Talk:2014 FIFA World Cup disciplinary record

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Clearly made a mistake. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 21:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Sending-off offenses (red card offenses)

If there is to be a column describing the reason for each send-off, be consistent with the laws of the game. http://www.fifa.com/aboutfifa/footballdevelopment/technicalsupport/refereeing/laws-of-the-game/law/newsid=1290868.html

A player, substitute or substituted player is sent off if he commits any of the following seven offences:

• serious foul play (SFP)
• violent conduct (VC)
• spitting at an opponent or any other person (S)
• denying the opposing team a goal or an obvious goalscoring opportunity by deliberately handling the ball (this does not apply to a goalkeeper within his own penalty area) (DGH)
• denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity to an opponent moving towards the player's goal by an offence punishable by a free kick or a penalty kick (DGF)
• using offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or gestures (AL)
• receiving a second caution in the same match (2Y)

A player, substitute or substituted player who has been sent off must leave the vicinity of the field of play and the technical area. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jeff kuta (talk • contribs) 15:46, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't think tackling seemed like the right thing to go in that column, especially as there wasn't really much intent to get the ball. I agree we should stick to these descriptions (or a shortened version of some of them). - 97rob (talk) 16:27, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I would recommend these seven short phrases to describe the reason for a send off/red card:

• serious foul play
• violent conduct
• spitting
• DOGSO by handling
• DOGSO by foul
• abusive language The commonly used abbreviation is OFFINABUS as the offence is Offensive, Abusive or Insulting Language.Statto74 (talk) 13:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
• two cautions

While the 2-3 letter abbreviations are shorter, these provide laymen more information without having to consult a legend. And there will probably be no more than 20 send offs the entire 2014 World Cup anyway.Jeff kuta (talk) 18:38, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure DOGSO is obvious enough. It could be tooltipped, like DOGSO by handling, but I'm not sure what a better replacement would be. - 97rob (talk) 18:48, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@97rob: You could either tooltip the descriptions, or place a legend on the side instead. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 00:38, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Didnt think of that, good suggestion. If we're placing a legend, we could just stick to FIFA codes (DGF etc) - 97rob (talk) 15:26, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

I like the tooltip suggestion if a "DOGSO" happens. "DOGSO" is commonly in the United States among soccer referees when filing match reports. I think the "straight red card" or "second yellow card" descriptions under the "Red Cards" column should be eliminated. The Reason "two cautions" or maybe "second caution" conveys the proper meaning without being repetitive. If a player were to earn a caution and then get a straight red card for another offense such as violent conduct, then that would be the correct reason. Jeff kuta (talk) 20:20, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Or when we mention DOGSO¹ we could just do this.

^1 Denying an obvious goalscoring opportunity

- 97rob (talk) 20:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@97rob: I included all the short phrases in the editnotice to make them more visible to editors. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 06:57, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

By Team Table

This table still bothers me. Redudant information about the reason for red card which is same reason as suspension. A proposed table change is below. Comments welcome. Jeff kuta (talk) 08:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

By team (current)

Team	Yellow	Red	Red Cards	Reason	Suspension(s)
Honduras	4	1	Wilson Palacios vs France	second caution	Wilson Palacios: vs Ecuador

By team (proposed)

Team	Yellow	Red	Suspension	Reason
Honduras	4	2	Wilson Palacios vs Ecuador Standin Playername vs France Standin2 Playername2 vs Brazil	red card (two cautions) vs France red card (violent conduct) vs Uruguay two accumulated yellow cards vs France and Uruguay

I would prefer something along these lines, I agree the current table doesn't seem right. - 97rob (talk) 16:44, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Should the non-cautioned teams be added to this table with 0/0 so that it helps populate the "Fewest yellow cards by team" line in [[1]]? Currently it has a missing team (Costa Rica) in the list of teams with fewest cautions. Jorgeriverag (talk) 17:01, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I think that's a worthy idea. Likewise, I think it would be useful to include those referees who have yet to book anyone. Hoof Hearted (talk) 15:36, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

@Jeff kuta: That's a good idea, although I think the current table's format should remain, but the reason for the red card should be below "Player name vs Opponent" rather than in a separate column, i.e.

Team	Yellow	Red	Red Cards	Suspension(s)
Honduras	4	1	Wilson Palacios vs France second caution	Wilson Palacios vs Ecuador

The "Reason" column you've proposed, at least in my opinion, would contain too much information and it just wouldn't look right. Davykamanzi → talk • contribs • alter ego 18:13, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in the "Sanctions – by individual" section

I think there is an issue with the "Sanctions – by individual" section. Now the table shows some players having received 1 red card and 2 yellow cards, while others "only" have 1 red card. In my eyes it is worse to have a straight red card than receiving a red card following two yellow, which the table does not indicate. Say, for example, that Maxi Pereira gets one yellow card in game 3 and one in game 4, he would then have 1+2 in the table as Katsouranis and Palacios have. Should there be three columns, or is there another possible way of distinguishing yellow+yellow=red from yellow+yellow+red ? Fomalhaut76 (talk) 22:25, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Actually, in my opinion getting 2 yellow (2 separate "incidents" where the player received a warning after the first) is worse than a straight red (single incident, although a more flagrant violation). Ignoring the warning seems like the greater offense. Still, I agree that a distinction could be made for the different "types" of red cards. Perhaps the Yellow | Second Yellow | Straight Red that is used in the match table? Hoof Hearted (talk) 14:16, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

A straight red card is the worst possible situation. Suspension for two yellows in separate matches is a single game. Suspension for two yellows in the same match is playing a man down plus a single additional game. Suspension for a straight red is playing a man down plus a single game or oftentimes multiple games. Jeff kuta (talk) 01:57, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah yes, I forgot about that aspect. Good point. Hoof Hearted (talk) 20:32, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Is this table supposed to show all yellow cards? If so, then the goalkeeper for Brazil, Julio Cesar, should have a yellow card from the Colombia match. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.9.26 (talk) 04:57, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Penalties

In the section 'By Referee' the number of PKs awarded shows as total of 10 (when you add numbers for each referee), but the actual number is 11. Please correct this.

The Penalty missed by Karim Benzema in the Switzerland v France match wasn't included. I have added it to Bjorn Kuipers tally. Statto74 (talk) 13:36, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

quarterfinal reset

it's unclear to me from http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/50/02/75/discoinhalte.pdf where it mentions that yellow cards are forgiven after the quarterfinals, could someone point me to the right snippet? Rogerdpack (talk) 20:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

(?)Section 37 - Cancellation of Cautions on page 24 Hoof Hearted (talk) 19:52, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Fredy Guarín

Note 10 reads "Guarín was suspended for his team's first match of the tournament after being sent off in the final qualification match against Paraguay, for a serious foul play (double yellow card), 15 October 2013." Serious Foul Play carries a mandatory Red Card, Guarín was merely dismissed for receiving a second caution in the same match. I couldn't find a way to edit the Note though. Statto74 (talk) 08:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

@Statto74: I copied and pasted that text while merging a section of another article into this article. I agree with you, and changed the note accordingly. You can edit a note by editing the section where it is first defined (in this case, the "By team" section). --Theurgist (talk) 16:14, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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