Module talk:Find sources

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Edit request 23 November 2023

	["bbc"] = {
		url = 'https://www.bbc.co.uk/search?q=$1',
		display = "BBC",
		description = "[[BBC]], British public broadcaster",
	},
	["wsj"] = {
		url = 'https://www.wsj.com/search?query=$1',
		display = "Wall Street Journal",
		description = "The website of ''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'', a [[newspaper of record]] for the United States.",
	},

Description of suggested change: add these codes to Module:Find sources/links so that BBC and Wall Street Journal become available for the template. both are globally reputable major news sources.--RZuo (talk) 14:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done As before this doesn't actually change the output of any specific template - I'll probably require a much broader discussion before adding this to Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 23 November 2023

add these codes

		{
			code = 'ap',
			display = 'AP',
			tooltip = 'Associated Press',
		},

to these pages:

1. Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources
2. Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources
3. Module:Find sources/templates/Find biographical sources
4. Module:Find sources/templates/Find sources video games

reason: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)&oldid=1186487350#RfC_on_Module:Find_sources_-_replace_New_York_Times_with_Associated_Press .--RZuo (talk) 14:56, 23 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done for Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources. The remaining three pages aren't template protected so you can edit them yourself. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 02:50, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

Ack, I'm only seeing this now, but this was a bad outcome, starting us down the path that'll end with us listing a dozen different high-profile newspapers. I've come to the view that we shouldn't be listing any newspapers individually in the find sources bar — the geographic hurdles, combined with the difficulty of achieving consensus on the outlets to use, and the banner bloat issue, are part of the reason. But really the main thing is just that people don't generally find sources by looking through archives in specific publications — they instead do searches on Google News or other databases that turn up broader results. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 04:45, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

It is as you feared ... * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:54, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

it is as i had planned. Sdkb is obviously one of the smart ones among the discussion participants. RZuo (talk) 07:24, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

while taking action against NYT in this template, i will be blocked from English Wikipedia maybe pretty soon. :) --RZuo (talk) 21:09, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Number of transclusions of Template:Find general sources

Template:Find general sources has "869860 transclusion(s) found" as of 06:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC), as I just checked https://templatecount.toolforge.org/index.php?lang=en&namespace=10&name=Find_general_sources#bottom .

(Appreciate it if another user can reply below and confirm this.)

This is written here because Template talk:Find general sources redirects here. RZuo (talk) 06:36, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Quoting from what appears right now on the template page, this is "roughly 1% of all pages" on English Wikipedia. RZuo (talk) 06:42, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Also, quoting from Module_talk:Find_sources/Archive_1#Wikipedia_Library_text, "this is an 800k-transclusion template" in September 2021. RZuo (talk) 06:58, 30 November 2023 (UTC)

Edit request 12 January 2024

A discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) resulted in consensus supporting the proposal to "remove all individual news outlets" from Module:Find sources/templates/Find general sources (closure: Special:Diff/1195065906). This means removal of the following lines:

		{
			code = 'new york times',
			display = "''NYT''",
			tooltip = 'The New York Times',
		},
		{
			code = 'ap',
			display = 'AP',
			tooltip = 'Associated Press',
		},

Adumbrativus (talk) 05:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done by Sdkb in Special:Diff/1195169672 SWinxy (talk) 22:16, 12 January 2024 (UTC)