Talk:Argentine Army

Missing heading

We should summarize the organization section, and move the rest to Structure of the Argentine Army. Ditto for history, when it's completed. Does anyone know where we can get images of the rank insignia? I'm working on getting the service emblems right now, starting with the Army. --Jpbrenna 4 July 2005 05:54 (UTC) P.S. -- I didn't delete the order of battle and Chiefs info, just moved them to new, separate articles. You can navigate to them from the template.

Ranks

http://www.ejercito.mil.ar/index_ppal.asp

30mm cannon (Dispute tag)

The following was posted to my talk page, which I am reposting here for further comments:

Hello,

Currently, there is a personal project ongoing regarding military research. The proliferation of weaponry between countries sometimes gives indication on how well relations are between seller and buyer nations. The more modern the armament sold, the more it appears to be from closer ties.

With South America, it's been noted that they have been forced to buy obsolote or even WW-II vintage weaponry, partially due to limited funding. During the Cold-War era, it appeared they chose to deal with NATO countries versus the Soviet-bloc as Cuba did.

The information on the Argentinian armed forces is very useful, though noted to be estimates. It appears that ties between Argentina and Germany remain strong after it's reunification.

It is hard to fantom how they have a 30-mm anti-air artillery piece which is either Nazi German equipment or proprietary Russian. This is not nearly as popular as the 23-mm and 57-mm variants used world-wide. It is especially hard to envision, when indications are that the more available Swiss "Oerlikon" 35-mm GDF modernized variants (like the Gephard self-propelled or the towed pieces combined with the Skyguard control) could be purchased - the latter in use by Canada.

It appears the only other country with 30-mm AA cannon is Greece with their Artemis. So drawing conclusions, either one of the following must be occuring:

A. The information is faulty B. They are purchasing uncommon 30-mm diameter ammo from the Germans, Russians or Greeks while other nations do not. C. They are using captured pieces or early WW-II vintage AA guns

En summa, while I am not familiar with the process of making an updated entry within Wikipedia, it stands to reason that a footnote taking exception with the data should be made.

Truly,

RancerDS

Does anyone have further information about this? --Hansnesse 23:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Researching the matter further, I note that the information was added by an unregistered person [1], with some pretty substantial contributions in military articles: contributions here. The article on [Argentine ground forces in the Falklands War] also notes the use of 8 "30 mm Hispano Suiza guns" which appears to be a type of anti-aircraft gun (?). --Hansnesse 23:31, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, Argentina had, and in some form still has, a close relationship with Germany; the federal government helped numerous nazi officials and scientists hiding them in the country, many of our cities have close ties with German culture and traditions, even our first Director of National Intelligence was a German citizen. I'm not a military history expert, but probably the Argentine Army is using German materials and guns. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:54, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

The 30 mm Hispano Suiza apparently is an anti-aircraft gun, but I don't know if the Argentine Army is still using it. Here is a photo. --OneEuropeanHeart 05:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

The 30 mm Hispano Suiza is an anti-aircraft gun, and the Argentine Army is still using it. Please see the following link to the official Artillery Branch webpage of the Argentine Army website [2], where it's listed as "Cañón antiaéreo 30 mm L 81,6".
Up to what I know, the gun is from cold war era (not ex-WW2 german nor russian), so neither conclussions "A", "B", or "C" are correct. I guess there should be no dispute regarding this gun being in the inventory of the Argentine Army, I'll try to further research it and if possible create a stub article on this gun (it is not mentioned in the "Hispano Suiza" wiki-article). Regards, DPdH (talk) 13:09, 7 December 2007 (UTC) .

First Latin American army with parachutists

Someone please add this information to the article: 1 and 2. Thanks. --OneEuropeanHeart 06:05, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

A new special operations force?

Currently we have 7 articles about Argentine special forces: APBT, APCA, CC 601, CC 602, RAA 601, FDR, and GOE, but googling some terms I noticed theres lot of info about a suppossed new special operations force in the Army: the Agrupación de Fuerzas para Operaciones Especiales (Special Operations Forces Group, AFOE). Anyone knows if this is true? I'll try to find some official data about this, but probably we'll need a merge between CC 601, CC 602, and RAA 601. Cheers. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:39, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Information confirmed, the new unit was created the December 6th, 2005 as the first operational element of the Proyecto Ejército Argentino 2025, and consists of the CC 601, CC 602, and RAA 601 [3] [4] [5]. Soon I'll create the article. --OneEuropeanHeart 03:47, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The article has been created. --OneEuropeanHeart 04:10, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Would you consider merge all those dozen stub articles into one Argentine Army special forces (or something) with some background, timeline, etc ? --Jor70 14:56, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Civil wars

Argentina never faced a civil war, the article refers to the wars against crown forces not to a civil war. I'm gonna change this, and before someone revert it consider that there never been a civil war. 190.49.131.91 16:01, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

With Civil wars the article refers to the wars between 'Argentine' forces; mainly, between Federales and Unitarios, years after the independence from Spain. --Mariano(t/c) 16:50, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree, the situation between "Federales" and "Unitarios" can be coonsidered a de-facto civil war, although I've never seen it in that way in the argentinian history books that I was able to read. Regards, DPdH (talk) 15:44, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Recent Anonymous Edits

The recent inventory changes are dubious (and wrong in the case of Super Pumas and Zhi-11) so if there are not new references given we should revert all to 14:11, 3 April 2007 or at least remove the World Military Aircraft Inventory", Aerospace Source Book 2007, Aviation Week & Space Technology, January 15, 2007 reference link and add a {{cn}} Jor70 14:43, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

CITER 155mm L33 Gun entry

I renamed the entry acording the teminology used in the official website of the Artillery Branch of the Argentine Army (http://www.artilleria.ejercito.mil.ar/quees/ac/subsistema01.htm). Also created a link ti a future wiki-article specific on this gun, I need to do some research first.
My apologies, I've forgot to sign that change! DPdH (talk) 12:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

M-101 & M-114 Gun entries

I provided links to the US howitzers with that denomination, assuming that they're th eactual model used by the Argentine Army. My online research didn't find evidence in contrary, however I'd appreciate if any other editor can validate my assumption. Thanks and regards, DPdH (talk) 15:52, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Images - not from Argentina

Sorry, but am I the only one to recognize that some of the images in this article clearly DO NOT picture soldiers and equipment from Argentina? These are images from the French Armée de Terre. Just take a look at the uniform pattern...... Greetings —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.69.162 (talk) 15:26, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Las imágenes NO pertenecen al Ejercito Argentino, es poco serio hacer las cosas asi. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.173.80.3 (talk) 19:49, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Several of these images are unsourced and are liable to be speedy deleted from Commons at any time. I'm no expert on military uniforms, but I do see what appears to be a NATO patch on this soldier's arm. Coupled with the complaints here, I'm willing to bet that at least some of these images do not depict Argentine men and equipment as claimed. As such I have removed all images that are liable to be deleted through lack of source.

One further image was, I felt, suspect, but did not fall into this category. This article claimed that this was an Argentine plane, but that claim is not repeated on the image page, nor on the quoted source page. As such, I do not believe the assertion that the plane is Argentine holds up, and as such I have removed the image. Pfainuk talk 20:16, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Obviously is an usaf plane, the HW tail code (for Howard AFB) is easily seen --Jor70 (talk) 14:19, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear Wikipedians, I notice that still several images do NOT depict equipment as in service with the Argentine Army (e.g.: vehicles in civil livery, or in service with other armies, or in museums). As this is an article about the Argentine Army, all images should relate directly to this specific entity. I'll request some relevant images to replace the wrong ones; if this is not possible will remove those images not clearly representing Argentine Army assets. Regards,DPdH (talk) 08:00, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

UNSOURCED quantities for "Equipment" inventory

I don't have at hand a "verifiable" reference, however some of the numbers cited in "Equipment" seem plainly wrong. Eg: the "Patagon" tank was cancelled after a few (around 4?) were built, the CALA 30 gun is not yet in full production AFAIK, and the AMX F3 SP gun inventory usually was quoted as 24 units. So unless someone can provide "verifiable", reputable sources for all the numbers mentioned, I'll remove them from the text in some weeks.
Kind regards, DPdH (talk) 10:46, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Please note: I've just compared the latest version with the one of 2009-11-06 and the numbers have been quite "inflated". DPdH (talk) 11:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

After so long this is still the case... Can anyone please help? Thanks, DPdH (talk) 08:01, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Name

What is the evidence that it was called the Argentine Army before the inception of the Argentine Republic in 1853? This has nothing to do with the "official" foundation date. The name of the country immediately after declaring independence was the United Provinces of South America. It is beyond belief that a country would call one of its new institutions by a name other than the name of the country. So where is the evidence? Agent0060 15:22, 2 September 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Agent0060 (talk • contribs)

el Escudo del Ejercito Argentino

where is written "nacio con la patria" the correct traduction to english is "was born with the fatherland" because the word "patria" mean "father" not mother —Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.253.118.46 (talk) 12:09, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

That was I was about to say. I'm changing it.190.224.86.136 (talk) 21:21, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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Potentially unbalanced "History" section

Hi wikipedians, I've been reading this article a couple times, and to me seems that the sub-sections dealing with the "Dirty War" are much longer that the other sub-sections together. As an example, there is only 1 sentence devoted to the participation of the Army in the "Falklands War". Unless there is a sound reason not to proceed, I'll try to make this whole section a bit more balanced reducing the length of some subsections and increasing others. This may take a bit of time... Regards, DPdH (talk) 04:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Army DHC-6 downed by the guerrillas?

In the "History" section there is a paragraph that, albeit cited, doesn't seem very precise:

On 5 January 1975, an Army DHC-6 transport plane was downed near the Monteros mountains, apparently shot down by Guerrillas.[5] All thirteen on board were killed. The military believe a heavy machine gun had downed the aircraft.[6]

AFAIK, the Argentine Army never had DHC-6 "Twin Otter" aircraft in their fleet, however the Argentine Air Force does. Can anyone please provide additional sources for this specific incident? Thanks & regards, DPdH (talk) 04:50, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Faltan regimientos históricos

Como ser: "Blandengues", "Pardos y Morenos" y otros — Preceding unsigned comment added by 181.47.230.163 (talk) 00:18, 2 February 2019 (UTC)

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