Talk:Bishop (Marvel Comics)

Trivia section edit

I removed the following from the trivia section, as it doesn't have any reference. Further, it doesn't seem to make sense- Bishop's power has always been that he absorbs kinetic energy and releases it from his hands. There are removed reads: Many do not know this, but Bishop has been depicted in comics and the television show as having a metal structure around his right arm. It could be adamantium or some carbon based metal. Its purpose is for protection and generation of his explosive powers. 147.240.236.9 12:06, 24 April 2006 (UTC)Roy

I think it is worth noting that Bishop's appearance in Uncanny X-Men #282 is a cameo on the last page and that his first full appearance was in #283.

Solicitations for Ultimate X-Men #84 mention that Bishop has formed a new team of X-Men -------------whih---------- he is using to stop a new wave of Sentinel attacks on mutants, caused by an unknown enemy.

Original research

The "Trivia and speculation" section is filled with original research material and/or unverified claims. 130.241.18.31 10:45, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Speculation Section Moved Here

I moved the speculation section to here because Wikipedia is not a fan site that lists trivia and speculation. Either incroproate the trivia/speculation into the main artile, or it shouldn't be in the article. --RossF18 01:52, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Given that very little is known about Bishop's past before he appeared in the present time, much has been hinted at and speculated about regarding his origin. One theory that has prevailed is that Bishop is one of Storm's descendants. Some questioned this theory's legitimacy once Bishop and Storm began to start something of a flirtatious relationship, and after the XSE Miniseries #1 showed Bishop's grandmother as an elderly woman with white hair. This is most likely the same woman, first mentioned in Uncanny X-Men #288 whom Aliyah Bishop is named after in the X-Men: The End series. Others have argued the possibility that a relationship between Storm and Bishop in the present might lead to descendants, one of which would become Bishop himself someday and creating a predestination paradox.

In Generation X #14, Bishop becomes disoriented and mistakes M (Monet St. Croix) for his mother. It has also been indicated that the Australian aboriginal mutant Gateway is his great-grandfather, confirmed in the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe X-Men 2004 edition. Interestingly, Gateway was M's mentor prior to her joining Generation X, and Gateway works for Landau, Luckman, and Lake -- a firm dealing with time travel.

The matter of M being Bishop's mother should no longer be considered the case after Bishop stated in X-Treme X-Men #4 that Uluru (also known as Ayers Rock) in Australia, was considered sacred by his mother's people. Monet St. Croix's family hails from Algeria.

Marvel Vision #9 mentioned an unpublished plot for the XSE Miniseries was to deal with Bishop's ties to M as well as show Bishop's role as an XSE teacher.

The late Synch (Everett Thomas) from Generation X was also rumored to be Bishop's father. In Uncanny X-Men #318, Bishop had earlier claimed that Synch had reminded Bishop of his younger self. Also on the last picture of Synch in Generation X #15 is an homage to Jae Lee's picture of Bishop as shown in the X-Men: Hot Shots poster book. Synch and Monet shared a brief romantic interlude in the pages of Generation X. Synch was killed in a much later issue of Generation X.

However, in X-Treme X-Men #4, Bishop claimed that his father was a young man who attempted to teach him the ancient Songlines of his Australian people, yet Bishop -- a child at the time -- refused to listen.

In the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe X-Men 2004 edition, a history is provided to explain Bishop's origin. It writes:

"Lucas Bishop was born in the late 21st Century A.D. of an alternate future timeline in which mutant-hunting robot Sentinels had taken control of North America.... Bishop's parents escaped to America shortly before the island nation of Australia was destroyed in a tactical nuclear strike. They were soon captured and interred in a mutant relocation camp in Sheepshead Bay in Brooklyn, New York. There, Bishop and his sister Shard were born and, like other mutants, they were branded with 'M' tattoos over their right eyes for identification."

This sheds some light onto the fact of Bishop and Shard being Aboriginal Australians, their great-grandfather being Gateway. However, back in 1991 during the early international releases of X-Men, official trading cards from Marvel state that he is of American nationality but of Filipino ethnicity (the card says he was born in Tondo, an impoverished district of Manila, the Philippines' capital city), which is not unlikely as Whilce Portacio, Bishop's creator is himself half Filipino. Many fans do consider him to be African American as that was his intended ethnicity during his first appearances, Uncanny X-Men #282 and #283.

In the first Bishop miniseries, Bishop is confronted by another escapee from his original timeline - a killer named Mountjoy. This character had the ability to enter people's bodies and "ride" them using his own personality. At the climax of the fourth issue, Mountjoy planned to use Gambit to kill the X-Men, and then "ride" him back into his own timeline. Bishop prevented this from happening but not before he witnessed the real life occurrence of Jean Grey's emergency message that he'd uncovered in his own time, stating that they "knew so little" and "shouldn't have trusted" Gambit. This clarified the mystery of the X-Traitor and also how Gambit (in the guise of the Witness) was the last person to see the X-Men alive, yet Marvel did not go this more obvious (and purposefully misleading) route in favor of the Onslaught storyline.

In the issue of Uncanny X-Men after Juggernaut sought asylum at the X-Mansion (running from Onslaught), it was revealed that the message from Jean was actually referring to Charles being overtaken by Onslaught. The statements "knew so little" and "never should have trusted" was a reference to 'never should have trusted that there was no effect of mind-wiping Magneto', which has been recognized as the trigger to the 'birth' of Onslaught. The "Professor Xavier" and "first to die" was a major gap, as that issue revealed that Jean actually stated it appeared Juggernaut was the first to die.

Bishop is the first black man in the X-Men's ranks. Bishop is also the first black character on the cover of Wizard Magazine, issue #8.

There is also the possible matter and confusion of Bishop having a daughter unknown to him with Deathbird, an occasional Shi'ar Empress: X-Treme X-Men #10 shows the X-Man Sage viewing an image through her cyber-shades of an unnamed young girl with slightly curly hair, with the same facial markings as Deathbird is featured along with prophetic excerpts from Destiny's Diary. She fights in profile, wearing an original X-Men uniform on the side of a team consisting of Bishop, Storm, and a few other X-Men. Sage does not share this information with Bishop, and it's never referred to in X-Treme X-Men. This child would have been conceived around the time of Team X 2000.

However, the alternate storyline world of X-Men: The End, #1 vol. 1 (subtitled Dreamers and Demons), features a young dark-skinned girl who wears her hair in dreadlocks named Aliyah Bishop (stated to be named after her grandmother) and is the daughter of Bishop and Deathbird. The same entry from Destiny's Diary from X-Treme X-Men is listed above a picture of Aliyah. Aliyah Bishop is a main character in this series. The X-Treme X-Men "Aliyah" looks more European than the one listed in X-Men: The End, and the later Aliyah doesn't have the same facial markings as the one featured in Destiny's Diary.

Yet the transforming mutant codenamed Lifeguard (Heather Cameron) of the X-Treme X-Men is later shown in X-Treme X-Men #13 to #16 looking almost exactly like a taller version of the young "Aliyah" seen in the diary entry and Heather is said in X-Treme X-Men to have a royal Shi'ar mother. Some fans wondered if Heather -- a blonde haired, blue-eyed white woman -- was somehow Bishop's possible daughter. (As an aside, Shard, Bishop's sister had blonde hair as well.) Royal Shi'ar are also not known to shape-shift. This entire matter has never been settled.

References

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Fair use rationale for Image:Bishop.jpg

Image:Bishop.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 06:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Reverted Image

I have reverted back to the Distict X image of Bishop for the time being. While Bishop.jpg may be more stylish and visually appealing, it is stolen blatantly from another website, left at high-res, and its Fair Use rationale is. . . woefully incomplete at best. I welcome anyone to find and scan the actual comic cover and size it down to low res for use, but advise against stealing it from websites again. - EmilyRose (talk) 20:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Ving Rhames, born to play the bishop?

Am I right in saying that if they were to put the bishop in a movie then Ving Rhames is made for the part?!?!?! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.146.110.103 (talk) 13:53, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

• Right or wrong, this claim should not be in an encyclopedia. Ultimately, you are wrong to say this here, as this is not a forum or message board. This is a page that is used to discuss issues with the Bishop article, not the character. Save your fan fantasy for another site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.194.150.129 (talk) 11:43, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Wow that was kinda harsh there Mr. UNSIGNED Comment, it looks like you aren't following the rules either, so don't judge anyone until you follow the rules, understand.-71.166.55.189 (talk) 23:44, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I do not think that 195.194.150.129 was being harsh or judgemental at all. They just pointed out that fan speculation cannot be added to a Wikipedia article, which is absolutely right. Wikipedia talk pages are not forums, everything they wrote was correct, and it wasn't particularly rude. Unlike your little comment.

Singing comments is not a 'rule' anyway; it is more of a general good practice thing. Unlike adding unfounded original research and/or speculation, which Wikipedia does not allow in its articles, and using these pages as general forums is an improper usage of this page.

See Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Maintain_Wikipedia_policy, which reads:

"The policies that apply to articles apply also (if not to the same extent) to talk pages, including Wikipedia's verification, neutral point of view and no original research policies. There is of course some reasonable allowance for speculation, suggestion and personal knowledge on talk pages, with a view to prompting further investigation, but it is usually a misuse of a talk page to continue to argue any point that has not met policy requirements."

Which means that 195.194.150.129 was right to remind 71.166.55.189 not to try and turn this page into a fan discussion about which actor is best suited to portray this fictional character in a movie.

See Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Behavior_that_is_unacceptable, which reads:

"Do not use the talk page as a forum or soapbox for discussing the topic. The talk page is for discussing improving the article."

Oh, and P.S., you may want to take a gander at Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines#Good_practices. You will read:

"Avoid excessive markup: It undermines a reasoned argument with the appearance of force through Italic text, Bolded text, and especially CAPITAL LETTERS, which are considered SHOUTING, and RANTING!!!!! Italics, however, can be usefully employed for a key word, to distinguish quoted text from new text and, of course, book titles etc."

So, you have undermined yourself by not only disobeying the good practice guidelines as well, but have done so in an aggressive, ranting, hypocritical manner via "Mr. UNSIGNED".

"It looks like you aren't following the rules either, so don't judge anyone until you follow the rules, understand."

This quote seems like it applies to you just as well as it does 195.194.150.129, if not even better than it does them, since they were neither judgemental nor harsh.82.17.163.44 (talk) 00:52, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Well actually, if you take a look, you will realize what he wrote, you will see his bad comment, and signing comments is a rule, and it would be greatly appreciated if you fellow contibutors would not all gang up on me at once,amd I am right for what I did by the way.-71.166.55.189 (talk) 22:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

No one is 'ganging up' on you. One comment from one user does not constitute people 'ganging up' on you. You are not supposed to unleash the capslock fury on Wikipedia users or make insulting remarks, which you did. I was informing 78.146.110.10 that they were misusing and abusing the talk page, which you are now doing by continuing this. Instead of commenting on how people are being mean over the internet, which they aren't, actually read what 82.17.163.44 wrote and take heed. Learn from your mistakes. Don't do it again. Thank you. I'm a girl, by the way.195.194.150.129 (talk) 09:59, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Image from Ultimate Unvierse

The image of "the ultimate bishop" is wrong. the picture that in the article is the picture of ultimate wolverine from the future. Indiana Jaws (talk) 13:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

No, it isn't 86.30.1.163 (talk) 15:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Bishop as a DLC Character

Just think: on his IGN Touring the Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 Universe page, his 1st Model sheet sayd Civil War Costume, implying he has more than 1 costume now on Cable's Model Sheet as a DLC Character on the MUA2 website, in his article, it says Civil War Costume implying he has more than one costume meaning, there is a strong possibility that Bishop could be a DLC Character, but I guess we have to wait until confirmation,-Mastercarr (talk) 17:02, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Powers/Abilities Details For Days of Future Past Visitors

The powers/abilities section could use some clarification for casual movie viewers (like me) who might want to know more about Bishop (assuming he has powers comparable to in the comics). For example, what are some examples of the "radiant or conductive energy" or "magic energy" or "psychic energy" that he can absorb (i.e. which mutants would be relatively ineffective against him)? The comparison to Shaw is a good start. Also, what does "let his spirit go" mean? Teleport, send his consciousness to a different time period, roam as a ghost? Dalton Imperial (talk) 05:39, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

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