Talk:2022 New York gubernatorial election/Archive 1

Archive 1

Donald Trump Jr.

I removed Donald Trump Jr. as a possible contender, which was unsourced. There was speculation about a 2018 run, but he's since said "He added however, pointing to past speculation, that his potential bid for office would not be for New York governor, saying the job is "not really of that much interest" to him." [1]. Fences&Windows 16:16, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

I also removed Jimmy McMillan, as I can't verify that he might run and I found a site suggesting he has retired his political ambitions: https://www.jimmymcmillan.org/creator-ofthe-rent-is-too-damn-high-party-is-leaving-politics/. Fences&Windows 19:28, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

3 small sources re-added regarding "Zeldin endorsements"

Which of the 3 do you propose to be re-added? Seems Zeldin paid for 3 articles to be written. Only Suffolk County GOP office confirms the purported endorsement. Official websites do not corroborate single source claiming a Zeldin endorsement. On an issue as important as GOP nom for Governor, such a claim would need verification.. Sucker for All (talk) 23:25, 19 May 2021 (UTC)

You're right. Thankfully, some better and clearer articles from ABC and Auburn Pub came out today! Capisred (talk) 21:27, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

Nick Langworthy has indicated a GOP Nominee will be selected next month. When would it be appropriate to put the endorsements box in before then (now with better sources out and from more relevant people, not just committees/chairs)? I guess I'm waiting on your time. Willing to wait it out however long it takes to prevent perpetual removal. Cheers. Capisred (talk) 13:51, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I just saw Nick Langworthy give a speech where he said the opposite. You're drawing at straws man. You don't have a source for that claim. Sucker for All (talk) 05:54, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Sucker, I had a source. I'm just going off of the part in this exact page under republican primary where it says "New York State GOP chairman Nick Langworthy has stated that the party intends to pick the GOP gubernatorial candidate in June of 2021. This was would be 17 months before the November 2022 election". If that changed, update that and the source. No straws here. Capisred (talk) 20:50, 22 May 2021 (UTC)

Dude, that same article says "parties designate candidates in February and March of the election year, a rule set by the state’s Board of Elections". The whole section's a mess, so I deleted it. The Democratic Primary section doesn't include a part like that, so it's WP:BIAS to make the Republican Primary section so different. Sucker for All (talk) 07:32, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

"campaign announced they secured" odd claim. Better like this Sucker for All (talk) 07:34, 25 May 2021 (UTC)

Article Citations Re-Added

Regardless of ultimate notability for WABC or NYPost, the fact that these far reaching outlets cover speculation that John Catsimatidis is interested in running for Governor. BlueboyLINY explain any deletions of legitimate articles with a significant reach, explicitly stating that John Catsimatidis is interested in running for Governor. Sucker for All (talk) 03:40, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

BlueboyLINY stop eliminating sources indicating John Catsimatidis and George Pataki have publicly expressed interest. You must have a discussion here explaining your actions Sucker for All (talk) 15:47, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Only One Candidates Has Endorsements So Far (to my knowledge)

Last week, I created the first endorsements box template and put in endorsements for Lee Zeldin. BlueBoyLINY user removed my box saying endorsements were allowed, but that I was a genre warrior, I made "changes to suit [my] own point of view", and my contribution was removed because I only put endorsements for Zeldin.

To this point, Zeldin is the only one with endorsements in this race to my knowledge. If any endorsements come through for anybody else in the Republican primary (Astorino, Carpinelli, or Gibson) or if Cuomo decides to run and has a primary challenge, I will be sure to add those endorsements as they come in. This is me "establishing a consensus on the article's talk page" giving me the green light to put the endorsements box on the page once again. If another user besides the one who removed my content would give me a go ahead, or if the user who removed my content would reverse their removal, that would be fantastic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capisred (talk • contribs) 13:37, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

You brought this up at the Teahouse and I objected. It is too early to discuss endorsements with the election so far in the future. Wait until the major candidates all have endorsements. I am not a New York resident so I am neutral. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 05:21, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I agree with Cullen328, It is too early to discuss endorsements with the election so far in the future. Wait until the major candidates all have endorsements. BlueboyLINY (talk) 20:34, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

The City claim about Cuomo cutting a deal to not run in order to avoid impeachment needs additional backing

Even The City's own Wikipedia article notes that The City has a history of using "tabloid snark."137.70.164.141 (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Establishing a Consensus

Just passing by. Noticed that 2022 Arkansas gubernatorial election has endorsements, but this article does not. Now I see that 73.70.228.14, Anish631,02rufus02, General Dwight David Eisenhower, and Capisred have all attempted to add endorsements boxes, all of which have been removed by the same user for being non constructive and because a consensus has not been established.

I feel as though five users trying to do the same thing (sort of) counts as a consensus, but consider this section being me asking to solidify the consensus that endorsements boxes should exist on this page and not be perpetually removed.

Other 2022 gubernatorial elections with endorsements boxes include 2022 Arkansas gubernatorial election, 2022 Georgia gubernatorial election, 2022 Kansas gubernatorial election, 2022 Ohio gubernatorial election, 2022 Pennsylvania gubernatorial election, and 2022 South Carolina gubernatorial election. Because these other articles have endorsements boxes present, I feel as though this page should be held to the same standard as articles for other elections, even though they are a while away. I hope you all feel the same. SleepingWithTheTVOn (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I appreciate you pointing this out. I stopped trying to edit in the endorsements box because it kept getting removed, and I'm glad that someone else is noticing the consensus here. Count me in! Capisred (talk) 13:18, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I've been noticing the consistent removal of the endorsement boxes as well. I agree - I think the boxes should stay. Kyjama (talk) 19:53, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree. Removing endorsements is not de rigeur, and removing them because they're only for one candidate is specious reasoning. All that matters is verifiability and notability, not equal airtime. JesseRafe (talk) 19:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Endorsement boxes should 100% stay. Every race for 2022 virtually has enforcement boxes. Just because Astorino doesn’t have endorsements doesn’t mean we can’t put Zeldins down. Zeldin has over 50% of the county party endorsements as well. NY2052 (talk) 00:41, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements should 100% stay. They are a vital and long-established part of elections articles, and if someone is removing them because they only list endorsements for one candidate they should read up on our policy for them. Devonian Wombat (talk) 01:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

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When did Cuomo's resignation take effect? August 23 or 24

If Cuomo's resignation occurred at midnight August 24, 2021. That would make the sentence showing his resignation as occurring at the end of August 23, 2021. GoodDay (talk) 05:58, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

No, midnight August 24, 2021, would make the sentence showing his resignation as occurring at the beginning of August 24, 2021. Personally I think you're nitpicking here. Making this a potato/patoto situation. I believe you should always go with what the citation says, I have not seen any sources stating he resigned at the end of August 23, 2021. And yes, I do know how to contact other users and communicate, so if my message on your talk page is not in the place you believe it should be, take it up with Twinkle. Your apologies are accepted. Cheers BlueboyLINY (talk) 08:08, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

You're wrong. Again, look at the infobox at Andrew Cuomo. He wasn't governor on August 24. Not even a fraction of a second. According to your view, George Pataki would've been governor from January 1, 1995 to January 1, 2007. Pataki was governor from January 1, 1995 to December 31, 2006. GoodDay (talk) 08:26, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

1RR

I just wanted to make everyone here knows that this article has been placed under a 1RR restriction under the "post-1992 politics of the United State" discretionary sanctions. Please see the notice at the top of the page for details. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 09:04, 28 August 2021 (UTC)

Cuomo polls in primary poll table

They should not be split in a separate “hypothetical”. These were no more hypothetical than the polls in the main table. SecretName101 (talk) 21:03, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Sharpe: Republican or Libertarian

I see Larry Sharpe is listed as forming an exploratory committee in both the Rep. and Lib. sections. Which is it? Capisred (talk) 19:42, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

Endorsements

Special:Contributions/2A01:C23:7907:1F01:F5A2:3BA3:EA21:EFBD, please self-revert your addition of Jay Jacobs to the endorsement section, as Jacobs does not have a Wikipedia page he does not meet the criteria for political endorsements outlined in WP:ENDORSE. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:55, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Did Stefanik "Decline" ?

The exact quote in the article is "While she is not making any endorsements yet in the New York governor's race, Stefanik indicated she believes Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-Long Island) has a strong chance of becoming both the GOP nominee and the eventual victor". That includes neither a quote from her nor the words "I am not running for Governor myself". I believe she belongs under the "potential" category (albeit an unlikely one in all honesty given that she is the 3rd highest ranked GOP in the house) Sucker for All (talk) 16:28, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Forgot to remove html or wiki tags when creating chart.

I just realized I accidentally forgot to remove a wikitag and a html tag in the legend of the chart. I was copying the names from the polling table, I did miss the two by accident, and was thinking of fixing it in the end, which I forgot to. Is there an exemption in the one edit rule, for this issue? Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 00:03, 28 October 2021 (UTC) NVM please ignore and I fixed the issue myself, the rule was in the case of a revert. Aceing_Winter_Snows_Harsh_Cold (talk) 00:05, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Verified Twitter

If a tweet is coming from a verified twitter account, does that count as an endorsement? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capisred (talk • contribs) 14:26, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

Residence

Is a politician's residence where they currently reside, or where they grew up? The example that makes me ask this question is that I believe the gallery under the candidates section states the residence of the politician. What is the criteria? For example, Kathy Hochul's current residence officially is the governors mansion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capisred (talk • contribs) 14:18, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Can I please get a source stating Hochul's residence is in Buffalo city limits?GeorgeBailey (talk) 18:09, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Should we...

Put the lieutenant governor under the candidate for governor along with the individual lieutenant governor section If Declared?

For example:

Kathy Hochul, incumbent gov.

• Running mate: Brian Benjamin, incumbent lieutenant gov.

Or something similar. Just to put the ticket together in one eyeshot.

I think we should. We do similar things for other states. Baconheimian (talk) 19:49, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Endorsements

Not sure if this is the proper place to put it, but I would like to note that Tom Suozzi (Democrat for Governor) was endorsed by branches of the Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers, and Utility Workers Union of America unions as well as New York City Council member Robert Holden from the 30th District. In addition, Kathy Hochul recieved an endorsement from the National Organization for Women. Might be worth putting in each candidate's endorsement section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 100.12.163.254 (talk) 05:19, 4 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 May 2022

https://www.thecity.nyc/platform/amp/2022/4/12/23022628/who-else-is-running-for-lieutenant-governor-ny 2600:1017:B418:2C43:1536:A9A9:51B6:F6A5 (talk) 23:52, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Cannolis (talk) 23:56, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Carpinelli dropout

Can someone make one of those yellow bars with Mike Carpinelli dropping out in the Republican primary polling box? Not sure how to do it myself, will look it up. He dropped out on April 22. GeorgeBailey (talk) 17:21, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2022

Congressman Jim Jordon endorsed Lee Zeldin for governor 24.228.50.68 (talk) 22:33, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 23:07, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Flynn endorsed Giuliani

Someone should add it Joshthepanthersfan (talk) 15:16, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

A few questions

I have seen that this article is under arbitration. What does this mean and what should I avoid doing? For endorsements, should we include county and city legislators who do not have a Wikipedia page, but nonetheless have sources documenting their endorsements? I would say yes. Gaius Publius Scipio (talk) 00:37, 23 June 2022 (UTC)

presumptive nominees

Should there be only one candidate at the time of the petition deadline, they are declared the nominee, and the primary canceled. This is what happened with the Republican Lt. Governor. The article has been edited to reflect this. Notwisconsin (talk) 00:54, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

locked page

the sources need to be updated now 71.223.83.247 (talk) 06:05, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Excessive trivia in the article's endorsements section

Hi,

Let me start by saying that endorsements, especially in US political culture, are an importtant part of elections and should be included (for proof, one only needs to look at the 2020 Democratic primary in South Carolina or the Super Tuesday results from a few days later). Indeed, it makes sense to point out whether influential congressmembers and former presidents endorsed this candidate or that one. However, writing down EVERY endorsement from EVERY politician within the state of New York seems...excessive. For instance, I fail to see how Rep X from district Y is going to have a massive, noticeable impact on the elections. Now you will retort "not one of those is individually notable, but the sum of them all is". On this you will be correct, that is why we should have the number of endorsements (to give people a sense of scale) from specific jobs (ex : Kathy Hochul had the support of 53 state assemblymembers). In fact, I have a simple criterion for whether or not we shoud include any one endorsement as a specific name or as part of a number : does it have a Wikipedia page? If it doesn't, why should we mention it? CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 21:56, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

Agreed, a Wikipedia page should be required to establish notability. As it is, the article is full of WP:OVERLINKS that the average reader will not even click on. - BlueboyLINY (talk) 22:19, 25 October 2022 (UTC)

I see no reason to do this here. As long as the endorsements meet WP:ENDORSE, there's no reason to remove them. Elli (talk | contribs) 18:55, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I see no reason to remove them either, that is why I didn't remove them, I only removed the names as they make the article needlessly cluttered and hard to read — Preceding unsigned comment added by CanadianScotNationalist (talk • contribs) 19:10, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

You've claimed that I didn't receive consensus before reverting you, but generally a change to the status quo is what needs consensus. Your edit is what was challenged and I encourage you to self-revert here.

Removing the names does not improve the article. The proper place to seek the changes you want is trying to change consensus at WP:ENDORSE so we have a clear standard for all articles, not removing names when you personally feel that we list too many of them. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:23, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Well I didnt know that cos I am new here, my point was to start a discussion, now please do tell me : Is this not excessive? Are these names NECESSARY or RELEVANT? CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 19:26, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Sidenote why is there a link to a poll underneath the yellow talkpage thing? CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 19:27, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't view the listing as particularly excessive, no.

Also, you're not new here, you've been editing as an IP since at least 2018. Elli (talk | contribs) 19:32, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, I am new here, just because my brother has been doesn't mean that I have... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 20:17, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

So here are my proposed standards (I have made the edits to see what it looks like, if you disagree I encourage you to modify what I did)

-Write the name only, except when they are particularly notable (ex: speaker of the assembly), otherwise write the job description at the top of the list and let individuals who care look for the one individual they really care about, otherwise the article will be filled with 8 000 links to the article for state assemblymember

-If it doesn't have a wikipedia page=CHOP CHOP

-If an individual union local/chapter endorses a candidate, write the number, else, write just the number of chapters, they are not notable enough to be individually written

-Please, we do not need to repeat all the endorsements for the general election, just write "A held/kept all their endorsements going into the general election" CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 21:00, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Again, we should just follow WP:ENDORSE here, which is a standard across pretty much every election article. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:53, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Thats what Im saying, did you read what I said or not? CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 22:58, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Saying "we should just follow policy x" is the most effective of not dicussing my proposed changes CanadianScotNationalist (talk) 23:05, 27 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I read what you proposed. I disagree with your proposal. I would not implement it at all; I would continue with the previous status quo. Elli (talk | contribs) 04:30, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

So you prefer this :

Endorsements by

State assemblymembers

Peter Abbate, state assemblymember from the 49th district (1987–present)

Didi Barrett, state assemblymember from the 106th district (2013–present) and the 103rd district (2012–2013)

Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn, Chair of the Brooklyn Democratic Party (2020–present), state assemblymember from the 42nd district (2015–present)

Harry Bronson, state assemblymember from the 138th district (2011–present)

Chris Burdick, state assemblymember from the 93rd district (2021–present)

Kenny Burgos, state assemblymember from the 85th district (2020–present)

Robert Carroll, state assemblymember from the 44th district (2017–present)

William Colton, state assemblymember from the 47th district (1997–present)

to this :

Endorsements by

State assemblymembers

Peter Abbate, 49th district (1987–present)

Didi Barrett, 106th district (2013–present)

Rodneyse Bichotte Hermelyn, Chair of the Brooklyn Democratic Party (2020–present), 42nd district (2015–present)

Harry Bronson, 138th district (2011–present)

Chris Burdick, 93rd district (2021–present)

Kenny Burgos, 85th district (2020–present)

Robert Carroll, 44th district (2017–present)

William Colton, 47th district (1997–present)

WHY???

Explain why we need to repeat the word state assemblymember 80 times, we say it at the top, people arent stupid.

Also putting that word 80 timnes means we create a case of WP:OVERLINK 107.190.33.254 (talk) 14:22, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Alright, that particular change is reasonable. Elli (talk | contribs) 20:01, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

But you just said you read my proposal and preferred the status quo, so either you didn't read it or you didn't read it well, in either case go and reread it so I am sure you understand 107.190.33.254 (talk) 20:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Write the name only, except when they are particularly notable (ex: speaker of the assembly), otherwise write the job description at the top of the list and let individuals who care look for the one individual they really care about, otherwise the article will be filled with 8 000 links to the article for state assemblymember this is written in a pretty confusing way, I think it's reasonable that I did not understand what you were proposing there. I still disagree with your other standards that you've proposed. Elli (talk | contribs) 21:41, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

So you think these individual locals are notable?

Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen Local 56

Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen Local 241

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local No. 3

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 25

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers Local 1049

Why not do it like this

Brotherhood of Railroad Signalmen (2 locals)

International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (3 locals)

Tell me, is anyone genuinely going to care about these individual locals? If so, why is it that you don't support changing the status quo, aka "International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (7 local chapters)" (see Kathy Hochul endorsements for detail). In fact, which status quo do you support? The one where we write individual chapters? The one where we do not? The one where we do both at the same time (Schrödinger's status quo where we both write individual locals/chapters and don't write them)? Please be more specific.

If these locals are notable, why aren't they named in the Hochul endorsements? Are you going to say that it would be too long? Because you said (of a 70+ member listing) "I don't view the listing as particularly excessive" so if you support the status quo, you will support us keeping those 7 chapters unnamed AND the 2 chapters named, not very consistent... 107.190.33.254 (talk) 22:06, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

And before you tell me I was confusing "-If an individual union local/chapter endorses a candidate, write the number, else, write just the number of chapters, they are not notable enough to be individually written" was what I said, you stated you supported the status quo, so you must have looked at the article and concluded the way we did local chapters was fine and said "lets keep the status quo" (or maybe you didnt look at the article but I am trying to assume good faith here), so explain why you saw these two things in the article and felt like it was ok to do it like that. 107.190.33.254 (talk) 22:10, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes, I'm fine with how it's done currently. I'd also be fine with grouping the numbers together, but that is not what you proposed either. That would probably be the ideal solution. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

And no, I did not review every line of your ~64k byte edit. Elli (talk | contribs) 03:50, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

So you are fine with how its done currently? : "International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers (7 local chapters)" 107.190.33.254 (talk) 14:37, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Close discussion above

I cant edit for a few months, you may archive for now me d9nt know how to do so 107.190.33.254 (talk) 19:43, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Write-in candidate results & history suggested edit

Hi, the ballot access rules were changed, and there were several court challenges that were overruled. As such, this is the first election in 86 years where there were only 2 choices for governor of NY. Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/28/nyregion/third-parties-governor-ny.html

Consequently, Larry Sharpe (Libertarian Party) and Howie Hawkins (Green Party) both ran write-in campaigns. Final results will be obtained in a few weeks due to a FOIL request with the NY Board of Elections. Until then, you can see a partial total count of 9,352 write-in votes here:

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-elections/new-york-governor-results

This is extremely noteworthy because it also means that no third party will have ballot access in all 50 states in the Presidential election, either.

I'd like to make a simple edit to the page to reflect the above information, but I don't want to risk my privileges. Please advise. Dennisconsorte (talk) 20:30, 10 November 2022 (UTC)