Talk:Bisaya (Borneo)

Language

I deleted this:

"though the language does not bear many similarities"

I speak Cebuano, a Visayan language in the Philippines. When I took a look at the Our Father in Bornean Bisaya, I recognized many words in it.--Nino Gonzales 08:3--4, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Having checked out a Cebuano dictionary at http://www.everlastinglove.com/cebuano.htm with a native Bisaya (Borneo) speaker (My wife) I can state that if this is the language you mean then it bears hardly any similarities but has more in common with Bahasa Malaysia than Bisaya. I have edited again to reflect this --B timmins 07:24, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Maxwell Carty

I am a half Cebuano and half English person and I speak fluent Cebuano and English. I have read the passage of Our father in Bisaya and Basaya(Bisaya Borneo) and I understood most of the words because they were also in Cebuano. I recommend the website www.globalrecordings.net and you can listen to prayers in all the languages around the world. Even the indigenous languages or the native language of United states of America. At the moment there is no dictionary with this language. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.82.106.185 (talk) 18:46, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

That's very interesting. May I ask if there is also a dictionary of Bisaya (Borneo)? I'm really interested in this:language. Here is the website I mentioned above: http://www.christusrex.org/www1/pater/JPN-bisaya.html

Do they have a correct translation of the Our Father?

Amahan namu nga itotat ca sa langit:

Ipapagdayet an imong ngalan:

Moanhi canamun an imong pagcahadi:

Tumanun an imong buot dinhi sa yuta,

maingun sa langit.

Ihatag mo damun an canun namun sa matagarlao:

Ug pauadun mo cami san mga-sala namu,

maingun ginuara namun,

san mga-nacasala damun:

Ngan diri imo tugotan cami maholog sa manga-panulai:

sa amun manga-caauai.

Apan bauiun mo cami sa manga-maraut ngatanan.

Here is the Cebuano version:[1]

Amahan namo, nga anaa sa mga langit,

pagadaygon ang imong Ngalan,

moabot kanamo ang imong gingharian,

matuman ang imong pagbuot

dinhi sa yuta maingon sa langit.

Ang kalan-on namo sa matag adlaw

ihatag kanamo karong adlawa.

Ug pasayloa kami sa among mga sala,

ingon nga nagapasaylo kami

sa mga nakasala kanamo.

Ug ayaw itugot nga mahulog kami sa panulay

hinonoa luwasa kami sa dautan.

Kay imo man ang gingharaian,

ug ang gahumug ang himaya,

hangtod sa kahangturan. Amen.

Here's the Ilongo version[2] (Ilongo is a Bisaya language as well)

Amay namon, nga yara ka sa mga langit,

pa gdayawon ang imo ñgalan,

umabut sa amon ang imo ginhari-an,

matuman ang imong buut

diri sa duta siling sang sa lañgit.

Panhatagan mo kami nian sing kan-on namon sa matagadlaw,

kag patawaron mo ang mga utang namon

siling ñga ginapatawad namon ang mga nakautang sa amon,

kag dili mo kami ipadaug sa mga panulay,

hinonoo luwason mo kami sa kalaut.

Amen!

Btw, you might want to read this: WP:NOR... I'm probably also guilty of this... hehe... also, would you know where to get a history of the Bisaya of Borneo? I think the people of the Philippines who speak Visayan languages (Waray, Cebuano, Ilongo, Aklanon, Asi, Butuanon, Surigaonon, Tausug, etc) and the Bisaya of Borneo came from the same stock (hey, maybe we are 100th degree cousins?) --Nino Gonzales 00:49, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

I've checked and that translation is not Bisaya (Borneo). As you say, it is very similar to Bisayan so it must be some confused researcher. Some Bisaya have written to Christus Rex to point this out, but nothing has happened. To see some real Bisaya, check out the forum at http://www.voy.com/72940/ but beware as there is Malay and English there also. B timmins 09:36, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

That bears so MANY similarities with Cebuano it's not funny, i can speak cebuano and i could understand (well i didn't realise that there was a Cebuano translation until i scrolled down) but when i went to the actually sitei saw something! te hail mary was in CEBUANO!! so that translation is WRONG! maybe it's WarayAustralian Jezza 07:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Philippine Bisaya languages and Mansakan language group is a sister of bikolano.Kasumi-genx (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:17, 26 May 2009 (UTC).

In regards of Awang Alak Betatar as a bisaya or in bisaya history its mostly fiction & hearsay.Not recorded at all in annals of Bruneian & Sabahan Historical facts.These following paragraph are not genuine,(1)'The lost treasure', (2)'Brunei Historical Centre version',(3)'Tales from Limbang' is manipulated and borrowed history of other ethnic tales . Even some of the foods and kuihs or 'Bubu mengalai' are of bruneian malay or kedayan ethnicity. Website "http://awangalakbetatar.synthasite.com" is very dubious!,created by an interested party to support dubious facts but its just as hoax reference. Also most reference are just furnished hastily and mostly are irrelevant to the Awang Alak Betatar history. There is NO proper Bruneian & Sabahan Approved, documented and recorded historical Facts and Reference..Pls delete those controversial paragraph! (Dj) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Djackalbru (talk • contribs) 12:59, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

((Bisaya Limbang (BL) and Bisaya Sabah (BS) is different. Bisaya Limbang is related with Dusun Brunei. The language is similar with Kadazan. You cannot categorize BL and BS in the same population because they are unacceptable. Majority of BL is Christian (Catholic, etc). While BS is similar to Malay or Kadayan. So, you should know the different of their ethnic and have a new research on it. Maybe you should separate both ethnic because they had a different evolution though they are from the same root.))

comment:

Basicallay, the root words in Bisaya language have a lot of similarities with Dusun, Murut, Barunai and Kedayan. Kadazan belongs to Dusunic, and the major differences between their language was the pronounciation. If the matter of an evolution could cause a lot of differences among the tribes, then we should check the relationship between the BL with dayak culture and BS with Dusun culture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by ([[User talk:|talk]]) 10:22, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

This page is terrible!

Someone needs to completely overhaul this page. There are absolutely no references and the standard of English is appalling. Most of the information touted as fact is completely made up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.212.140.213 (talk) 00:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Most of the content are self-aggrandizing hearsay, folk stories, or false etymology being misrepresented as fact. One thing I find particularly ridiculous is the assertion that Lapu-Lapu was sent by "Borneo rulers" to overthrow a "cruel king". -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 14:07, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

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