Talk:Amalgamation of Toronto

Nice map

The animated map looks very good. Scarborough got shafted, but that's okay, it's only a map...lol Blackjays1 (talk) 11:55, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

Let's amalgamate

If Chicago amalgamated with Cook and Dupage Counties, Chicago's population would jump to 7 million residents. If Atlanta amalgamated with the closer-in suburbs, it's population would jump from 500,000 to 3.7 million, making it the third largest city in the USA. If Phoenix and Maricopa County merged, Phoenix's population would surge close to LA's at 3.8 million. If Houston affixed its suburbs, its population would rocket at 5 million.

My question is, if Toronto amalgamated with its suburbs, how can it have a Metro population. Before the 1998 amalgamation, Toronto's inner city population was about 700,000 with a metro area of about 2.5 million. After the amalgamation, toronto's population went to 2.5 million with a metro population of 5 million. Where did those other 2.5 million people come from? Is the entire province of Ontario included in Toronto's metra area? Do they include Buffalo? --MarioSmario (talk) 16:59, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Immigration and natural population growth. The Greater Toronto Area adds nearly 100,000 people per year to its net population, or about 2 million over the past two decades. What were once exurbs, divided from Toronto by open space, are now suburbs whose communities are now adjacent to it (the regions of York, Peel, and Durham, which includes some of the fastest-growing municipalities in Canada, including Markham, Vaughan, Richmond Hill, Mississauga, and Brampton). No, it doesn't include Buffalo. The Greater Golden Horseshoe is a broader urban area, which also includes the nearby municipalities of Kitchener, Cambridge, Waterloo, Guelph etc, and a total population exceeding 8 million (yes, really). Statistics Canada will be releasing the results of the Canada 2011 Census in two days, so these figures will be updated soon.

Why do you find it surprising that the Toronto area has grown so much? BTW: the answers to the questions you asked are already contained in the appropriate articles about Toronto, the Greater Toronto Area, the Golden Horseshoe, and Ontario. Mindmatrix 20:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

The preceding response is utter nonsense, marked by an odd form of canadian exceptionalism that has emerged lately. --MarioSmario (talk) 23:28, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Ah, I see. You weren't looking for an answer, just a reason to berate the responder. For your edification, Metropolitan Toronto was not the "metro area" per se, and certainly not equivalent to the metropolitan areas used for statistical purposes in the USA. It was a level of government representing six constituent municipalities (previously suburbs in the late 1800s and early 1900s). Old Toronto was just 97.15 square kilometres (37.51 sq mi), and it amalgamated with the five boroughs:

• East York (21.26 square kilometres (8.21 sq mi))
• Etobicoke (123.93 square kilometres (47.85 sq mi))
• North York (176.87 square kilometres (68.29 sq mi))
• Scarborough (187.70 square kilometres (72.47 sq mi))
• York (23.18 square kilometres (8.95 sq mi))

So, the current city has an area of 630 square kilometres (240 sq mi). By comparison, Phoenix has an area of 517.948 square miles (1,341.48 km²) and Houston an area of 601.3 square miles (1,557 km²). The metropolitan area of Toronto is not truly comparable to those of Phoenix or Houston, as the MSA and CSA used in the US are not equivalent to the CMA used in Canada. The Toronto CMA has a population of 5,583,064 and an area of 5,905.71 square kilometres (2,280.21 sq mi); the Houston MSA has a population of 5,946,800 and an area of 10,062 square miles (26,060 km²); Phoenix seems to have one urban core (hence no CSA), and its MSA has a population of 4,192,887 (I can't seem to find its area). These numbers better reflect the level of urbanisation of each of those cities. Mindmatrix 06:36, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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