Talk:Angkasawan program

Criticism

please talk about the material that used in aeroispace technloogy and the characteristic. It is a sad fact that only an Australian (or other foreigners) can publish valid criticisms of such boondoggles like the Malaysian Space Program, while Malaysians have to settle for blogs and the like. His criticism has been echoed by many Malaysians and his articles have been widely circulated here in Malaysia. There is no need to put the qualier "in Australia".

Do not expect the government mouthpieces like the The Star or The New Straits Times to publish anything but flattering articles about our Malaysian version of "Homer" in space.--Epanterias amplexus 11:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• Well I understand that, but this is an encyclopedia, and we need verifiable sources. The fact that an Australian editorialist expresses this opinion is no proof of widespread criticism to the mission in Malaysia. Hektor 11:20, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

• So noted. The statement as it is correct and backed up with a verifiable and respected source. The point is not to imply that there is widespread criticism but there are some dissent / disagreement over the purpose and cost of the program. To put the qualifier "in Australia" is unnecessary and serves only to politically diminish the significance of the criticism. --Epanterias amplexus 11:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. If the only references you can find to cricitism of the space programme are from Australians, then this is all you can claim. Accuracy is needed. You cannot claim something has been cricitised by someone if you cannot find a reliable source to support this claim. In wikipedia, it is important to emphasise who is criticising something. Saying something has been criticised, without saying WHO has criticised it, is not particularly encylopaedic. In any case, I highly doubt the only source criticising the project would be from Australia if there is really widespread criticism of it. Has the issue has never came up in Malaysiakini or been raised by someone like Lim Kit Siang? So far, all you have is one reference which criticises the programme. This reference doesn't even assert there is widespread criticism, indeed, if you read it, it asserts there is little criticism because Malaysians are too brain-washed to ever think wrong of the government. If this is the only source you can find criticising the programme, then I think it is important to emphasise that, as I have done. If you can find more sources, you're welcome to add them and adjust the wording accordinglyNil Einne 08:59, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that we have here a one-person wiki-campaign against the Malaysian space program. See also the article Malaysian National Space Agency. Hektor 16:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Is thats supposed to demean and insult me? Two entries hardly make a campaign. No matter, just getting putting the facts out there. Lim Kit Siang has mentioned it in his blog as does another blog (among several dozen others). Malaysiakini online is a paysite (for search etc.) so I can't research there yet. As for opposition questions in Dewan Rakyat criticizing the program, fat chance NST or the Star will publish anything I can link to (no, I don't think the proceedings transcripts are online). I'll try follow up on this. --Epanterias amplexus 02:51, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

If Lim Kit Siang did criticise the program in parliament, you can find the records in the parliament hansard which is available online. Sharizals 18:16, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

• People criticize NASA for wasting money too; does that invalidate the program? We could go through many different government projects and find critics. Taka2007 18:05, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Astronaut or Cosmonaut

Can you guys make up your mind? Is this guy an astronaut or cosmonaut? --Epanterias amplexus 03:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Astronaut is the term used by Americans, as Cosmonaut is used by Russians. They're actually the same thing. We have to figure out whether Astronaut and Cosmonaut refers to the 'spacemen' of each country, therefore meaning we can't use either? But I suggest that Cosmonaut is used, since it IS a Russian Space Program. Luzzio 21:40, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

In other words, this Malaysian "angkasawan" is also called as an astronaut in American an Cosmonaut in Russia, and all carries the meaning of a "space man" Ryan_darknight 12.13, March 24 2007

I think the big hold up is NASA, with the Russian's tagging along. The NASA astronaut corp might somehow feel slighted by these up-and-coming nations getting a little limelight for their nations. The fact of the matter is that these "space flight participants" will have more space time than some early US astronauts. NASA needs swallow it's pride and get over the fact that it may well be relying on the Russians for space transportation between 2011 and 2015. Taka2007 17:54, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

This space-going Malaysian is officially called an "angkasawan". Similarly, you won't catch the Russians using the word "astronaut" to refer to their space-faring individuals. They use the term "cosmonaut". China use the term "taikonaut". No big deal, it is up to the countries to call their astronaut/cosmonaut/angkasawan/taikonaut what they want.

Plural for angkasawan is angkasawan-angkasawan, though I imagine that angkasawans or Malaysian astronauts will be more widely used when there are more than one to talk about. Taka2007 17:57, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Moscow says NO to teh-tarik experiments

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's been said that instead of pulling teh-tarik in space, Dr Muszaphar will be conducting serious experiments planned by a few Malaysian University bodies. I'm adding that. Luzzio 21:45, 19 December 2006 (UTC)luzzio

Date is actually December 18 (the day of the news report in the star, we can't tell when he actually said that to the Star reporter, just the day the news was published). Who says our dear old angkasawan won't still be pulling teh tarik and main gasing in space? :) :) :) --Epanterias amplexus 06:15, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Eh? I thought the Star Report wrote clearly that there'd be no pulling teh-tarik. Though that's quite questionable considering the fact that they're 'testing' the characteristics of 'liquid' in zero-gravity. And yeah, it was only stated that 'teh-tarik pulling' will not happen, though they never said anything about the other's not happening. Perhaps they're just saying it in general? Luzzio 11:17, 20 December 2006 (UTC)Luzzio

Yeah, pulling teh-tarik would make quite a mess. Still if someone can come up with a solution, it would be worthwhile. Taka2007 17:50, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Tenses

Moved article from future to past tense, with regard to the above thread can someone find out what experiments were actually carried out rather than what was planned. Two days before launch CNN had it down to "During his 12-day space trip, Shukor is to study of the effects of microgravity and space radiation on cells and microbes, as well as experiments with proteins for a potential HIV vaccine." [1] but I haven't been able to find a report on what was actually carried out yet, thanks. KTo288 (talk) 21:08, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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