Portal talk:Linguistics/Archive 1

Archive 1

Merge?

Do we really need both this and Portal:Language (which is much further along in development)? Angr/talk 15:58, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree: I would prefer our efforts to be focused in one place. --Gareth Hughes 12:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. Linguistics and language are two very different things. The language portal seems to focus on individual languages, while the linguistics portal should focus on different phenomena of language. Languages make up the data that linguistics concerns itself with, and the two should be kept separate. TheCharlie 22:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Language and linguistics are conceptually related but distinct entities. As TheCharlie said, language is simply data on which linguistics, a scientific field of investigation, operates. Yes, we do, undeniably, need both. Msanford (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Requested merge

I have requested that the new British language (Celtic) article be merged into the Welsh language article. Contribute at Talk:Welsh language. --Mais oui! 11:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Relevant to the Language portal perhaps, but not Linguistics. Also very old (the merge obviously didn't happen). Msanford (talk) 08:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Is this portal current?

Is anyone still working on this portal? I would like to help. Joshua Crowgey 11:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but I'm willing to take it up as a maintainer when my thesis is finished (a few months from now) if nobody minds. Msanford (talk) 20:03, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I'll take over as maintainer for the time being. Msanford (talk) 08:16, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Portal Peer review (what's this?)

I am planning to formally submit this portal for Wikipedia:Portal peer review, but not before the end of March 2008 (after this academic term), after some more extensive work.

I mention this because I do not think the portal is currently good enough to submit for peer review. I will post progress updates here. --Msanford (talk) 21:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Submitting for portal peer review now. --Msanford (talk) 00:24, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

A note on "Featured phone"

As the number of total phones is finite (and rather small) it makes the most sense to place the featured phone in a random article rotation, rather than a timed monthly or weekly rotation. Use of the latter function requires extra maintenance to the portal for no real reason. I'll change this feature, but all are welcome to add phones as they see fit, so long as they conform to the same style as the rest. Msanford  T  16:21, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

speech act theory

here I ask a question about speech act theory and Perlocutionary act. thanks. --92.225.74.63 (talk) 12:19, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Featured articles

Since User:Msanford seems to have left Wikipedia (at least, he hasn't edited since last June), I've been BOLD and given us a supply of featured articles for the portal to last through February 2011. These may be viewed at Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Linguistics/Featured article. They are all currently Featured Articles, but may not still be so by the time they appear on the front page of the Portal, though. +Angr 15:03, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

By the way, does anyone know why the headers on this page don't have "Edit" links on them? +Angr 15:10, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

It was because Portal:Linguistics/box-header was used on this page, and that turns off section edits (so they don't show up on the actual Portal). That template now has an optional parameter to disable disabling section edits. So edit links should be restored, without breaking anything else. -Mairi (talk) 14:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The science of writing systems?

In French, we have a word for the science that studies writing systems and their evolution through history, it's etymographie. Do you use such a word (etymography) in English? From a quick look on Google, it seems rather uncommon, how do you refer to this field of study then? I see no entry in en.Wikipedia that might put me on the track. knd (talk) 16:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

And what about: «etymoglyphy» ? knd (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Notification of Article for Deletion nomination

The article Present simple continuous has been nominated for deletion. Please consider expressing your support or opposition at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Present simple continuous. Duoduoduo (talk) 17:05, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Double negative in English: Is it non-standard use only?!

Please, see Talk:Double negative#English: Is it non-standard use only?!.--Tim32 (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

en:Languages in censuses

I invite you to help write Languages this article.--Kaiyr (talk) 13:50, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Nominations for featured content

Since the portal has been inactive for some time, there is no content queued up to be featured on the portal which is why I'm taking nominations for the next three months (I chose content for this month so that something was there besides a redlink). To nominate content, go down to the subsection for instructions there. Anyone can support or oppose a nomination. If a nomination is opposed because the content is not of good enough quality to be featured, it may not be featured. Otherwise, nominations will be added to the queue in order of which ones seem most wanted by the community.

Articles

To nominate an article, create a level 4 header (four equal signs) titled with the article being nominated. Then fill out this template with the content you are proposing to be featured on the Portal page. The article must be B-class or higher to be featured on the Portal.

{{Portal:Linguistics/Layout/Article
| image   = 
| size    = 
| caption = 
| text    = <!--- Required --->
| link    = <!--- Required --->
}}

International Phonetic Alphabet

Transcription of the English pronunciation of "IPA"

The International Phonetic Alphabet (unofficially—though commonly—abbreviated IPA)is an alphabetic system of phonetic notation based primarily on the Latin alphabet. It was devised by the International Phonetic Association as a standardized representation of the sounds of oral language. The IPA is used by lexicographers, foreign language students and teachers, linguists, speech-language pathologists, singers, actors, constructed language creators, and translators.

The IPA is designed to represent only those qualities of speech that are part of oral language: phones, phonemes, intonation, and the separation of words and syllables. To represent additional qualities of speech, such as tooth gnashing, lisping, and sounds made with a cleft palate, an extended set of symbols called the Extensions to the IPA may be used.

Support

• Support as nominator. Wugapodes (talk) 22:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Oppose

Did you know

Did you knows featured on the Portal must have been featured on the main page at some point. To nominate a did you know, fill out the following template:

{{subst:Portal:Linguistics/Layout/DYK
| article   = 
| hook      = ... that ...?
| image     = 
|   caption = 
}}

Gokak agitation

• ... that the entire Kannada film industry lead by Dr.Rajkumar participated in the Gokak agitation to demand the first language status of Kannada in the Indian state of Karnataka??

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Phone

To nominate a phone, create a level 4 header (four equal signs) titled as the phone being nominated, then fill out the following template:

{{Portal:Linguistics/Layout/Phone
| article = 
| box     =
| text    = 
}}

Alveolar nasal

Linguistics/Archive 1
n
IPA Number	116
Encoding
Entity (decimal)	n
Unicode (hex)	U+006E
X-SAMPA	n
Braille

The alveolar nasal is a type of consonantal sound used in numerous spoken languages. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents dental, alveolar, and postalveolar nasals is ⟨n⟩, and the equivalent X-SAMPA symbol is n.

The vast majority of languages have either an alveolar or dental nasal. There are a few languages that lack either sound but have [m] (e.g. colloquial Samoan). There are some languages (e.g. Rotokas) that lack both [m] and [n].

True dental consonants are relatively uncommon. In the Romance, Dravidian, and Australian languages, n is often called "dental" in the literature. However, the rearmost contact (which is what gives a consonant its distinctive sound) is actually alveolar or denti-alveolar. The difference between the Romance languages and English is not so much where the tongue contacts the roof of the mouth, as which part of the tongue makes the contact. In English it is the tip of the tongue (such sounds are termed apical), whereas in the Romance languages it is the flat of the tongue just above the tip (such sounds are called laminal).

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Unsourced claim about Swahili

The DYK section currently claims "... that Swahili, the first language of fewer than 800,000 people, is the official language in twice as many countries as the world's most spoken first language?" Where does that come from? I can not see it in the Swahili article, and it is clearly contrary to what Official language#Statistics says. — Sebastian 20:14, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Right, fewer than 800,000 first language speakers isn’t a plausible figure for Swahili. As to the number of countries: AFAIK Chinese is official nationwide in only two UN-recognized countries: China and Singapore. LiliCharlie (talk) 21:03, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Well this is strange. The dyk hook came from the talk page of Official language (diff) but the text there is different than what appears on the archive. I have altered the hook. (also, if either of you would like to suggest future features, feel free to do so!) Wugapodes (talk) 23:35, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Yup, looking at the template history, it seems that the one on the talk was promoted but actually inaccurate and was reported on the mainpage as an error and fixed (diff). But the bot didn't know that when it updated the talk page. Wugapodes (talk) 23:49, 3 January 2016 (UTC)