Talk:Above the Noise

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HAVE MCFLY ANNOUNCED THIS?

Introduction Issues: Self contradiction and sources??

The last part of the introduction paragraph has been badly written. It seems to be contradicting itself and raising issues which should be on the talk page? I also cant find half of what its talking about in the article and it lacks references. The section i am reffering to reads as follows:

Tom and Dougie confirmed the album's third single to be "That's The Truth" ,in a video posted to the group's Super City website. A new trailer for the SuperCity website confirmed the album's fourth single to be "I Need A Woman". However below it states that McFly are releasing a UK tour edition of the album, this hasn't been confirmed by McFly. It said 'Save Me' is a track but is just a version of Nowhere Left To Run which was later retitled to Nowhere Left To Run.

I cannot find this tour edition supposedly mentioned below or a track titled 'save me'. I realise these sections may have been moved/deleted. Therefore the introduction needs to be changed to reflect this. In short the introduction needs to be re-written to eliminate any self-contradiction and to acurately reflect the article below. References for what is re-written are also needed. I mention this on the talk page in the hope that someone with knowledge about Mcfly can rectify the issues. Unessential (talk) 18:15, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 12 August 2015

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The result of the move request was: moved. First, primary topic applies to music articles, and WP:NCM doesn't even try to claim otherwise, so I found that argument a bit bizarre. On to the bulk of the discussion, votes are split, but seeing as this is a simple primary topic question, it comes down to the criteria laid out there. The discussion has clearly shown that the McFly album meets the usage criterion and no-one has really tried to make a long-term significance argument. None of the oppose comments have attempted to address the primary topic criteria. The dab page has had some tangential entries added to it since this RM began so it will be moved to Above the Noise (disambiguation) rather than being deleted. Jenks24 (talk) 12:33, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

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Above the Noise (McFly album) → Above the Noise – Only two topics, and the other album is not the slightest bit notable (and, judging by the severe lack of information on their article, neither are the band). Unreal7 (talk) 22:17, 12 August 2015 (UTC) Relisted. Jenks24 (talk) 11:17, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose there is a third album by Jaime Jamgochian, and honestly none of the topics are the slightest bit notable for an encyclopedia. In ictu oculi (talk) 08:24, 13 August 2015 (UTC)
  • Existence does not equate notability - and that album is not notable. The McFly album is notable actually, please check before typing. Unreal7 (talk) 12:59, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
• Support per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Pretty clear primary topic, actually, judging by usage. Last month's views:

• McFly album: 1,114
• The Revolution Smile album: 86
• Jaime Jamgochian page: 128

So, 84% wanted the McFly album page. And that's assuming that everyone who went to the Jamgochian page was interested in their "Above the Noise" - so it's actually closer to 90%. For notability, please see WP:NOTABLE. Dohn joe (talk) 14:54, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

So 84% can read (McFly album), are they inconvenienced? Are those looking for Above the Noise (The Revolution Smile album)? No. So leave it as WP:SONGDAB says, we don't have to hide one album. Have just created Above the Noise (Jaime Jamgochian album) as redirect. In ictu oculi (talk) 16:26, 20 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per In ictu oculi, no need or value to the change. Pincrete (talk) 14:01, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

  User:Pincrete: what about WP:PRIMARYTOPIC? By having a clear primary topic point to a disambiguation page, we are inconveniencing the large majority of readers who are looking for the McFly album, when we could send them there directly. Dohn joe (talk) 15:34, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Yes, but naming should also identify the subject Bookends has about 700 views whereas Bookends has 6,600. It is customary with films, albums etc to identify them as such, and in this instance to say who the performer is. Pincrete (talk) 16:18, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

But there are literally thousands of films, albums, songs, books, etc. where we do not add disambiguation when there is a clear primary topic. Why treat this album differently? Dohn joe (talk) 19:31, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Really? As far as I know it is only a few Madonna and Britney products which contravene WP:NCM. There shouldn't be many other albums where we've done as is proposed here. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose per IIO & Pincrete - One album redirects to a band, The other looks non-notable (and should prrobably be sent to AFD!) and this simply looks non-notable too, As others have said there's no value or need to change it. –Davey2010^Talk 15:13, 26 August 2015 (UTC)
• Comment. The !votes based on non-notability (which appear to be all the !opposes) should probably be ignored. This album is obviously WP:NOTABLE, and if the other ones aren't, then that's even more reason for this one to be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Dohn joe (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

So only your opinion should be accounted? No. Albums having articles or not is something our volunteer workforce can decide. What is actually the majority subject, if there is one, in Books for any phrase is unaffected by our editor base's preferences. In any case WP:NCM requires that Above the Noise (The Revolution Smile album) and McFly fans be treated equally. We only break this rule for Madonna and Britney. McFly aren't Madonna or Britney. In ictu oculi (talk) 20:26, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

• Support. Clear primary topic in what is essentially a WP:TWODABS situation.--Cúchullain ^t/c 15:12, 28 August 2015 (UTC)

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