Talk:Chofetz Chaim

proposed merger

self-explantory, they're almost duplicates, Chofetz Chaim had been a confusion of Chofetz Chaim (disambiguation) and Yisrael Meir Kagan (have copied material from here that wasn't there). alternatively Chofetz Chaim could redirect to Yisrael Meir Kagan and Chafetz Chaim (book) stay as it is. need feedback on this no idea which usage wld be more common. (NB: different spellings of cho/afetz, it took me a while...)  ⇒ bsnowball  09:39, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

• agree i was intending to clean up that area some time ago, never got arround to it. frummer 19:46, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

How do you go about doing this?

• while using redirection may be a good idea so as not to have content in three places, I recommend Chofetz Chaim as the primary location for content, because this is the common usage. Chafetz Chaim(alternate spelling) and Yisrael Meir Kagan(real name) and Israel Meir HaCohen Kagan(longer alternate spelling of real name) are secondary usages and should redirect. His book might be referenced as a link, so that from the Chofetz Chaim page one can drill down to discussion of the book.

Gabriel: I agree with the previous post on how to divide, but i suggest creating a book section under the Chofetz Chaim's main page, with the link to the Sefer Chofetz Chaim book page (if it will be created, or not). The page could be called Sefer Chofetz Chaim, to avoid confusion.

Can you please clarify what you are proposing? Are you suggesting one joint page for the person and sefer Chofetz Chaim (makes sense to me)? or a separate page for each?--Redaktor 18:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

• disagree (with the idea of merging the articles). Rabbi Kagan wrote many books, listed in the current version of the article about him. Merging all of the book articles into the one Kagan article would make it cumbersome. I would suggest keeping them separate and changing the title of this article to "Chofetz Chaim (book)", with redirects from Sefer Chofetz Chaim, et al. In my opinion, Chofetz Chaim was (and remains) an book of sufficient importance to justify expanding this article considerably, discussing the context in which the book was written, the contents of the book (in greater detail than we now have), and the influence that the book has had since it was written. Peter Chastain (talk) 10:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Such a small article for such a great man ....mean while killers murderers , scuzzballs get pages and pages of verbiage —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.72.130.56 (talk) 03:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

Chofetz Chaim or Chafetz Chaim

Why Chofetz, Maharsha, no Maharsho?Yosichen (talk) 05:37, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Error Message about "Psalms 34" not in a certain ["bibleref"] "source" database / resource

This might be (mainly) an issue with the "{{bibleref}}" template, or with some tools that are "part of" (or "used by") that template.

(I don't know.) Please forgive my ignorance.

What I tried

Using this ("15:57, 6 December 2014‎") version of the article, I just tried clicking on the hyperlink labeled "Psalm 34:12–15" at the bottom of the first "box" in the "Chofetz Chaim#The book" section of this article.

The wikitext for that reads as follows: "{{bibleref|Psalm|34:12–15|JPR}}"; ...although, it is also nested inside, an instance of invoking the "{{quotation}}" template... which might make a difference somehow.

What I don't know about both of those templates ("{{quotation}}" and "{{bibleref}}") would fill a book; hence this question, rather than just being bold "now" and fixing everything.

What I saw

I got some kind of error-message page. The URL of it was shown as http://tools.wmflabs.org/bibleversefinder/?book=Psalm&verse=34:12%E2%80%9315&src=JPR there.

The bottom line (of that "error-message page") said [quote]:

| This book/chapter (psalms 34) is not in Chabad.org's Judaica Press Complete Tanach.

... which might be helpful to someone who knows more about the nuts & bolts than I do.

By the way (sorry if this is OT [Off Topic]): My own original checking, found that this book/chapter (psalms 34) is in Chabad.org's web page at http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16255 . Just "FYI"...

I do not know whether it [see that "error-message page"] is a problem with the template, or with some tool that is used (invoked) by the template ... or maybe a problem with a recent edit (e.g., is it possible? that maybe that wikitext that now reads "{{bibleref|Psalm|34:12–15|JPR}}" was recently changed, [e.g.,maybe to "JPR" from something else?] and that the previous setting, was using some resource /slash database that did contain "psalms 34", but the new one does not? Just an idea...).

What should be done, now?

I don't know. It probably depends upon what is wrong (and how difficult /slash, how time consuming, it might be, for someone to figure out what is wrong). I am just guessing about both of those things.

I do not even know whom to ask (nor, whom to ask whom to ask) to find out.

Any advice? ...or other comments? Thanks, --Mike Schwartz (talk) 03:56, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

One more thing

Sorry I did not notice this until now: That "error-message page" does seem to contain this character string:

34=>16255

...which might be of some help, to someone who is figuring out what is going on here. Note that the number "16255" does already appear, -- (as part of a URL) -- in my original 'post' on this topic. ...but I did not know what it meant ... and I am still a bit confused.

Rock on ... --Mike Schwartz (talk) 04:03, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

PS: I checked some DIFFs, and it seems that this edit, was the one where the "JPR" was introduced ... in fact, it was when the entire template instance "{{bibleref|Psalm|34:12–15|JPR}}" was introduced ... and unless the template (or one of its tools) has changed, that oldest version that has that template instance, seems to have been DOA when born, because it gets the same error message (now, at least) as [when I try it with] the most recent version of the article that there is (now).

By the way, the change made that day, was to use the template instance "{{bibleref|Psalm|34:12–15|JPR}}" instead of the previous wikitext, which, [see the DIFF link above], seems to have used the (almost) bare URL "http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2634.htm#12". (Actually, the only way it is not a "bare URL", is that it is enclosed in [single square brackets]; which IMHO is not helpful, because it means, [for one thing], that readers of a paper copy of the article, cannot see -- [never mind, "click on"!] -- that URL. YMMV. Just my 0.02.) Btw, I hope this (or, the previous "one more thing") helps. --Mike Schwartz (talk) 04:44, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

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