Talk:Cal Holman

References

Searching for references - hard to find links to older facts. His family has participated in the site so far with known facts of his life Cal Holman (talk) 17:23, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Right. As I suspected, that's the problem. See Wikipedia:NOR and more specifically, Wikipedia:NOR#Citing_oneself.
• Sorry for your loss. He sounds like quite a civil servant and asset to the community. Toddst1 (talk) 18:16, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I have added a few - will keep researching. Cal Holman (talk) 19:54, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Maintenance Tags

Do the tags at the head of the page go away - either bot or human performed? How will the site know that the requirements have been met? Cal Holman (talk) 11:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I was the one who added these tags. Tags typically go away as issues are addressed. Theoretically, you can remove them as you think you address them, but since you're the primary author here, it might be best to leave them for someone else to remove. They're not a badge of shame in any way, rather suggestions on how to make the article better. I'll try to keep an eye on it and I'm sure there are plenty of other editors that will do the same as the article evolves. That's one of the benefits of the Recent Changes Patrol.

Speaking of which, You've made a big improvement, adding citations - nice work. I removed the {{nofootnotes}} tag and added the {{citation style}} tag as the numbers in the inline citations don't line up to the numbers in the references section. I see you're using Wikipedia:Citation_templates as you're adding references - which is great. They'll work a bit better if you use them inline - like where you want the footnote - but prefix them with <ref> and then close them with </ref>. An example (from something I recently edited) would look like:

<ref>{{Cite journal
| last = Allen
| first = Melyssa
| author-link =
| title = Meredith Mourns Loss of Professor Emeritus
| journal = Meredith Magazine
| volume = 28
| issue = 1
| pages = p 4
| date = Spring 2004
| year = 2004
| url = http://www.meredith.edu/marketing/mmag-spring04.pdf
| format = PDF
| doi =
| id = }}</ref>

If they're all done that way, then in the References section of the article, you can add {{reflist}} and everything is numbered consistently. I hope this helps. Keep up the great work! Toddst1 (talk) 13:59, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Orginial Research

So the para you flagged is not supported by fact - i.e. a picture of the bumper. So it is simply opinion of the editor - it actually was part of the orginial posting on Wikipedia. I have deleted other sentances which were simular. This is the person adding the site for my father: http://coaching.typepad.com/espresso_pundit/2007/12/how-quickly-thi.html

--Cal Holman (talk) 17:08, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Hi Cal, I'm not saying it's not true or shouldn't be in the article. It just sounds like an opinion which is not what we can put in articles. You've made great progress on the article. In fact, you'll noticed that I took the banner at the top of the page off which indicated that WP:OR was throughout the article and reduced it just to that area. Let me know if I can help. Keep up the good work! Toddst1 (talk) 17:40, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for all the support - I will continue to work on the site and ensure there are refrences. Again thanks. Cal Holman (talk) 01:09, 5 February 2008 (UTC)