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Hiragana transcriptions for infoboxes

I've been looking into haiku and it seems the easiest way to determine the on for various place names is to get the hiragana transcription, which is often not at all obvious for a non-native speaker (is it obvious for a native speaker?). Therefore I'm wondering if infoboxes for places like Osaka or Hokkaido couldn't include hiragana and possibly katakana transcriptions. There is at least one site that has some transcriptions already available to reference. So, any objections to putting the call out on the Project front page? SamuelRiv (talk) 01:59, 30 September 2016 (UTC)?

You can always click through the link to the Japanese Wikipedia on those articles. Those all have the hiragana. There's also this awesome page we made that lists names with unusual readings. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:06, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

But you don't even need to do that. The article starts: "Osaka (大阪市 Ōsaka-shi?)", and the Hepburn transcription is a reliable indication of the number of morae (as long as it's correct, of course). You need to know that 'Ō' is the (IMO rather unfortunate) Hepburn representation of 'o-o', and therefore two 字, or "characters". Incidentally, I don't know if your usage of on here is some sort of insiderspeak in haiku circles, but it is not normal Japanese usage, nor does not seem to me exactly English. Imaginatorium (talk) 09:33, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

For a (haiku) person who reads Hepburn romanization, for example Ōsaka (5) works, but not Osaka (4). When you stick to Wikipedia in English, not all place names are in Hepburn, and Wikipedia is handy as it has interlanguage links. Or, maybe it's so because I am a native?... --Omotecho (talk) 21:28, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

That's because "Ōsaka (5)" is Hepburn romanization, and "Osaka" is not. Obviously you can tell nothing about the original Japanese reading from the form conventionally used in English, but all 'Japanese' terms written with the "Nihongo" template should include a correct Hepburn reading. Imaginatorium (talk) 03:34, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Image translation help

Hello all, I've been working on a huge Japanese baseball article on the 2004 league realignment in my sandbox for quite awhile and it is in dire need of some relevant images. The corresponding Japanese-language article includes this picture however I'm not sure what it is depicting. The Japanese-language article caption says that it shows "Livedoor president Takafumi Horie watching a game at the Osaka Dome on July 4, 2004". My question is do the banners in the crowd indicate this or anything else related to the realignment? My Japanese is limited so I can't determine what they are saying. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks! --Torsodog^Talk 20:19, 4 October 2016 (UTC)

The long white banners at the bottom say 我らのチームバファローズ, 球団合併断固反対 and 選手・ファンを無視した合併を許せない, which translate as "The Buffaloes are our team", "[We] Strongly oppose a team merger" and "A merger that ignores players and fans is unforgiveable". (The first two are basically touching each other so perhaps they are supposed to be read together) The smaller ones carry similar messages. According to the file's description Horie is somehwere behind the large white flag. His name is in red on the small banner immediately to the right of the large flag. I can't make out the three black characters before his name, but I do not believe it is evidence he was there. You could definitely use the image to show that Buffaloes fans strongly opposed the merger. Perhaps it is evidence that some fans were counting on him to buy the team, but it is fairly weak evidence. In any event, I wouldn't use it to say he was at that game (which would be of little relevance anyway, right?) AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 02:16, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

This is great info, thanks so much! You're right, him being at the game is of very little significance to the article. It is much more about having an image that depicts fan reaction to the team merger. You've confirmed that this image conveys that beautifully and it will likely become the centerpiece image of the article. Thanks again! --Torsodog^Talk 03:12, 5 October 2016 (UTC)

Recent rewrite of History of Japan

User:Rjensen has recently rewritten History of Japan. He has replaced sourced material, changed dates, deleted sourced sections, and added copious amounts of unsourced material (often in place of material that had been sourced, but for some reason he removed the sources). Could we get some eyes on this? I'm suspecting all his recent edits should be reverted wholesale, as the closer I look at it the more problematic it is. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 00:11, 17 October 2016 (UTC)

@Curly Turkey: Looks like you were able to take care of it. The only possibly problematic edit I see (on your part) is the one reducing the summary of information regarding the time periods (the big table you gutted). There is no problem having summary information in such a table. It makes the table far more useful, in fact. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:10, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I found it far overdetailed for its purpose (which had been discussed on the talk page before). If you disagree, brign it up on the talk page there. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Takashi Azuma

I created Takashi Azuma yesterday, and I found that there was a 2010 prodded article for it already, and the link in another article is dead. I believe he has notability, but am having difficulty finding reliable sources through English Google. Can anyone help?--Kintetsubuffalo (talk) 02:37, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

I haven't started looking for any sources, but I've fixed the Japanese name in the lead. AtHomeIn神戸 (talk) 03:12, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

If youve got decent Japanese sources, there's nothing wrong with that. I've made articles entirely from Japanese sources. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:13, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

User:MidasHotel20 moving hundreds of pages to new titles

There is a discussion on WP:ANI relevant to WikiProject Japan. MidasHotel20 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has been on a spree, mass moving nearly 500 pages during the last year without consensus or explanation, making page moves that are against the naming conventions in WP:PLACE, MOS:JAPAN#Place_names, WP:NAME, and WikiProject Japan's guidelines. For example, he has removed the prefecture names from article titles, making them ambiguous, he has changed WP:BLP people's names, fiddled with capitalisations, category names, etc. User:DAJF has made a previous criticism to MidasHotel20 of his page moving, but the user ignored it. Could you please join this WP:ANI discussion? 85.255.234.34 (talk) 10:20, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Women in Red's special November activities

November 2016
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Merger Proposal

I have proposed merging Poetic diary with Nikki Bungaku, as there is significant overlap between the two articles. I suspect the article Poetic Diary is a duplicate of Nikki Bungaku, although the latter could use some elaboration on poetry. I am new to Wikipedia and would appreciate any thoughts from more experienced Wikipedians. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Mineffle (talk) 07:14, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Move request: Junichirō Koizumi

There is a request open to move Junichirō Koizumi to Jun'ichirō Koizumi. Please take part in the discussion. Curly "the jerk" Turkey 🍁 ¡gobble! 21:25, 27 October 2016 (UTC)