Talk:Bart the Bear

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Little Bart is not so Little

It might be time to give “Little” Bart the bear his own page. According to the IMDB, Bart (II) has already appeared in the films An Unfinished Life and Without A Paddle, and in television series that include Scrubs, CSI, and Leg ten of The Amazing Race: Family Edition. As evident by these appearances, the new Bart is becoming quite big. (205.250.167.76 17:58, 8 April 2007 (UTC))

I agree... I've removed Little Bart's roles from the list of Big Bart's filmography. Someone should create a page for Little Bart the Bear. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Slhaas (talk • contribs) 03:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation needed

In the article are mixed information about Bart the Bear 1 which died in 2000 and Bart the Bear 2 born that year. I don't know how to send message to author, please revise the article. References there: http://www.bartthebear.com/bears/bart-the-bear-2/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.52.40.23 (talk) 15:36, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

New page for Bart the Bear 2

Hi all, In view of the discussions here indicating that Bart the Bear 2 (formerly known as "Little Bart", but now not so little) should have his own page, and further noting that having Bart 2's info on the page for Bart 1 is creating confusion (especially since media is now calling Bart 2 simply "Bart the Bear" frequently, without the "2", I have started a new page for Bart the Bear 2. I have moved the filmography for Bart 2 over there and will be deleting that off the Bart 1 page.

I named the page "Bart the Bear 2" because that is how he is currently listed on the Wasatch official website at bartthebear.com maintained by Doug and Lynne Seus, his trainers. http://www.bartthebear.com/bears/bart-the-bear-2/ (Although I did notice that said website apparently had some mixed-up details of Bart the Bear 1's bio in with Bart the Bear 2's filmography...argh...oh well.)

I will also try to clean up links, add hat notes, as needed to make sure people can tell the difference between the two pages and know which bear they are looking at. It is confusing especially since a lot of sources recently, it being more than a decade since the original Bart's death, are starting to refer to Bart the Bear 2 as "Bart the Bear" and leaving off the 2. You can however tell from the date of the acting role being mentioned which bear they actually mean. TheBlinkster (talk) 14:03, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Page name

I've seen or been involved in some page moves recently where bears going by names such as "Brutus the Bear" or "Winnipeg the Bear" were renamed as "Brutus (bear)" and "Winnipeg (bear)" to fit with Wikipedia DAB style. This makes sense to me for most of the bears. However, with respect to Bart the Bear, he was such a famous actor and almost always was called in the media "Bart the Bear" rather than just "Bart", and that is the name by which the public knows him. Therefore, this article about him should keep the name "Bart the Bear". (And the same then would apply to "Bart the Bear 2" as it's his namesake.) So rather than move the page to something like "Bart (bear)" I just created redirects to "Bart (bear)" and other permutations of the names of both bears. I also listed both bears on the DAB page for the name "Bart".

Just leaving this note here in case anyone in future should think about moving the page, so it can be discussed here first.TheBlinkster (talk) 20:05, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Bart the Bear Academy Award Nomination

There has been a repeated issue with users removing the material about Bart's Academy Award nomination, despite the fact that the nomination is sourced by an article in National Geographic. I have previously posted the following discussion to individual user talk pages but am posting it here now as there have been multiple instances of editors deleting the material even though it is sourced. In the original page where the Academy Award information is mentioned, there is a link to the source in the footnote, as well as a discussion in other footnotes that animals including Bart have in the past been nominated for Oscars but cannot actually win them because they are not humans. I've copied and pasted the relevant quotes from the source here:

“Bart the bear holds an envelope naming a winner at the 1998 Academy Awards. Bart himself was once nominated to receive an Oscar for The Bear. In that movie Bart had to be gentle to another bear’s cub. (Most bears are too aggressive to do so.) That’s as close as any animal has ever come to winning an Oscar. Animal actors are classified as props, not characters.”- National Geographic World, May 1999

This is from a hardcopy issue of Nat Geo World that is not available online, however the quote was copied and pasted to a Nat Geo website along with a number of other relevant quotes. National Geographic is a respected source and therefore the material is supported and should not just be deleted from an article.

Please note that the source refers to Bart's nomination and not any nominations for the movie, its editing, or anything else. I also moved the Nat Geo support footnote up to the lede of the article so people can see easily that the information is sourced. It appears however that the editors making these deletions do not even check to see the source and just decide on their own that the information is inaccurate. As the claim is sourced I do not see any basis for deleting it from the article, and am reverting these deletions. TheBlinkster (talk) 16:04, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

I did some more research on this to see if any more information was out there, particularly in the wake of the Uggie the dog Oscar nomination campaign and the recent book on Rin Tin Tin that discussed his almost winning an Oscar. I ended up finding a second article in the Salt Lake City Tribune that said Bart the Bear was nominated for an Oscar, so now there are two print sources confirming it and nothing I could find from the Academy explicitly denying that it happened. Bart's nomination not appearing on the list of actor nominations seems in keeping with the story reported in Nat Geo that Bart got a nomination from some source, but it was precluded from going any further because as an animal he could not actually win the Oscar. I have added the new SL Tribune source and added the word "reportedly" to the Oscar discussion. Bottom line is that this Oscar nomination story is in two reliable sources, and there seems to be no source saying it didn't happen, not even in the Uggie Oscar nomination stories. Therefore, as it is supported by reliable sources, there is no basis for deleting it from the article. (As a side note, the Oscar nomination claim is also made on Bart the Bear's official website, which I did not cite as being a primary source - but it seems weird that the Academy, who clearly knows who Bart and Doug Seus are, since they even appeared on an awards show broadcast, would let someone persist in making this claim for literally years if it didn't happen.) TheBlinkster (talk) 14:15, 8 November 2015 (UTC)