Talk:Cabbage/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Varieties

I am missing savoy cabbage on the list of varieties. I guess it isn't as common outside Central Europe as cauliflower etc, but shouldn't it be included just the same?

195.37.16.210 10:35, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Slang

I entered the other day some information about how the word cabbage ("chou" in French) is used as an endearment. It was deleted for some obscure reason. I have restored it and added another reference to make the anecdote a lot less "personal" -- something the previous censor didn't seem to care for. I assume the censor was simply ignorant of this use of the word. Hopefully my entry has now added to his/her store of useful knowledge. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.244.102.254 (talk) 00:09, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

"A cabbage is a nickname for someone socially inept."

Um, where? Not in the US, certainly.

well in new zealand its used as slang for anyone thats stupid

i dont see why my alternative meaning was taken out, thats unfair and wrong!

Well, Wikipedia is not a dictionary. While it may be entirely true that cabbage can refer to somebody stupid, most people would consider that fact just too trivial to include in an encyclopaedia. The wiktionary definition of cabbage, by contrast, includes this meaning. Hope this answers your question! --Spudtater 12:07, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

The term "cabbage" features prominantly in the most bogan cultures of New Zealand, most notably in small, boring, West Auckland suburbs. The likely source of this term is in reference to cannabis. Cabbage is commonly used to describe the leaf of the cannabis plant containing no buds. In comparison to the buds of the plant is has a very weak effect, much like Light Ice beer has in comparison to Steinlager. This can be very dissapointing to stoners. It is used for anybody who is laughable in being a stoner, alcy, slow, unattractive, lightweight, from the shore, or a twat in general. It has recently become popular in West Auckland to refer to the aforementioned as "Cabbage eow" (derived from the Maori suffix and popularised by the animated comedy TV series 'bro' town'). This evolved from "f**k eow" which in turn owes its existance to 'bro' town's' "not even eow". Until recently cabbage has been an offensive word of the same calibre as "nutter" and "f**ken weirdo", however it is rapidly attaining acceptance as Central Aucklanders (commmonly known as JAFAs) are realising that in some way or other, every Westie is a cabbage. In a bid to preserve the original meaning of cabbage, Westies have used their Kiwi ingenuity to re-invigorate the term, resulting in a number of sub-categories. These notably include Cauliflower, Cornflake, and for serial cabbages, Cabbageflake. The broadening of the term has also brought on certain catch phrases, primarily derived from Westie culture, such as "Once were Cauliflowers" ; "What becomes of the broken Cabbages" ; and "Cook the man a cabbage woman" . In conclusion cabbage encapsulates the happy-go-lucky, non-materialistic, alchohol-worshipping culture of West Aucklands' youth.

Re: "In England, cabbage is a slang synonym for "cash", especially paper money." I'm a 52 year old Englishman who has lived in Stoke, Birmingham, Oxford and London, and I've never heard this usage. It may just be very localized, but my suspicion is that the thesaurus citation is simply incorrect

It is however widely used as an affectionate term for a stupid person, broadly equivalent to the American 'dummy'. --80.176.142.11 (talk) 14:31, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: "(colloquially referred to simply "kraut")" This is nothing but an unverified random fact and is probably just regional slang. I've certainly never heard sauerkraut refereed to as "kraut" and have eaten copious amounts of it my whole life. The only Am. English definition of the word "kraut" that I'm familiar with is slang from WWI and/or WWII meaning a German or a Nazi. This factoid ads little to the article and is generally misleading. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.35.242 (talk) 13:42, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

 I am American and I have heard the shortened form, 'kraut', as in, 'a hot dog with kraut.' However, the use as 'çool' I have     never heard; perhaps it is a GenY term, and I am 61.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.229.217.188 (talk) 23:53, 28 March 2012 (UTC) 

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Cabbage garden in Shanghai, China.

nc ths rtcl rchs stbl lngth y mght lke t ncld ths pctr. r, y mght nt. :) pfctdayelise 02:55, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

I changed the caption to indicate this is more properly called "flowering kale." Ref.:http://www.seedman.com/flowcab.htm Yopienso (talk) 17:49, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Broken Link

I changed the "About Sauerkraut" link at the bottom to a working one. Cabbages are yummy :) (81.174.172.103 15:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)) in the arabian medicine cabbage juice used for gaetric ulcer and for diabetic patients

Needs better pic

In my area Cabbages look like large waxy iceberg lettuce and every time I've seen them in movies (uncluding foreign movies) they look like that too. The pic used here looks like the Bok_choy specialty cabbage one gets from an asian produce market. I'm sure these pics are all in the cabbage family but they don't look like any cabbage I've ever eaten. Tiki God 13:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Medicinal Properties?

For some reason, the reference for the "cabbage poultice" is to some page about the academy awards, but I found the intended link. However, the page is merely an assertion by Chanchal Cabrera, a rabid naturopath, and it cites no evidence for this claim. It is further made suspect when it is recommended for use in treating everything from arthritis to gangrene and tumours, and I can find no rationale behind this. I have found a more reasonable note in the British Medical Journal about the use of cabbage to reduce swelling (and only swelling) in traditional European medicine that I will cite instead. However, the note is only a personal anecdote from a general practitioner, so until I can find any real evidence of its efficacy I will revise the article to better reflect the current state of knowledge about this traditional remedy. --πσ 12:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Phosphorescence?

according to http://www.gullible.info/archive.php?m=2006-08 , the second line of August 30 (end of page), "Cabbage is mildly phosphorescent." Anybody know anythnig about this?

Cabbage as a weight loss diet

cabbage is also rich in fibres which make makes it good for persons who want to lose weight. but only for a short term. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sindygh (talk • contribs) 13:03, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Weight loss cont

cabbage is a natural diuretic which means that it kinda drains the water locked in the body. this inturn means that the body will lose potassium and vitamins B when you try to use it as weight loss programs. therefore it is important you supplement this minerals. you can eat fruits such as banana or those rich in citric acids to supplement the potassium and get to a drug store and request for vitamin B, approximately 600mg for the loss of vit B. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sindygh (talk • contribs) 13:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC).

Question

Why does cabbage burn your mouth if you eat too much raw? Acid? or some weird chemical thuglas^T|C 16:44, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Is it true that cabbage reduces sexual urge in women and makes men's sexual intensity to be faint? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.224.58.159 (talk) 02:30, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Discordianism

Is there some reason that this is one of the related links? --8472

Doesn't make any sense to me, I'm removing it. -- Dragonbeast 16:33, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Should the Cabbage be washed?

I need to know if hygienically, the cabbage should be washed, since some researches say that it shoudln't, or it is not bad not to wash it, as some others say that it has to be washed.

My mom got sick from eating unwashed cabbage. It basically depends on how it was stored, so I would say that unless you store it yourself and you trust your methods, you should probably wash it. 75.92.144.211 (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Cabbage

please give me a complete imformatoin about cabbage infested with diamond-back moth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.71.17.178 (talk) 09:52, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Babchka?

I never heard the "dense core of cabbage" being called "babchka" before reading this article. If you search "babchka" on Google, most of the pages you find are copies of this article. Other pages are in Russian. I don't know for certain whether this information is genuine, so I added a "citation needed" tag. If anyone can find a citation about that, please add it. If the whole "babchka" thing is bullshit, please remove it completely. Devil Master (talk) 10:19, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Since I found "babchka" in no English-language dictionary, I removed it. Fbarw (talk) 20:39, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Production

on that map says that romania has produced more cabbage than germany and it isnt wrote there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.113.3.51 (talk) 10:12, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Cures Ulcers?

A quick google search for "cabbage ulcers," yields many results. Should this information be included in this article?--98.112.20.232 (talk) 07:12, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Antibiotics cures ulsers see H.pylori and Helicobacter pylori eradication protocols. Be really careful of those "beeroot juice cures cancer" BS that's on line. There's a reason Ulcers are increasingly rare now and it's not because of cabbages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.25.75.72 (talk) 17:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

negative calorie food

Our article on negative calorie food suggests that such foods probably don't exist. I suggest that we remove the uncited claim that cabbage falls into this category. People have lived on nothing but cabbage for months (citation needed) so it cannot be "negative calorie". I propose to change the wording to read low calorie food which is generally accepted. Dbfirs 07:07, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Loaf

Whilst it is true that the word "loaf" can refer to a "head" of cabbage (OED quotes an 1829 usage), this is not a common modern usage. The word "head" is the normal term throughout the English-speaking world (unless anyone knows of any exceptions?). "Cabbage loaf" refers to an alternative to "meat loaf" (i.e. a loaf made from cabbage), possibly originating in Jersey. Dbfirs 12:20, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

the word "cabbage" is said to take origin in french word "caboche" (wich is still widely used in colloquial/slang language with the meaning of "head" or "cranium"). you say "caboche" may derivates from "boche": i think it is very doubtful and rather think that "caboche" is close to "cabeza" (="tete" french ; "head" spanish) and may share some etymologic roots with it... "boche" in modern french is a very derogatory term for "german", but this take origin in World War I. "cabbage" predates this well.. a.sorel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.206.162.141 (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

Fermentation

The section on fermentation mentions sauerkraut, suan cai and kimchi. The first is correct, the second two are produced using Asian cabbages which although sharing the common name cabbage, are an entirely different species (Brassica rapa). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.185.77.190 (talk) 19:42, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The cabbage/corn beef picture

I laughed too, but honestly is there a picture thats less pornographic? The current one looks like someone jamming a cabbage in a lady's hoo-ha. 166.102.128.169 (talk) 20:54, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

The similarity is so striking that I would guess it was used with no other intention :) 178.94.36.217 (talk) 12:43, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

The Manatee Clan and their thirst for Cabbage

Manatee Clan Mon

Everything the Manatee Clan of Rokugan does is for Honor and Glory, but more importantly, we do it for the CABBAGE!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trickydpirate (talk • contribs) 20:09, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Possible Vandalism

Check the first sentence. It is ridiculous enough for me to create an account to mention it. "Cabbageis not green, its purple, people are lying to you." — Preceding unsigned comment added by BoarderMiah (talk • contribs) 19:23, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Cabbage children

Does cabbage have something to do with orphaned children? In the movie Forbidden, a reporter asks a woman where a man found his adopted daughter, she responds with "He told me 'under a cabbage leaf'." Also, there is the Cabbage Patch Kids. So, is cabbage patch old fashioned slang for an orphanage? ToolAssembler (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

No, it's an old answer offered to children when asked "Where did I come from ?" ... "We found you in a cabbage patch". StuRat (talk) 04:40, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

HeHe, that's cute. I searched the internet and couldn't find anything on that expression, strange. ToolAssembler2 (talk) 01:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Article re-write

Hi everyone - Just as a heads-up, I'm working on a rewrite of this article in a sandbox, here. I'm still working on it, but plan to drop it in sometime in the next week or so. Let me know if you have any comments! Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 20:59, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Why did you remove the cultivar infobox and replace it with a pre-APG III species taxobox? Brassica oleracea is where the current taxonomical information on the species is, and where it belongs. Maybe you have some information about this change on the article talk page. I will look there. However, if this article is about the food from the cultivar, then it I believe it should have the cultivar infobox. There is only one article per species, and that is the article that should have the species taxobox. Plant species articles on Wikipedia should have current, meaning APG III system, taxonomies, not currently rejected taxon names and mixed taxonomic systems. Eau (talk) 21:57, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• Meh, I think the species taxobox is more informative, because it gives the family tree back a few more generations. However, it's not a big deal, so I've switched back to the cultivar infobox. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• "Type" has a specific meaning in taxonomy; it cannot be used as a word with a non-technical meaning. Please find a synonym. Eau (talk) 22:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• I think I've fixed all of these. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• All the field trials in the source you provided ended by 2007; the site clearly lists the dates of the field trials. Did you use another source you have not provided? Eau (talk) 22:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• You are correct, I hadn't noticed that. I have a couple of other sources I need to read through, that might have info on more recent GMO trials, but for now your modifications look good. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• You give pre-1000 BC at one place, then later than 300 BC. Please clarify and source. Eau (talk) 22:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• I don't see where I've given a date of 300 BC? You placed a clarify tag after "It was probably domesticated later in history than Near East crops such as peas and summer wheat.", but these two crops were domesticated far, far, far earlier. Please clarify your confusion? The spot where you placed the fact tag is sourced to the next source given (Katz and Weaver), and I don't think that this statement is contentious enough to necessitate a duplication of the reference. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

• "Cabbage (Brassica oleracea or variants) is a leafy green biennial, grown as an annual vegetable for its densely-leaved heads." and "Cabbage is generally grown for its densely leaved heads, produced during the first year of its biennial cycle." During the first year of the B. oleracea lifecycle. That is kinda the definition of cabbage. The biennial life cycle is not cabbage; cabbage is an annual. Eau (talk) 22:27, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

• The cabbage plant is a biennial. A cabbage head is the product of the first year of growth, the cabbage fruit/seed is the product of the second year. Dana boomer (talk) 01:42, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Cabbage/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: MathewTownsend (talk · contribs) 22:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

• Will do. I'm not a plant expert but I want to know about cabbage. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:17, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm apologizing in advance for this review. I'm finding the article hard to follow. Also, it seems to be written from some kind of global point of view, but I'm not sure if the information presented is mostly from American sources or what. And if the information provides is true worldwide, or not. Also, I'm not clear what is included under Brassica oleracea or variants and what isn't.

The article is written from a global point of view (as is required), and the information is presented from a variety of sources (American, British, French, UN, Australian, etc.) There are quite a few US sources, but this is because US universities/government agencies have done a pretty significant amount of research into agriculture, and so they've put out some pretty good sources :) The information provided, as far as I know, presents a world-wide view of the subject, and I have been careful to indicate the places where I am only discussing one country ("In the US...", "In Russia,...", etc.). More specific replies below. Dana boomer (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

review and suggestions

• "Smooth-leafed firm-headed green cabbages are the most common, but crinkle-leafed savoy cabbages are also found." - " also found" implies green cabbages are common but there are a few savory cabbages found. - how about something like "savoy cabbages are also widespread"? (if this is your meaning) - or is savoy cabbage the only other type and relatively rare?

• I've played with this a bit...see what you think. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "although savoys were not developed until the 16th century." - what does "developed" mean in this case? - purposefully bred?

• Yes, purposefully bred. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "but those kept for seed are allowed to grow a second year, and must be kept separated from other cole crops" - to avoid repetition of "kept", how about "those intended for seed are allowed ... "

• Done. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "Almost half of this came from China." - since "this" seems vague, how about "Almost half came from China."

• It came from China but where did it go?

• Produced in China. Changed, which also removed the "of this". Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "Cabbages are used in many different ways in cooking, although pickling, in dishes such as saurkraut, is the most popular." - since pickling isn't cooking, how about "Cabbages are prepared in many different ways for eating, although pickling, in dishes such as sauerkraut ..."?

• Done. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "although pickling, in dishes such as saurkraut, is the most popular." - could a citation be provided for this?

• A citation is given in the proper section - I don't see that this is so controversial as to require a citation in the lead, especially when nothing else in the lead is referenced. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Taxonomy and etymology

• "Cabbage is a member of the Brassica genus and the Brassicaceae (mustard) family. Several other cole crops are considered varieties of B. oleracea, including broccoli, collard greens, brussels sprouts, kohlrabi and sprouting broccoli." - confusing - these are all B. oleracea? Should they discussed in this article?

• Yes, all of those are members of B. oleracea, of which cabbage is sometimes considered the type species, even though it is technically one of the subgroups of B. oleracea. No, I don't believe those should all be discussed here (at least any more than they currently are), because they all have slightly different histories, cultivation and harvesting methods, culinary uses, medicinal lore, etc. I think you would find it hard going to convince anyone that all of those articles should be merged into this one. Dana boomer (talk) 00:16, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• "This original subspecies was selected over thousands of years into the vegetables seen today, with individual varieties being selected for different attributes, such as large heads for cabbage, large leaves for kale and thick stems with flower buds for broccoli" - could be more clearly worded

• "All of these developed from the wild cabbage B. oleracea var. oleracea, also called colewart or field cabbage." - do you mean in all English-speaking lands, or does it vary? and do you mean all the varieties of B. oleracea mentioned above?

• First point changed to suggestion below. Second point: "all of these" means the varieties discussed in the previous sentence - not sure how to make this more clear... Dana boomer (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• "The original family name of brassicas was Cruciferae, which derived from the flower petal pattern thought by medieval Europeans to resemble a crucifix.[6] The word "brassica" itself derives from "bresic", a Celtic word for cabbage.[7] The late Middle English word "cabbage" derives from the word "caboche", meaning "head", from the Picard dialect of Old French. This in turn is a variant of the Old French "caboce"." - somewhat confusing.

• should "caboce" be caboce and "bresic" be bresic and "brassica" be brassica?
• "The word "brassica" itself" - the word "itself" seems redundant

• This source used in the article says: "The word "cabbage" is an Anglicized form of the French caboche, meaning "head." It has been used, loosely, to refer to loose-heading (or even nonheading) forms of Brassica oleracea as well as to the modern hard-heading type classified as B. oleracea variety capitata."Aggie Horticulture

• I think I have addressed all of the above? Dana boomer (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• "was selected over thousands of years" - how about evolved over thousands of years - or wikilink - selected

• (suggestion) "evolved over thousands of years into those seen today, as selection resulted in varieties having different characteristics, such as large heads for cabbage, large leaves for kale and thick stems with flower buds for broccoli"? - not sure if this is your meaning, or do you mean that people did the selecting to purposefully create large leave, thick stems etc., as in some kind of plant husbandry, or is evolution the focus?

• Changed to your suggestion. This was a combination of natural evolution and plant husbandry, and I think your proposed wording gets the point across nicely. Dana boomer (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

History

• "The wild ancestor of cabbage was originally found in England and continental Europe."

• This source (used in article) says: "The Celts of central and western Europe had much to do with the distribution and popularization of cabbage as a food plant. Although the evidence points to the eastern Mediterranean and Asia Minor as the place of origin of the species, Celtic knowledge of it was so ancient as to have influenced the Latin name, Brassica (from the Celtic word bresic, meaning "cabbage").Aggie Horticulture

• I'm unclear as to your concern here? Dana boomer (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

• This section seems incomplete and doesn't convey the possible history - I realize the sources seem to vary but I'm not sure there weren't varieties in Asia. If the Greeks and Romans had cabbage, then ... ?

• The sources do vary a bit, but I think I woven together the most reliable of them to make a fairly complete narrative. I found no mention of B. oleracea varieties in Asia before they were taken there from Europe through trade. Other Brassica species were present, such as B. rapa, but not B. oleracea. As mentioned in the article, the Greeks and Romans cultivated some variety of B. oleracea - whether it was what is referred to today as a cabbage is still under debate. Dana boomer (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Cultivation

• "Plants perform best when planted ..." plants, planted

• Tweaked. - DB

• "direct seeded" - is the a horticultural term? or should it be expanded to explain that it means placing the seeds directly into the earth?

• Expanded slightly. - DB

• "There are several cultivars of cabbage seen today" - "seen today" means available, or exists today, or what?

• "seen today" removed. - DB

• "Savoy, Spring Greens, Green, Red" - these are formal names of varieties of cultivars?

• These are names given by sources to groupings of varieties. For example, I can buy the variety "Danish Ballhead", which is a member of the Green cultivar group. - DB

• what is the effect of its being prone to nutrient deficiencies? Does this mean these nutrients must be added during growing?

• It means that if the plant does not receive these nutrients, other problems develop. This is remedied either by planting in soil that is high in the nutrients required by the plant, or by supplementing the soil. - DB

Production

• "This came primarily from China (43 percent) and India (11 percent)" - "from" meaning imported from? Or produced in?

• Tweaked. - DB

• "Cabbages sold for fresh market are generally smaller, and different varieties are used for those sold immediately upon harvest and those stored before sale." - do countries vary or do China and India produce all or most varieties?
• "Both hand and mechanical harvesting are used, with hand-harvesting generally used for cabbages destined for fresh market sales." Do countries vary in primary means of production or is all the same around the world?

• As far as I know, the varieties and production methods are basically the same worldwide. I searched for information that said otherwise, and couldn't find anything. Dana boomer (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Culinary use

• This article is about a food, so I think this section should be expanded.

• Do you have specific suggestions on what you feel is missing?

• Since the table shows that China produces most of the world's cabbage, do the Chinese also use it to eat? Also, is it used in India as food? If so, could some examples be given?

• The Chinese and Indians do eat it, although they eat other Brassica species more often, but I was not able to find additional sources detailing exactly what dishes it is used in, other than the ones already detailed in the article. Finding information on usage in these countries is complicated by the fact that they more often use Chinese cabbage (a different species), and so the majority of the sources are discussing this plant. Dana boomer (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

• Is cabbage used worldwide or mostly in Europe, US, Australia? Or where?

• It is used worldwide (as is discussed throughout the article). However, it appears to be most popular in the US and Europe. I have included all of the consumption per capita information that I could find in the Culinary use section.

• "although kimchee is more often made from Chinese cabbage - a Korean dish? Chinese cabbage is not a variant of "Cabbage (Brassica oleracea or variants), or is it?

• Chinese cabbage is the common name of some Brassica rapa cultivars. Added. - DB

Image

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• There seem to be lots of images on the Commons. Couldn't a better one be found?

• Image switched out. - DB

MathewTownsend (talk) 00:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Mathew, thanks for the review! Things have been crazy in RL lately, but I'm going to try to address your comments in the next day or two. Dana boomer (talk) 11:18, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry about a time limit. I notice a couple of wonderful plant editors helped with your great article Lettuce. Could they take a peek at this article? (Writing a plant article understandable to the general reader is really hard! - plant terms and plant article conventions are tricky.) MathewTownsend (talk) 14:32, 2 September 2012 (UTC)

Manfrombuttonwillow, Casliber and Sasata all know that I've been working on this article (Cas through the Core Contest and the other two because they've helped me acquire some of the sources currently in the article). I do plan to ask them each to take a thorough look at the article before I take it to FAC, but I don't really see why its necessary for GA? (I was grateful that they looked at the GA for Lettuce, but that review went quite a bit above and beyond GAN requirements.) Dana boomer (talk) 19:44, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

• Apologize for my slowness. Will respond soon. Been fighting off my RL weather! Really sorry. MathewTownsend (talk) 13:39, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

• I think I have addressed all of your comments above. Thanks again for the review! Dana boomer (talk) 17:14, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

comments

• alright, I'll take your word for the botanical accuracy and use of words, history, worldwide use etc.
• a few more comments about "worldwide view:

• " Cash and tobacco have both been described by the slang "cabbage", while "cabbage-head" means a fool or stupid person and "cabbaged" means to be exhausted or, vulgarly, in a vegetative state." - is this worldwide? I've never heard this (living in the US)

• These are all actually specifically US or worldwide usages, according to the source. - DB

• salads (eaten raw) - that's most common in places in US where I've lived.

• I see that you've added "eaten raw" to the culinary uses section, which is fine. As the section currently says, coleslaw (which includes raw cabbage) is the most common use for cabbage in the US. - DB

• "Several slang meanings of cabbage relate to tailoring, with "cabbage contractor" having the 18th century meaning of a tailor, while at the same time small scraps of material sold by tailors were called "cabbage". - is this British use?

• The source doesn't give a location for this usage, so I'm guessing it was worldwide (or at least English-speaking world wide). - DB

• your source gives other meanings also - "vagina", "to steal" etc. - how did you choose which to use?

• I chose a few representative ones (there were several entries that mentioned it as a substitute for "fool", "cash", tailoring terms, etc. I think it would be getting very close to listy-ness and trivia to list them all, so I gave what I felt was a representative sample, and if people are interested further, they can look at the source. - DB

Otherwise, looks good. Really nice images. I made a few edits that you are free to revert.[1] MathewTownsend (talk) 18:15, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again, Mathew! I hope I have addressed your comments above. Dana boomer (talk) 17:58, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

GA review-see WP:WIAGA for criteria (and here for what they are not)

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• Congratulations! MathewTownsend (talk) 21:50, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

• Wonderful! Thank you so much, Mathew! Dana boomer (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Bubble and squeak

The info on bubble and squeak is not correct. The two most important ingredients are mashed potatoes and cabbage. It seems that it is generally thought of as a way to use leftovers. Leftover meat, bacon, sausage, etc., is added to make a more hearty dish, but is not necessary. Google the term and look at the recipes to confirm this. Gandydancer (talk) 14:45, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Assessment comment

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Under Vernacular, it says, 'German cabbage (Kohl) made into a salad (Salat) became in American English "cole slaw".' But the Coleslaw page of Wiki says (correctly in my view) that coleslaw comes from the Dutch 'kool' and 'sla'. Besides that, of course, the sentence is poorly written. The cabbage used does not have to be German :)

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