Talk:2002 New Hampshire Senate election phone jamming scandal

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Daniel, good morning. As I understand it, the arguments about the dismissal of seven US attorneys are centered principally around the Arkansas and New Mexico US attorneys. If there is some sort of argument about a US attorney in New Hampshire, I am unaware of it. Guilt by association is something I'm keen on deleting wherever I see it, but if you have a RS, go for it. Kzq9599 14:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

It's been considered in the same context. True, the Sullivan letter to Leahy doesn't mention it, but given that we now know that U.S. Attorneys were pressured politically, this is the background allegation. The letter alleges that the U.S. Attorney for New Hampshire, himself a 2000 congressional candidate whose wife worked for the Bush 2004 campaign (along with James Tobin) should have recused himself. But I'll take it out (Of course, in the future it could be part of the dismissals investigations as well. But not yet). Daniel Case 01:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Blogs, especially partisan blogs, and most especially speculation in partisan blogs, are not WP:RS. Please review the bits about self-published and partisan sources. Please also review WP:BLP, since these are living people we're talking about here. The two blogs you've relied upon are both self-published and partisan. All material that can't be verified in reliable sources such as the Manchester Union Leader has been removed. If you can produce reliable sources, please cite them when you replace the material. Thank you. Kzq9599 05:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Your tone is not helpful, especially considering your extremely limited amount of edits to the project and your inordinate focus on James Tobin of late. And that you have a vandalism warning on your talk page that I had to restore after you removed it in violation of policy. You're teetering on the edge of being reported to WP:AN/I as I am beginning to suspect you are a single-purpose account. You have a point there, but without all the blog links it will not be possible to put in links to the Manchester Union-Leader' stories.

Are you part of James Tobin's legal defense team or related to someone who is, perchance? You need to disclose that conflict pronto if so. I would find you easier to deal with if, as I did, you used your real name and did not vandalize pages. Daniel Case 05:52, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

My tone? I'm being polite. I refuse to use my real name just like hundreds of administrators here at Wikipedia. It doesn't take 17,000 edits to read and understand WP:ATT, WP:RS and WP:BLP. I'm not connected in any way to James Tobin's legal team, the New Hampshire Republican Party, or any other person or organization that would create problems with WP:COI. How about you, Daniel? Are you connected with the Democratic Party, perchance? Or Moveon.org, or Talking Points Memo? Since you asked me, you've defined these as fair and reasonable questions. Kzq9599 06:03, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I would say that my estimation of your tone is not at all helped by your flippant response to the warning I put on your talk page when you, quite against policy, removed a vandalism warning you didn't agree with. Yes, I am a Democrat but not in New Hampshire. Why would MoveOn have anything to do with it? Why would you need to ask when you can Google my name, as I cannot do for yours?

I have gotten the feeling lately from some edits here that this article has been targeted for sanitization á la National Institute on Drug Abuse, so I get suspicious, especially when I read your user history. Yes, you have made some good points here, and your edits probably improved the article, but someone with the sort of experience that that many edits provide knows how to handle this tactfully, and doesn't remove vandalism warnings from their talk page. Daniel Case 06:16, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

If you think this article has been sanitized, think again. I've reviewed this article very carefully this evening, checking all of Marshall's claims against other sources, and only took action after two hours of research. There is still abundant and damning evidence against the New Hampshire Republican Party in this article, and I resent your insinuation that I've been sanitizing it. Only those claims (and speculations) that couldn't be verified through reliable sources were removed. Unlike you, I'm registered as an independent and I do not carry a brief for either party. I did not recognize Orange Mike's statement on my talk page as a warning. Kzq9599 06:29, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, I'm mellowing out now. You did actually do a good job for the page ... it just gets my back up when changes this extensive to any article on my watchlist are done without beginning to resolve them on the talk page. I hope you accept my apology; I have to call it a night. Happy editing! Daniel Case 06:39, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I accept your apology and I hope you'll accept mine. We both need to remember WP:AGF as well. What I saw was an article about a Republican scandal, dripping with speculation and innuendo from self-published and cynically partisan blogs, and being defended by a Democrat. What you saw was an unknown newbie rolling around here like a loose cannon, ripping out paragraph after paragraph of sourced material. Let's try to trust one another. I am a single purpose account. My single purpose is to make Wikipedia articles better, Daniel. Let's work together. Kzq9599 13:28, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

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Proposed merge

I would like to propose merging the following biographical articles into this topic:

• James Tobin (political operative)
• Allen Raymond
• Charles McGee (politician) ‎

I don't see a need for standalone biographical articles on these people, and the reader benefits from having all of the information is one place, in the context of the scandal itself. Viriditas (talk) 03:14, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

I have no objection, save for Raymond, who might be able to claim independent notability due to his memoirs and the number of campaigns he's worked on. However, the article could be recreated at such time in the future when I and/or someone else feel like doing the research. Daniel Case (talk) 03:22, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

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Not "Alleged"

The article talks about "Tobin's alleged involvement in election phone jamming". The word alleged is used when a person has been accused of a crime, but their guilt has not yet been definitively established. In this case, however, Tobin's guilt was established: he was found guilty and he was convicted of the crime. So the modifier "alleged" is no longer necessary -- in fact it's no longer accurate. Thus, if there are no objections, I am going to delete it. Thanks and happy editing.Chillowack (talk) 05:33, 23 January 2024 (UTC)

The conviction was reversed on appeal. Therefore it is as if it never happened; thus we are back to "alleged". Daniel Case (talk) 06:37, 23 January 2024 (UTC)