Talk:Adventure (Television album)

Protopunk v. Postpunk

Yes, punk is supposed to have started in 1977, making this album after punk... except that punk continued on for years. Television doesn't have much in common with the postpunk movement, which didn't really start until 1979 at least. I still think the band album should be listed as protopunk, due to their detachment yet contribution to punk. Folkor 16:12, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Punk didn't start in 1977 at all. Take a look at the Dictators,Ramones,Dead Boys all considerably active before 1977. Anyway Television was in the 'punk scene' as it were despite there music differing from well let's just say the ramones. I think proto-punk would be alright as well as any others you deem needed as you can use multiple genres.Case 21:02, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

You are quite correct. I just wanted to point out that even if punk had already started by 1978, the album could still be protopunk, as it could influence later punk. Also, it really is a bit too early to truly fit into postpunk... although it could. I just don't think so. I'm going to revert the postpunk back to protopunk, as I think that is more accurate. Folkor 22:35, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

The problem is encyclopedia consistency. The article on protopunk describes the genre's practitioners as such: Most protopunkers are Rock and Roll performers of the 1960s and early-1970s, though some earlier performers have been cited...Significant examples include Iggy Pop (Commonly nicknamed "The Grandfather of Punk" and claimed as influential by many early punk artists) and his band The Stooges, Alice Cooper, Pere Ubu, The MC5, The Velvet Underground, The Modern Lovers, T. Rex, and the New York Dolls. It would confuse the issue to call Television (a noted and seminal punk act) proto-punk, because proto-punk bands were, above all, _not punk rock bands_. Furthermore, it is silly to suggest that merely being influential on later punk-rock constitutes being "proto-punk", as even the likes of Green Day have influenced later groups identifying themselves as punk. Your revert stems, I suppose, from a literal parsing of the word 'protopunk', but demonstrates a misunderstanding of what the word actually denotes.--70.48.205.197 15:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, that makes sense. But the album isn't post-punk, either. I was hoping there was a better genre for them to fit into than just punk, but if that's the only thing that fits, so be it. Folkor 16:17, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed! (Although the page on postpunk cites Marquee Moon, the citation is kind of weak.) --70.50.76.196 21:49, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 07:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)