Talk:1988 Mexican general election

Dispute: Accuracy, POV: Known Fraudulent election

We now know that this election was rigged because de la Madrid admitted it in the New York Times. http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/09/world/ex-president-in-mexico-casts-new-light-on-rigged-1988-election.html It thus seems to me inaccurate to display the falsified vote counts, etc., as if we were reporting a legitimate, clean election; and that to do so represents a POV and an inaccurate one at that! Commentary and advice welcome. KenThomas (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2010 (UTC) NOTE: Main article on Mexico more accurately represents these events (at around footnotes 57-59). KenThomas (talk) 19:44, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Simply incorporate your observations into the article the best you can thus reporting on that "other side" also. Tagging the whole article, per WP:Tag bombing, is not the way to go.

BTW, additions to the talk page are made at the end, not at the top per WP:Talk page guidelines#Technical and format standards.

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Respectfully, I disagree on both points and do not find your comments useful or particularly relevant. The tags are justified and my ordering is intentional; replacing and reverting. KenThomas (talk) 23:16, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

POV dispute: Known Fraudulent "Election" = muy problematic

IMHO, presenting this as an "election" is highly problematic. The PRI is well-known to have rigged elections since their rise in 1929; a rigged election under an oppressive regime, is not the same as a free election in a democratic state. Or should we report the "elections" of the Soviet Union, or communist China, etc., as such? If we do, we do a grave disservice to the truth, and participate in the fraud. I guess the question is-- how do/should we present elections, which are known to be shams? Perhaps there are examples (I'll check the recent Russian and the previous Iranian elections, but in fact in this case, we have more evidence of fraud/rigging than in those cases). I don't know who removed the POV tag (not going to check history), but POV disputes should be resolved in talk first, no? POV tag is reasonable as a mechanism here, and not bombing, as I can only do so much to figure out how to push the article to neutrality, and the article could use the attention of others. KenThomas (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

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Lack of information regarding possible fraud

The article does not describe in detail the effects of a possible fraud during this election. There are no mentions of "Se callo el sistema" (the system crashed) and the unusually long time it took to count all votes. There is also no information on the splinter parties that were created because of the election's possible fraud. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zebobbybird (talk • contribs) 10:08, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

There are several mistakes in the article:

1) "Se calló el sistema" is translated to English as "the system shut up".

2) "The system crashed" is translated to Spanish as "se cayó el sistema".

3) There were not computer networks in Mexico in 1988. The first computer network in Mexico was installed in 1991 and it was based in the supercomputer CRAY at UNAM [[1]]. The system that was actually "shut up" in 1988 was the telephone system. 189.216.142.0 (talk) 00:10, 17 July 2017 (UTC)