Talk:Alfried Krupp Institute for Advanced Study
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NPOV edit
This article is about the Institute, not about the person for whom it is named. It's true that this person was one whose memory many people might feel was not appropriate to honor in this way. The only way to say this in a Wikipedia article is not to editorialize, but, if there should be protests that are reported in reliable sources, to include content about them. DGG ( talk ) 21:35, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard#Alfried Krupp Institute for Advanced Study. DGG ( talk ) 20:36, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
Criminal against humanity: Alfried Krupp edit
Fine, if that is not important to mention that the patron after which an institution is named was a convicted criminal community. That is how silent Holocaust denial works. Acc. to some, NOVP means that this kind of information should be not flagged up. The institution bearing the name of such a criminal against humanity takes care not to mention this fact on its website and in its promotional material. After a decade or two, daring to mention the fact that its patron was a criminal against humanity becomes a serious faux pas. General public seeing that 'even professors' are fine with criminals against humanity as their lode star, began loudly questioning the past. As a result, Hitler may be seen as a 'great leader and economist who solved the problem of interwar Germany's unemployment,' while Stalin as the 'great modernizer of Bolshevik Russia.' In this manner, loud Holocaust denial has already become the norm. The ground is ripe for another genocide. The appeal of 'Lest we forget' amounted to a naught.Hyrdlak (talk) 20:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)Hyrdlak
- This is just a rant. Do you have a Wikipedia policy reason for suggesting a relationship between this organization and the Holocaust that occurred a half-century before its creation? O3000 (talk) 16:18, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- You may choose to label a fact you do not like a 'rant.' Do you have any proof that AK was not a 'criminal against humanity'? Furthermore, can you point to any document or website section as created and maintained by the Institute in question, in which this Institute makes it known that their patron was a criminal against humanity? To my knowledge they do not advertise this fact, hence they hide it. It is tantamount to Holocuast denial, which you prefer to call 'Holocaust connection.' It was you who first changed and then progressively erased this vital information from the article about this Institute.Hyrdlak (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Hyrdlak
- What are you talking about? I have stated outright in the article that he was convicted of such. But, he died decades before this organization was created. And making false claims of Holocaust denial trivializes the Holocaust. Show me anywhere that this organization has denied the existence of the Holocaust. You have not found one other editor that agrees with your changes. You must stop edit-warring and making false accusations of Holocaust denial. O3000 (talk) 19:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK, have it your way, that is, Wikipedia's supposed objectivity (NPOV) in the service of Holocaust denial. You propose that now it is fine to name public institutions in a liberal democracy after a convicted nazi criminal against humanity, when he has been dead for a couple of decades. This means, that soon we can have other institutions named after other nazi criminals against humanity convicted in the Nuremberg trials, be it Martin Bormann, Hans Frank, or Hermann Göring. You open the dam with 'NPOV,' and then there will not be any stopping. And of course, it will not be any Holocaust denial, like it is not in the case of this Greifswald institute. Obviously, the NPOV does not cover the victims, only safely excludes them from the view. Hyrdlak (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Hyrdlak
- You are violating WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. I don't see any source that says the institute was/is involved with Holocaust denial. Your additions about what the institute "doesn't mention" is a clear example of WP:SYNTH. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:10, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
- OK, have it your way, that is, Wikipedia's supposed objectivity (NPOV) in the service of Holocaust denial. You propose that now it is fine to name public institutions in a liberal democracy after a convicted nazi criminal against humanity, when he has been dead for a couple of decades. This means, that soon we can have other institutions named after other nazi criminals against humanity convicted in the Nuremberg trials, be it Martin Bormann, Hans Frank, or Hermann Göring. You open the dam with 'NPOV,' and then there will not be any stopping. And of course, it will not be any Holocaust denial, like it is not in the case of this Greifswald institute. Obviously, the NPOV does not cover the victims, only safely excludes them from the view. Hyrdlak (talk) 13:58, 13 March 2020 (UTC)Hyrdlak
- What are you talking about? I have stated outright in the article that he was convicted of such. But, he died decades before this organization was created. And making false claims of Holocaust denial trivializes the Holocaust. Show me anywhere that this organization has denied the existence of the Holocaust. You have not found one other editor that agrees with your changes. You must stop edit-warring and making false accusations of Holocaust denial. O3000 (talk) 19:05, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- You may choose to label a fact you do not like a 'rant.' Do you have any proof that AK was not a 'criminal against humanity'? Furthermore, can you point to any document or website section as created and maintained by the Institute in question, in which this Institute makes it known that their patron was a criminal against humanity? To my knowledge they do not advertise this fact, hence they hide it. It is tantamount to Holocuast denial, which you prefer to call 'Holocaust connection.' It was you who first changed and then progressively erased this vital information from the article about this Institute.Hyrdlak (talk) 18:55, 12 March 2020 (UTC)Hyrdlak