Talk:Bacău County

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Khoikhoi, I don't think 1% of the population can be called a "large population". :-) bogdan 16:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

BTW, what 2002 census is this article reffering to, cause according to the romanian one (see http://www.edrc.ro/recensamant.jsp?regiune_id=1&judet_id=2 and http://nepszamlalas.adatbank.transindex.ro/?pg=9&id=17) csangos and hungarians hardly made up 5.000 in this county, far from the around 10% or 51130 people this article claims Anonimu 20:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

In this case I agree with the Romanian contributors, since the reasons for using the Hungarian names summarized at Talk:Harghita/Vote do not apply here (ie. traditional counties of Hungary ~ Romanian counties today, large minority groups, etc.). I don't think that "Bákó megye" would mean anything to anyone, be it a historian or an ethnic Hungarian in Romania. Maybe we should add the Hungarian names of the cities that have one (Iasi - Jászváros, Bacau - Bákó, etc). Vay 21:47, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I'll remove it, because it was never part of Hungary. --Khoikhoi 22:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

the only county outside

"One characteristic of the county is the presence of an important Hungarian population - the only county outside the Carpathian Arch to have traditional Hungarians." This is not true because there are some villages in Vrancea County, and in there is an important hungarian comunity in Neamţ County, Szabofalva-Săbăoani, where come a hungarian writers too. Szabofalva is the capital of northern csangos!!!!!— Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.146.75.26 (talk • contribs) 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Bacău & Bákó

Dear Authors,

I added the Hungarian name of the county (judeţ) after reading many of the ethnic names for different Romanian counties. I think it should be shown because it is referred to as such in the Hungarian media, in Hungary and among the ethinc Hungarians in Romania as well.

Until 1989, most Hungarian names for Geographical subjects in non-Transylvanian Romania were not in use - it was the consequence of the policy of the socialist government in Hungary. Since then, these terms became common. There is a consensus amongst Hungarians, that the correct Hungarian equivalent for 'judeţ Bacău' is 'Bákó megye'.

I couldn't find other ethnic names for the county, but since there are many minorities in Romania, it is possible that others exist, and should be added.

Timur Lenk

This is English Wikipedia Anonimu 16:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

See for example: Gyula (Romanian: Giula) is a town in Békés county (Romanian: Judeţul Bichiş). It is an English article, too.

So what ? Anonimu 11:21, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

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Hungarian name in lead

I would remove it for three reasons:

• Self-declared Hungarians are a very small part of the population, under 1%.
• Ever since its creation under Alexandru Ion Cuza in 1864, the county has only been part of Romania, and has only had one official language. (A small part was in Austria-Hungary, in Csík County, and that is noted in the appropriate places.)
• We don’t supply Hungarian names for Romanian counties with much more significant Hungarian populations (e.g. Arad, Bistrița-Năsăud, Maramureș), again on the principle that these are creations of the Romanian state with no other official language. — Biruitorul ^Talk 09:53, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Csángó and other Hungarian presence in Bacău County is minimal nowadays. Sure, we may have Hungarian names for some places in the county, but for the county itself it's excessive. Super Ψ Dro 14:05, 17 December 2021 (UTC)

Agree. The name of the county also has a historical significance, most likely being the only county in Moldavia region with a Hungarian equivalent. But if the English Wikipedia proceeds according to the number of inhabitants and not other ways, then the information is useless. I was rather confused by the messages above in the section Talk:Bacău County#Bacău & Bákó, where the user Anonimu responded very childishly and simplistically to a request to add the name.--Kun Kipcsak (talk) 08:43, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

The number of Hungarians in a Romanian county shouldn't be a determining factor to decide whether a Hungarian name stays or remains, but in this case, barely around 0.80% of the population of the county is Hungarian (self-declaredly, at least). Historical relevance is another factor, and I could agree if Csángós were exclusive to Bacău County, but per this image [1], they are also present in a few other Moldavian counties. Where do we draw the line? Do we add a Hungarian name only for the Bacău County? Why not the others? And if we do this, should we add names in other languages for every county in Romania with a small ethnic minority? Do we add a Hungarian name for Suceava County too for the Székelys of Bukovina? Do we add a Croatian name for Caraș-Severin County for the Krashovani? Do we also add Romanian names for all Hungarian counties bordering Romania? I think that the status quo, in which the presence of Hungarians is acknowledged all over Transylvania but is given less relevance outside, is good enough already and avoids setting potentially problematic precedents. Alternative names in other languages are rare for provinces and similar articles anyway in Wikipedia. Super Ψ Dro 13:45, 18 December 2021 (UTC)

• • For counties specifically, I would feature Hungarian names only where the Hungarian language has co-official status: Harghita, Covasna, Mureș, Satu Mare, Bihor, Sălaj.
  • For cities, towns, communes, I favor a much more lenient approach: anywhere that used to be part of the Kingdom of Hungary plus, on a case-by-case basis, places in the Romanian Old Kingdom where the Hungarian name is plausibly relevant. That basically means Csángó-affiliated areas. For example if the census records 99% Catholics somewhere, the Hungarian name is likely important, even if the same 99% declare as Romanians. — Biruitorul ^Talk 14:08, 18 December 2021 (UTC)