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Requested move 24 July 2018

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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 02:01, 1 August 2018 (UTC)

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Ahiravan → Ahiravana – Ahiravana is a sanskritham name & this variation is specific to a few languages & not reflective of the character's actual name nor the naming conventions of the characters in that language/era.It would be misleading to rename this character with a modern name that is not the original name.His brother is named Ravana, & he is named Ahiravana.The pronunciation is reflected in the Indian script in which this name is written where there is an -a at the end. Schwa deletion (the rule of not pronouncing the last vowel) does not exist in Sanskritham. 174.44.177.134 (talk) 16:23, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

"Ahiravan" seems more common than "Ahiravana" with a google search. Please cite sources for your assertions. Jim1138 (talk) 02:04, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

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You can see Ravana, his brother's name's spelling, and see the rest. It is simple Ravana with ahi added in the front. here's a book: https://books.google.com/books?id=GSwbBQAAQBAJ&pg=PT42&lpg=PT42&dq=ahiravana&source=bl&ots=EwXm0wZSug&sig=Wf2KavMDvQK5nf2WH550HUDgB5Q&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaqaGJmdXcAhWuq1kKHSymCUgQ6AEwIHoECBMQAQ#v=onepage&q=ahiravana&f=false

that preserves the proper transliteration.

and another. https://books.google.com/books?id=ZMgclIr9aeEC&pg=PA196&lpg=PA196&dq=ahiravana&source=bl&ots=YONaU0B_2q&sig=Xw5GiwvMjX3U_bBFLDkmWLYtZzw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiaqaGJmdXcAhWuq1kKHSymCUgQ6AEwIXoECBAQAQ#v=onepage&q=ahiravana&f=false

keep in mind that the google search results reflect a representation of a singular language/region's variation of the original name. If this were a Hindi/Punjabi/Bengali etc. wiki then Ahiravan or whatever variation would make sense, but this isn't. This is talking about the original historical character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.177.134 (talk) 05:40, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

अहिरावण- this is Devanagari, the most prevalent script used to write Sanskritham. ण-here is the ending letter ण-this translates as -na https://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/sanskrit_cons.gif here is an alphabet & transliteration of the alphabet. 3rd row, at the end is the -na letter. this word is spelled ahiravana, not ahiravan which would require something called a halantha, which would drop the ending -a sound. is this information sufficient? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.177.134 (talk) 05:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

About title

Actually, the article is about Mahiravan not Ahiravan. I made necessary edits. Please see if the title can be changed. Deepansambeg (talk) 16:45, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 14 September 2022

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The result of the move request was: moved back to the stable title, Ahiravan, to revert the undiscussed move. There is no consensus here on either the spelling issue or the primary-topic issue. No prejudice against speedy renomination. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 18:24, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

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Mahiravana (Ramayana) → Mahiravana – WP:PRECISE without brackets Redtigerxyz ^Talk 09:40, 10 September 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

This is a contested technical request (permalink). Dr. Vogel (talk) 12:35, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

This requires arguments that this Mahiravana is the primary topic, which should be accomplished in a formal RM. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:05, 10 September 2022 (UTC)

Pinging Redtigerxyz for awareness. -Kj cheetham (talk) 17:52, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

The only other article is about the film, and the film is about the ruler that the requested article is about. But I don't know if there's evidence that the film is more important than the person or vice versa. So probably RM as Mellohi suggested. Dr. Vogel (talk) 23:07, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose no evidence that there is a primary. In ictu oculi (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 12:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
• Support per WP:ONEOTHER. There are only two topics of interest, the mythical deity from Ramayana and the 1940 film about it (by the way, there is also the 2018 film Hanuman vs Mahiravana featuring the same deity). While the pageviews for either are not terribly high, the deity has apparently much longer historical significance. No such user (talk) 13:40, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Hinduism has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Jainism has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Mythology has been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 13:35, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

• Comment. This article was titled Ahiravan until 10 Sept. Station1 (talk) 19:12, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks Station1; in that case, restore to Ahiravan on principle (cf. c:cat:Ahiravan). However, I still think that Mahiravana should redirect here as the primary topic. No such user (talk) 07:04, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.