the song "War Ensemble," (on the album, and at the show) the singer (Tom Araya) says (paraphrased) "When you see someone going down, help them out, alright? That's what we're here to do, help each other out..." While these same words may very well have been said at other shows as well, Tom usually doesn't say much between the songs, and that was SOME of the words he spoke when, during this show, the front security barricades broke and quite a few people were thrown under the stage, requiring medical attention. The show was stopped temporarily a few times, and some of the bands wouldn't play until they managed to get people to back-up a bit. If I'm remembering correctly, the music stopped at the end of one of their songs, or at the beginning of the set, Tom started asking people to back-up some more, and then spoke those words which ended up on the album.

Third, I recall warnings from each of the bands playing, saying that they would be taping the show. It seemed unusual at the time that all three bands were saying it, and I thought they were ALL merely attempting to use it to "pump up the crowd." Each band seemed to be referencing both video and audio recordings, and upon completion of the warnings, invariably a cameraman would come out to the front of the stage and film the audience going crazy without the bands even playing.

Finally, again, although it may have come from another show, it seems to me that the best time to record a live album would be when the energy levels are as high as possible. With a large crowd there to see the three A-level bands, the synergy between the band and the crowd would have been much higher than a normal show. 24.73.77.230 (talk) 14:18, 10 April 2013 (UTC)