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Fly agaric

Does any one know how this fungus got its common name "fly agaric"? If so, it could go in the article. Vorbee (talk) 07:58, 25 September 2018 (UTC)

Possible popular culture section

Well, it looks like the IP hopper is nothing but a troll (assuming they have a triple digit IQ).

Still, even though I generally dislike pop culture sections (as they tend to devolve into unsource lists with the occasional paragraph of fancruft), I could see reason to include sourced discussion of Amanita muscaria being the inspiration for the mushroom in Mario if reliable sources documented it. I doubt we're going to get Nintendo (the Disney of Japan) releasing an official statement saying "yep, Mario's a head, dudes," but I could imagine there being an academic or journalistic source saying "yeah, that's totally it."

Doing a quick glance, I see this history of video games from Feiwel & Friends (a division of Macmillan Publishers) saying "The Super Mushrooms in Mario are based on a fungi called Amanita muscaria." This piece from The Burlington Free Press says that Amanita muscaria is the mushroom from not only Mario, but the Smurfs and Alice and Wonderland.

I'm heading out and working on other stuff when I get back, otherwise I'd look further into it. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:11, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

I already included material in the last bit of the Cultural depictions section. I might expand though. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:57, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

Should we also add that the mushroom emoji (https://emojipedia.org/mushroom/ 🍄) is modeled after this kind of mushroom? Yegle (talk) 19:54, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

It obviously is but can you find a reliable source stating that? If so then yes, add away. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:08, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Adding one more Variant into text

Amanita muscaria var. aureola

I would like to add Amanita muscaria var. aureola into text. Its is still missing, and i made good photo of mushroom. Its very similar to Amanita muscaria var. muscaria but has white circular wrapper, which is clearly visible.[1]. After what i could make FP nomination, must be used before. --PetarM (talk) 17:33, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Pinging Peter G Werner, Michaelll from WikiProject Fungi. --PetarM (talk) 17:50, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I am surprised I had not heard of it. Mycobank says it is legitimate, so add away. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:13, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

Cas Liber so ...should someone input with some relevant description. --PetarM (talk) 10:08, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Why not have a go yourself. I can clean up formatting later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:15, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

Cas Liber i added, could You check now. --PetarM (talk) 16:04, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

That looks fine...but needs a citation. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:36, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Cas Liber i know, but i dont have that books they mention. I can just apply (reference) Slovenian site. Trying to find some english description or similar site. --PetarM (talk) 07:13, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

There has to be a journal or book somewhere....will have a look soon too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:36, 19 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi. What happened to Amanita muscaria var. aureola ? RhinoMind (talk) 05:42, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Reindeer "Processing"

The article states "Dr Patrick Harding describes the laplander custom of processing the fly agaric through reindeer.[63]"

This intrigued me, so I went to the cited source to see what it meant. The professor says nothing about reindeer processing the fungus. He talks about people drinking the urine of shamen to get the hallucinogen because they weren't important enough to get the actual mushroom. He also said that reindeer would consume human urine for the same purpose. He does not say that people consumed reindeer urine.

My suggestion would be to rewrite the sentence to reflect what the cited source actually said. Dkelber (talk) 19:41, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Processing fly agaric through reindeer

"Dr Patrick Harding describes the Sami custom of processing the fly agaric through reindeer."

I watched the video used as a source for this claim and while he does talk about using the mushroom for attracting reindeer I didn't hear anything about reindeer "processing" it beyond consumption. Unless I've missed something the phrasing is misleading. 2604:CA00:1EB:91FD:0:0:460:819B (talk) 19:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Amanita muscaria in The Garden of Earthly Delights?

Can anyone point me where exactly Amanita Muscaria mushroom is visible on the "left-hand panel of the work" of the "The Garden of Earthly Delights"? Am I blind? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.22.161.168 (talk) 10:50, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I don't see it either Cioriolio (talk) 14:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

FAR notice

It seems to me that a lot of sketchy information and outright pseudoscience has been added since this article was elevated to WP:FA 16 years ago. It's worth reviewing to remove possible bad content, or barring that, lower this article's grading. Peter G Werner (talk) 04:42, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

@Peter G Werner: Would you be interested in bringing this to WP:FAR? Sometimes listing articles there encourages others to address the concerns. Also, can you outline examples of pseudoscience that is present in the article, to help editors who are bad at biology know what needs to be reviewed? Thanks! Z1720 (talk) 17:22, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

I could do that. I think it's not so much 'pseudo-science' as 'pseudo-history' and 'pseudo-ethnology' that's the problem here. Long sections making claims about this species role in world religions that are actually pretty thin on actual evidence. Also, claims about Amanita muscaria symbolism being the origin of Santa Claus myths, which are speculative at best. Peter G Werner (talk) 21:39, 14 October 2022 (UTC)

@Peter G Werner: Thanks for outlining the concerns above. Can I recommend that you bring this to FAR, since you are the one who brought up the concerns? This would allow you to more effectively outline the concerns in the review (as oppposed to someone like me, who is not great at reviewing biology articles). The instructions on how to bring an article to FAR are at WP:FAR and feel free to ping me if you have any questions. Z1720 (talk) 14:14, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Casliber have you seen this? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:10, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

No I hadn't. Agreed probably needs a look over definitely. Some claims, although false are notable, so will need some rebuffing/contextualisation rather than removal. I'll take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:46, 10 June 2023 (UTC)