Talk:Bikini Atoll

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ERROR CHECK? The highlighted area on the map/photo indicates the northeast corner of the atoll as the site of the Castle Bravo test crater. The Castle Bravo page has a government map (showing the fallout) which indicates the NORTHWEST corner of the atoll as "ground zero". Also, the coordinates given for the crater are west of the causeway which makes sense. Personally I see a bigger crater in the northwest corner but this can and should be verified. 71.33.125.196 (talk) 05:37, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Well, I guess it's about 4 years after the fact, but noticed this error too and have corrected it. I have uploaded a new higher-resolution, higher contrast NASA Landsat 7 satellite image for this article and correctly annotated the Castle Bravo crater. (I didn't make the original) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.174.17.252 (talk) 07:41, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

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Probably not too relevant/useful, but there's a Beany and Cecil episode about a place called "No Bikini Atoll"

I agree that this is a valid Popular Culture reference: Bob Clampett's "Beany and Cecil" (ABC Television Network, 1962-67). In a famous episode, "Cecil Meets the Singing Dinosaur", the stars' boat, the Leakin' Lena, made it to the "No Bikini Atoll". [steveh199] 1 June 2006

Fishing

I heard from a documentary that there's a fishing ban around Bikini atoll which has created an interesting (although difficult to study I guess) marine reserve. This info needs to be added/included Nil Einne 17:17, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Merge?

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

The result was do not merge into Bikini Atoll. -- — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 10:20, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

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It seems as if Bikini Island should be merged into Bikini Atoll because, as Bikini Island is part of the atoll, it would simplify the page and consolidate the information. Users would no longer have to follow a link to view information about the individual island. On the page, there is a "geography" section which indicates only that the main body of land is Bikini Island. Why not just add all info in "Bikini Island" into the Geography section?SeanMD80 02:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Discuss: This seems unnecessary to me because the island and the atoll of Bikini are two different subjects... Belgian man 15:55, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The verdict seems to be to not merge. However, some material has been added to the Geography section by another user, which is a good compromise. SeanMD80 02:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay. Belgian man 11:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

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Flag

What does the text on the flag mean? What language is it in? Who designed it? Why does it resemble the US flag? Njál 17:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

See Flag of Bikini Atoll. Greetings, Belgian man 16:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Free photos

There are plenty of free photos for the article at lcweb2.loc.gov, search Bikini Atoll. If you have some time, please upload and add to the article. Thanks. Bebestbe (talk) 15:53, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Explorer

Otto von Kotzebue was a russian baltic navigator. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Kotzebue 94.73.248.165 (talk) 13:44, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Request

This article deserves improvement. However my english skill is not stisfactory for that

Marshall

It is curious. Mars is the roman god of war and Hall means, for exemple, the Town Hall: Mars Hall. Vibria (talk) 20:54, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Imagery

Ok, some alternative Landsat images if anyone has any issues with the current one.

False Color IR (annotated)

False Color IR (currently in use)

True color (visible spectrum)

True color - oversaturated

The reason I went with the false-color IR is for very clear separation between the islands and atoll, especially at lower resolutions. With visible spectrum imagery it is difficult to distinguish the islands from underwater atoll structures near the surface. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Разрывные (talk • contribs)

I think the true-color is the best, although I agree with you that it makes some of the underwater bits look like land. The radiation symbol is a nice touch to mark the crater - I can readily imagine people thinking the whole thing is one large crater (since there's no scale, and it was a pretty big nuke). -- stillnotelf is invisible 13:49, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

The true color and true color (oversaturated) images make more sense to me. Also, the "nulear trefoil" is quite silly, primarily because it is unnecessary and also because it doesn't point to ground zero. I would recommend a zoomed image centered on the crater to be used when discussing Castle Bravo, and then no silly "Your government nuked this" pointers will be necessary. The "nuclear trefoil" has a legal use internationally, and it would dilute its meaning to use it in this way. People got together after many years and discovered how the trefoil poorly represents the hazard, and there is now a new sign (2007) that depicts a person running away from the "poisonous" radiation. Imagine for a minute that the new symbol was used on the Bikini satellite image, and the sense collapses into absurdity. Don't use the radiation symbol on a map unless you intend to designate specific radiation dangers.

When I edited the article recently to get rid of the "annotated" image, I mentioned my reasoning that the article is about an atoll, not a nuclear blast crater. I like to saw logs! (talk) 16:56, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

I have no special love of the annotation. It was added only to match the original. The trefoil symbol was used to avoid confusion with the original's misplaced red box. It's off to the side to avoid obscuring the image. Regarding trefoil's use, the DOE marks detonation sites with trefoil signs. Even for a normal dose rate. (see: Project Rulison) But, I agree that image should show overall terrain. Not specific craters. Разрывные (talk) 23:11, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

And, I just replaced the false color IR image in the article with the true color version as you both suggested. I'll leave it to your discretion if that one or the oversaturated version is preferred. Coincidentally enough Bing Maps uses false color IR for Bikini Atoll at lower resolutions and Google Maps uses true color throughout, so probably not the first discussion on it. Разрывные (talk) 23:45, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Diving to establish damage from radiation

My father was a deep sea diver in the US Navy and I am told he was one of the first divers to go down to assess the damage caused by the hydrogen bomb at Bikini Atoll. He was the head of the deep sea diving school and his name was Robert Ward, Chief Petty Officer. My aunt said he was a hero and they made a stamp with his name on it which she has misplaced. When I was a child I lived in Honolulu and remember visiting him in the hospital. I later learned that this was radiation poisoning. He suffered this his entire life and at times was in a wheel chair. If anyone knows anything about him or the diving team I would be grateful to hear your story — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.217.125.35 (talk) 04:05, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

This section describes the USS Saratoga as, "the world's only diveable aircraft carrier." As of 2004, the Ex-Oriskany (WWII aircraft carrier) was sunk as an artificial reef off the coast of Pensacola, Florida. 199.21.241.37 (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2013 (UTC)Justin.Berke+wikipedia@gmail.com

References

Sources

An editor noted that Edmund Teller's comment about the death of the fishermen, "It’s unreasonable to make such a big deal over the death of a fisherman", was dubious, and that it needed a citation, and that the source for the fishermen's death from radiation poisoning may not be reliable. Both facts are supported by a reference at the end of the paragraph by an article cited on The Japan Times, which happens to be Japan's longest-published English-language newspaper. Please bother to check the source before you mark it as dubious. I'm removing the dubious and reliable source templates. — btphelps ^{(talk to me) (what I've done)} 08:29, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

WP:TIES vs WP:ALUM

I have been reverted by another editor when trying to apply WP:ALUM to this article. I am not sure if it is a reading problem or a comprehension problem, or something else, but let's try to discuss here. WP:ALUM aplies to chemistry-related articles, and overrides WP:ENGVAR. The detailed discussion of different radioisotopes and their chemistry clearly puts this article into that category. Does anyone who has read the article seriously disagree with this? --John (talk) 14:35, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

As no objection has been raised here in nearly 24 hours, I will change back to the MoS-compliant version. --John (talk) 13:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit war - see discussion of cesium vs. caesium on the talk page for Castle bravo Senor Cuete (talk) 16:47, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

I am sorry to hear your declaration that you are edit-warring; that isn't how we do things here. You'll need to be careful or you might get blocked. Meantime I will restore the compliant version, in the absence of any reason not to, per WP:ALUM and per the discussion at Talk:Castle Bravo. --John (talk) 17:23, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Operation Ivy

I can't see any information of the Operation Ivy in the text... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.205.159 (talk) 07:16, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Operation Ivy took place on Enewetak Atoll, not Bikini. 08:51, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Diving program

This section of the article states that Saratoga is "the world's only diveable aircraft carrier", however this is not, or at least no longer, accurate. Saratoga's own article claims that she is one of three carriers accessible to recreational divers, the others being USS Oriskany and HMS Hermes.

Theberengesniper (talk) 08:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Bikini Atoll

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• From Bikini: Hoover, Elizabeth D. (July 5, 2006). "60 Years of Bikinis". American Heritage Inc. Archived from the original on September 9, 2007. Retrieved November 13, 2007.
• From History of the bikini: Hoover, Elizabeth D. (5 July 2006). "60 Years of Bikinis". American Heritage Inc. Archived from the original on 9 September 2007. Retrieved 13 November 2007.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 09:12, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

"Starved for Lack of Food" - what?

The introductory section has the words "Rongerik Atoll could not produce enough food and the islanders starved for lack of food." How else do you starve? Jwood (leave me a message) See what I'm up to 17:08, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

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Rant about Micronesians

Comes Jim1356 to replace the entire lead section of the article with a rant about the abuse of Micronesians by, essentially, everyone else. It is somewhat off-topic for the subject, misplaced in the article lead and apparently not referenced (although there is mention of pages from some unnamed document). Reverted in whole. SkoreKeep (talk) 06:24, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I actually came here to read up on the US abuse of Micronesians; having just seen a program on Al Jazeera about anti-Micronesian racism in Hawaii. Apparently there is a Facebook/Twitter campaign started by one Sha Merirei Ongelungel going on right now to call attention to it, hence the program. Jim1356's bad English writing is very reminiscent of the sentences used in that show/campaign, so I guess that's where he's getting it. Was gonna correct the English, but then I looked at the history with all the reverts today. I suppose he's too angry to be editing now. Mwa, I'll go do other things, but here's the show (at the bottom of the page there are links to other newspaper articles): http://stream.aljazeera.com/story/201810021036-0025720

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New Media Available

I've just uploaded a collection of photographs of the 1947 Bikini Resurvey Project, which examined the effects of radiation on the atoll, to Commons. They might be of use to editors of this article. commons:Category:Images from the Donaldson Collection of South Pacific Radiological Surveys. BMacZero (talk) 04:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Lead section

The lead seems fine to me. I also don't see any discussion on this talk page about why the 'inadequate lead' tag was added in the first place. If no one objects, I'll remove the tag from the article. Lennart97 (talk) 22:33, 22 April 2019 (UTC)

Update: I actually realized what was wrong with the lead section, and improved it. Lennart97 (talk) 13:31, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Wiki Education assignment: Cold War Science

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Were there only 100 people resettled in 1970?

Two sources I have included state that 200 residents were resettled in Bikini Atoll before their final removal in 1978, rather then only 100 residents as stated in the first part of the article. -Krharrod (talk) 20:35, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

@[1]https://www.burkemuseum.org/news/spongebobs-bikini-bottom-based-real-life-test-site-nuclear-weapons Krharrod (talk) 20:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

[2]https://www.google.com/books/edition/For_the_Good_of_Mankind/8Q5zAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Krharrod (talk) 20:39, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Incongruous mention of HYSPLIT software under "Nuclear test site" section

The second paragraph in the Bikini Atoll#Nuclear test site section provides a non-trivial discussion of the application of the software HYSPLIT to estimate eventual radioactive deposition. There are two problems with this paragraph:

1. The grammar of the paragraph implies that this analysis was conducted immediately or soon after the Castle Bravo test. However, Castle Bravo took place in 1954, while the HYSPLIT software was first published by the NOAA in 1998.
2. Further to the first point, the entire discussion surrounding the use of the HYSPLIT software seems to be recounting only information from the earlier-cited article (currently source [24] on this page).

Given these points, I suggest at least either changing the sentence starting with "Nuclear fallout deposits were tested..." to instead start like "In 2010, an article published by Harold et al. tested nuclear fallout deposition...", or to move this entire passage to its own paragraph.

In general, it might make more sense to move this entire paragraph, or at least everything from the "Nuclear fallout deposits were tested..." sentence onwards, to Nuclear testing at Bikini Atoll. This paragraph is quite specific for a page about Bikini Atoll as a whole. Zelpuz (talk) 17:24, 16 September 2024 (UTC)