Talk:Blink-182/Archive 3

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Enter Travis

Interested to see if anyone can validate this, but I think the first time Travis played was when supporting the Madness Tour at the Oakland Coliseum. Tom came on stage and gave the story about Barker just learning their set that day. -- Digitalwrapper (talk) 23:25, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Source? -- ℂℏɨ₡ƙ℮ᵰᵴ∂ⱺ☮яϰŊøɓ <pro nobis pro eis pro vobis> (talk) 00:39, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Hidden message

Should it be noted that hidden message can be found on the "spine" of Enema of the State?
It reads "Viking Wizard Eyes, Wizard Full of Lies". Example video. --124.176.65.88 (talk) 01:56, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

No; that has no relevance at all to a biography of the band. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Then, is it worth mentioning it on the article, Enema of the State? --124.176.65.88 (talk) 04:36, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Also probably not. Trivial with no real importance to a description of the album. Blink-182 are well-known for their silliness; we don't need to highlight examples. --IllaZilla (talk) 06:11, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Name? ~ Turk 182

Is the name of this band a reference to Turk_182? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.108.145.39 (talk) 16:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

No. The origin of the "182" in the name has been rumored and joked about for decades; DeLonge & Hoppus have said many times that they just chose it at random. --IllaZilla (talk) 18:40, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

IllaZilla, source? --58.168.23.206 (talk) 00:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Numerous articles about the band from the late '90s through early '00s. If you want a specific one, this is from Blink-182: Tales from Beneath Your Mom by Blink-182 with Anne Hoppus:

• "To differentiate themselves from the Irish Blink, the San Diego band simply added a number to their name. The number 182 was chosen completely at random. Mark and Tom might try to convince you otherwise, but they are dirty liars." (p. 39)
• "There actually is no meaning behind 182. It's a completely random number. But in interviews given over the years Mark and Tom have gotten a little creative. Here are some of their explanations:
  • Mark's ideal weight.
  • The number of miles between Mark's house and his girlfriend's.
  • The number of Mark's grandpa's race care.
  • The number of Mark's grandpa's boat in World War II.
  • The number of times Al Pacino says the F-word in Scarface.
  • The eighteenth letter of the alphabet is R. The second is B. 18 + 2 = RB, or Rancho Bernardo where Mark and Scott lived for years." (p. 34)

--IllaZilla (talk) 07:17, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Band members

What order are the band members in and why? --121.218.47.125 (talk) 01:11, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Discography Holes

I have information on every audio release apart from the "M+M's" and "Dumpweed" (Live) singles. I do not have the time or wikipedia skills to fill in all of the gaps you have here. Would anyone be intrested in completing the missing articles. Or would you all prefer just one page listing all the releases, tracklists and cover art for every release that dosent have their own articles? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 20:25, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

A complete discography is found at Blink-182 discography. Not every release merits a separate article; see WP:MUSIC. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:27, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Which leads to the other question above. The one about merging all other releases together into one article. So that the info is actually on wikipedia for people to read and they dont have to spend months searching for it like I did. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 20:32, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not meant to cover everything. Minor releases that aren't notable are excluded. There are other websites that are just lists of releases, such as discogs.com. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:38, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

A: Still didnt answer the question. B: websites like discogs.com only list releases that you can currently purchase and are therefore not much help. C: Isn't wikipedia supposed to be an encyclopedia? Encyclopedias are meant to be quite comprehensive... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 20:59, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

(A) If the question is whether we need a listing of "all the releases, tracklists and cover art for every release that dosent have their own articles", the answer is no. We already have a complete discography listing all the releases; the track listings of non-notable releases are unimportant, and including cover art just for the sake of having it would violate Wikipedia's non-free content criteria since cover art is copyrighted. (B) Not true: discogs.com lists tons of rare and out-of-print stuff, and is itself a wiki that anyone can contribute to. (C) Yes, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, but there are are still many things it does not and is not meant to cover. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Could someone atleasst mention that more information on the other releases can be found on this (work in progress) Wikia (http://myalbumcollection.wikia.com/wiki/Blink_182)? So noone has to spend 6 months of their life searching for the information like I did... You are obviously not a fan if you believe that there is even one release that contains rare track/s is unimportant. For a fan like myself rare tracks are more important than the albums. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

As a fan, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but helping superfans complete their rarities collections isn't among Wikipedia's goals. We don't generally link fan sites or wikias. And I'm sorry, but if it took you 6 months to track down all that info then clearly you weren't looking in the right places.

P.S.: Would you please sign your posts? --IllaZilla (talk) 15:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

I am aware that it isnt Wikipedias goal is not to help fans find the rare tracks, but being the worlds largest encyclopedia it is where we come in order to find the info we need to put us in the right direction. Don't forget that the people who read this article are Blink 182 fans and not wikipedia nazis.

PS whats the point in scrolling up to the top of the page to copy and paste these swiggly lines: ~~~~ when wikipedia automatically signs my post anyways — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 18:41, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

It's not just Blink-182 fans who read these articles. Wikipedia is a general-purpose encyclopedia and covers notable topics; we not seek to include, nor are we interested in including, every bit of Blink-182 minutia. There are literally dozens of fan sites and band-specific wikis for that kind of thing.

You don't need to copy and paste the tildes. Please read Wikipedia:Signatures#How to sign your posts, which I linked in my previous response. You can simply type four tildes (~), like this: ~~~~, or you can click the signature icon located above the edit window. Signing your posts is important so others will know who said what, and when. SineBot keeps signing your posts for you because you keep neglecting to do so, and it will automatically place a reminder on your talk page. You'll keep getting those reminders until you learn to start signing your posts yourself. --IllaZilla (talk) 05:11, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Im saying its only Blink fans who would read the Blink articles, someone who isnt a fan would have no intrest in reading it. All of those sites are 90% untrustworthy. And what is the shortcut to get the' ~~~~ to appear? because the closest thing to it i have on my keyboard is: ---- — Preceding unsigned comment added by Simdude1990 (talk • contribs) 07:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Image

I was just wondering why this image was removed from the article. The Middle East image from 2003. — ıʇɐʞǝɐdʌɐиƭɐqǝoɟʎouɹqoɐʇ [talk] 22:26, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

My guess is because it's not needed (the article's not all that long & already has several pictures) and because it doesn't show much. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

But it's been there for a while (that I know of). Let's say like you claim "My guess is because it's not needed", and it has just been removed recently? Know any reasoning for this? And no, I am not trying to make this talk "heat up" just out of all curiosity. — ıʇɐʞǝɐdʌɐиƭɐqǝoɟʎouɹqoɐʇ [talk] 08:08, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Thardin12 (talk · contribs) did a bunch of work on the article recently. Among his changes were removing a couple of the photos and adding the screenshot of the "What's My Age Again" video. I'd recommend asking him. --IllaZilla (talk) 14:28, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

I added the WMAA image because it pretty much encapsulates the band at the height of their commercial success. There's already tons of live shots, and the additional shot from the Middle East just simply got in the way of the text and looked poor, in my opinion. It isn't useless though: the Blink-182 page still uses it to good effect. --Thardin12 (talk) 14:48, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Genre

The Blink-182 page incorrectly lists the band's genre as "Rap" which is incorrect. Fixed genre from Rap to Pop-Punk. Pop-Punk is correct. See Pop-Punk page on Wikipedia for more info. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.29.25.222 (talk) 17:57, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

The change to rap was part of an obvious vandalism edit. I've reverted to the last good version & warned the user who vandalized the article. --IllaZilla (talk) 21:09, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Restored as rap. --60.228.52.87 (talk) 01:05, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Reverted again. Continue and you will be blocked, and the article will be protected if necessary to prevent your vandalism. --IllaZilla (talk) 09:54, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

I have added Skate Punk to the list of genres for this band. Their first three albums: Cheshire Cat, Dude Ranch and Enema of the State are widely recognized as partially skate-punk like albums regarding the skating community. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.136.130 (talk) 12:39, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Reverted as usual. Purely your own opinion. --IllaZilla (talk) 20:04, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

This is no opinion, would you please check the pages for Cheshire Cat and Dude Ranch, and refer to their genre's please. As well as this, the early musical technique the band used during Scott Raynor's run (as well as Travis Barker's during Enema of the State) included many aspects of what would be regarded as Skate punk... If you need any reference to what can be identified as Skate punk, refer to the wiki page on that genre too. I have again added Skate punk to a list of the bands genres, as it's not an opinion but a valid piece of information that had made up most of the bands early music. If you need any more confirmation or explanation, I can give it to you, I am a qualified musician. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.136.130 (talk) 11:38, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

This is still just your own analysis, not backed up by any reliable sources. Saying "look at this other Wikipedia article" doesn't cut it. See Wikipedia:Verifiability. This article has a "Musical style and influences" section with references verifying pop punk as the subgenre they're most often associated with. --IllaZilla (talk) 14:52, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

blink-182 is not a Pop-Punk band. They actually are Punk-Rock, or Alternative Punk-Rock. All Time Low is a Pop-Punk band for example and blink does NOT sound like All Time Low. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.243.102.98 (talk) 20:34, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Numerous reliable sources cite Blink-182 as one of the most quintessential pop-punk bands of all time. You obviously don't know much about these styles of music. --IllaZilla (talk) 15:54, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

Recently I have noticed the addition of alternative rock to the Untitled and Neighborhoods pages. Should these be kept or not? Also, if it should be kept why? And why not add to this page. I know there are many discussion in the past of "lack of source" but the album pages can't be one genre when the bands aren't... --58.167.82.88 (talk) 22:48, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm in favor of it being kept. For example, Untitled sounds nothing like Dude Ranch. I recently added "garage punk" to Dude Ranch because I had a source for it. Let's be clear: Blink-182's clearly developed as a band over the years to where the association with pop punk is, even on Neighborhoods, barely noticeable. The problem is the lack of sources for the musical genre. If you can ever find a legitimate source that says that Dude Ranch is skate punk or Untitled is an emo-pop album (that New York Times article just doesn't cut it...it just states that PERHAPS it was inspired by emo) then go for it. -Thardin12 (talk) 04:36, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Box Car Racer era

Technically the band was on a hiatus during the Box Car Racer era, yes? So should we change the years active to "1992–2002; 2003–2005; 2009–present?" If not why? Please leave me your thoughts and/or opinions also --121.216.15.125 (talk) 22:35, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't recall the band classifying it as such, so I would say no. Besides, it's not uncommon for musicians to work on 2 projects at once, or have some members work on one project while others work on another one, especially with side-projects/second bands. Sergecross73 msg me 03:40, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No, Blink-182 was never on "hiatus" during the time Tom & Travis were doing BCR; it was just a side project. Their only announced hiatus was 2005–09. --IllaZilla (talk) 10:39, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Greatest Hits

Which is the official album artwork? this one or this one? --58.167.82.88 (talk) 09:27, 18 February 2013 (UTC)