Talk:Catholic Church and theatre
Older comments edit
Is this article really worth having? I don't see any list of actors excommunicated or for what or what the point of this page is. It mainly relies on one book as well. 86.40.139.31 (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Also, the whole thrust of it appears to be a polemic agains the Catholic Church's attitude to the theatre. Thus it goes beyond its purported remit, the excommunication of actors, and may lack neutrality. Perhaps this article should be replaced by a more balanced general article on the Catholic Church and theatre? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.6.157.215 (talk) 07:11, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
The entirety of the article mentions stuff that isn't excommunication either. Beckley must have been one of those 1800's anti-Catholics who didn't know how Catholicism actually works. Not being given a Catholic burial is what happens after death; excommunication happens while someone is still alive! Not one of the articles of the people mentioned in this article say that they were excommunicated either. If Beckley thought the Catholic church was anti-theatre he should have seen the Protestant fundamentalist attitudes to theatre! 86.45.226.161 (talk) 13:20, 14 July 2017 (UTC)
I came across this article while looking for an article about 'Church versus Stage' as a possible link to William Morton (theatre manager).The attitude of the church (both Catholic and Protestant) towards the theatre has varied over the years and is of historic interest. I have to agree that this article as it stands is of negligible value to anyone. The writing style is erratic and, in places, grammatically confusing. I see that several people have tried to improve it, but with little success. It does not deal effectively with its title subject, nor clearly with any other. Some of its content might be useful in another article, e.g. Antitheatricality , but I am not competent to discern what is reliable evidence here, and what is not. I don't think improvement is possible, and would welcome its replacement by a new article on 'Church and Theatre'. Petrosbizar (talk) 12:21, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
Need of feedback edit
@Elizium23: @Omnipaedista: @Marcocapelle: @Petrosbizar: I am considering either proposing the article to be deleted, or retructuring and renaming it to "Christianity and theatre". What are your thoughts? What do you think of the article in general? Sorry for pinging you again for Elizium23 and Omnipaedista, but I keep stumbling upon those poorly done articles which happen to concern Christianity. Veverve (talk) 16:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- "Christianity and theatre" sounds quite appropriate, but with the current article content "Catholicism and theatre" would be even better. I do not see a need for deletion. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: thanks for your feedback. There is a section about Church Fathers from before the Great schism, so unless I remove it, which I do not want to because this section is good, I cannot rename the article to "Catholicism and theatre". If I rename the article, I will make sure to restructure it so that the title will be appropriate. Veverve (talk) 17:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- In general, yeah it needs a cleanup, it's chaotic. I don't see why you couldn't name it "Catholicism and theatre" just because there are Church Fathers in it. You could have an "Eastern Orthodoxy and theatre" or even "Protestantism" with Church Fathers in it too -- it's the history of the Churches. Unless there is post-Schism material that applies to other Christian Churches, I would say the former is the best name. Elizium23 (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- Renaming this article to Catholic Church and theatre (cf. Catholic Church and politics) would be a great idea. The title needs to reflect the wide scope of the article. --Omnipaedista (talk) 18:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- In general, yeah it needs a cleanup, it's chaotic. I don't see why you couldn't name it "Catholicism and theatre" just because there are Church Fathers in it. You could have an "Eastern Orthodoxy and theatre" or even "Protestantism" with Church Fathers in it too -- it's the history of the Churches. Unless there is post-Schism material that applies to other Christian Churches, I would say the former is the best name. Elizium23 (talk) 17:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle: thanks for your feedback. There is a section about Church Fathers from before the Great schism, so unless I remove it, which I do not want to because this section is good, I cannot rename the article to "Catholicism and theatre". If I rename the article, I will make sure to restructure it so that the title will be appropriate. Veverve (talk) 17:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
The Catholic Church's view on theatre wasn't only negative edit
Seeing as the Catholic Church's opinion on theatre has varied over time, I think this article should at least touch on that. Reading this article, you come away thinking that it has only ever condemned it, and that is not strictly true. For example, the Passion Plays and Easter Pageants would be good mentions. For anyone working on this article in the future, here's a potential starting point: https://www.catholicworldreport.com/2014/07/25/the-drama-of-faith-the-church-and-the-stage/ (finding more/better sources would be good of course) Driftybiscuit (talk) 15:23, 31 August 2023 (UTC)