Talk:Chemical toilet

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Can also refer to portable toilet — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.129.11 (talk)

POV

I removed a section that read like an ad, along with an advertising link. Alx xlA 00:37, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

deodorize

It surely does more than that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 15:15, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

portable toilets are universally chemical toilets

False. Both composting and incinerating toilets can be portable. http://www.treehugger.com/bathroom-design/portable-composting-toilets-for-festivals-homes-and-more.html http://ecojohn.com/trailer.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.201.69.34 (talk) 19:06, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Not only that, but there are portable dry toilets that use no chemicals, but also neither compost nor incinerate. http://www.dry-flush.com/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.139.62.20 (talk) 17:03, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Move content from "portable toilet" page to here and re-work portable toilet page

The article on portable toilet is currently all about chemical toilets. So I think the content should be moved to here and the article on portable toilets should be expanded to explain the full concept of portable toilets (which may or may not be a chemical toilet). I will put the same comment also on the talk page there. EvMsmile (talk) 12:14, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

OK, so I have done that now, i.e. moved content from portable toilet - where it referred to chemical toilets - to here. Chemical toilets are often equated to portable toilets but really they are just one type of portable toilet. More work is still needed to improve both articles. EvMsmile (talk) 03:12, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for being bold! I think the two articles are much better off separated. There are a couple of issues I'd like to discuss (aside from, as you say, lots of minor things that need attention). One is the removal of the material I'd added about the small basic sort - the reference I found was arguably an "official" source, the Canal and River Trust, whose remit includes the regulation of boat toilets. I don't see that short paragraph anywhere now, and I think that information belongs somewhere.

The second issue is the current first sentence, "A chemical toilet is a portable toilet which collects human excreta in a container..." I don't think this is accurate, to put chemical toilets as a subset of portable toilets. I don't think plane, train, and bus toilets are portable in any useful sense; they are plumbed into their respective systems and they can't be picked up and moved. I'd prefer a first sentence along the lines of "A chemical toilet collects human waste in a container..." and explain portable toilets in the body, not the lede. What do you think? Carbon Caryatid (talk) 18:58, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

About your first point, sorry, I can't recall what this material was? " One is the removal of the material I'd added about the small basic sort" - please put it back in, as I didn't remove it on purpose. About the second point, I would say most of the chemical toilets are quite portable... the ones on trains and planes are more likely to be vacuum toilets nowadays? EvMsmile (talk) 07:44, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I've re-added the material to Portable toilet under a new section and discussed it on that talk page.

Now this is going to get tricky. When is a chemical toilet portable, and when is a portable toilet chemical, and other philosophical questions. I thought trains and planes were chemical, in that they depend on holding tanks (an article which itself needs more linking to)? But you say they are vacuum - does that preclude them from being chemical? (No article on vacuum toilet, which redirects to vacuum sewer, which doesn't cover the concept properly. No article, or mention anywhere that I can see, on the old-fashioned train toilet that opened onto the track, which is surely still in operation in many countries. The corresponding sea toilet redirects to Head (watercraft), which is also inadequate.) Briefly, unless there's a strong case for it, I don't think chemical or portable toilets should be a subset of each other, but separate concepts that link. The wording of the lead should reflect this clear identity. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 23:16, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

I agree, it's tricky. But the definition of a chemical toilet is not whether it has a holding tank or not (lots of other toilets have "holding tanks", too). But whether odor control is achieved through the use of a chemical or not. - Yes, we should have an article on vacuum toilet (at the moment it is explained as part of vacuum sewer). It should be easy to set one up, although it could easily become "advertising" for vacuum toilets manufacturers... The definition of the vacuum toilet is that it uses a low pressure (the vacuum) to "flush". And yes, if it's a plane it flushes to a holding tank but that doesn't make it into a chemical toilet as the odor control is achieved through the water seal of the toilet not through the chemicals. - As for toilets on trains, there is this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passenger_train_toilet My conclusion is that a chemical toilet is a sub-set of portable (or mobile) toilets. Basically, anything not connected to a sewer system or a whole in the ground is portable/mobile, isn't it? EvMsmile (talk) 01:55, 12 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining. I take your point about the holding tanks. The definition of "chemical toilet" needs to be sourced; WiseGeek, the only relevant reference at the moment, is not a reliable source. I guess I missed that train toilet article because it begins with P! I disagree with your final contention, though. It is entirely possible to have systems which are not connected to pits, sewers, septic tanks, etc. and yet which are not movable. The main ones that jump to mind are the train and (long-distance) coach systems (if they aren't vacuum toilets). These are complex toilet systems, plumbed into complex machines. Or, to look at things conceptually/philosophically, pig toilets are not connected to any of the usual options, but they aren't mobile....but I'd rather stick to practicalities. In brief, I'm not convinced that either chemical or mobile toilets are necessarily subsets of one another, and I'd like to see good sources that clarify how the terms inter-relate. Carbon Caryatid (talk) 17:37, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

hopefully other people who're watching this page will start contributing, too. Perhaps someone has a better reference handy for the definition of chemical toilet. But overall, I think the way we have worded it in the two articles now is quite correct: A chemical toilet may or may not be portable (most of them are portable except those installed in moving vehicles?). A portable toilet can be of various types, e.g. one of the portable toilet types are some types of chemical toilets; there are also other types of toilets which are portable. EvMsmile (talk) 06:24, 15 June 2016 (UTC)

Portable sanitary structure v Chemical toilet

This Wikipedia entry goes into somewhat trivial detail about temporary structures / facilities while the important chemical details are very poorly explained and referenced. Surely like most, I came here to find out about the chemicals used, their suitability and environmental their issues. Does anyone want details about their use as advertising hoardings? The article as is, is junk. A "see also" link to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composting_toilet would be a good idea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.154.129.124 (talk) 08:53, 10 September 2016 (UTC)

the article does contain some information about the chemical. I think there is not that much more to say about this chemical? If there is, please add, together with reputable sources. Have added the see also link to composting toilet. EvMsmile (talk) 21:24, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

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Honeypots

We call these honeypots. I don’t know anyone who nonchalantly said, hey, let’s go use the chemical toilet!!! Just no… 2600:100E:B0AE:36CF:B0AD:8E49:9CC8:9EFE (talk) 05:20, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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• https://taskandpurpose.com/culture/pentagon-porta-john-painting/
• https://www.navytimes.com/off-duty/military-culture/2023/06/23/pentagon-porta-john-painting-the-unwitting-unifier-of-officer-enlisted/

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