User talk:Vanished user 201913/Archive 2

Anon IP

Not always vandalism - see this, for instance, was actually constructive. Nothing recent, anyways, but if he reappears agin let me know as soon as you can and I'll issue a warning if applicable. Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:24, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Help! Alvorense has two names

Alvorense has two names:

• Grupo Desportivo Recreativo Alvorense - http://www.foradejogo.net/team.php?team=368
• Associação Cultural e Recreativa Alvorense 1º Dezembro - http://www.footballzz.co.uk/equipa.php?id=8005

Which is the correct name for a club article Vasco? Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 14:34, 24 May 2012 (UTC)).

Nélson Oliveira

Vasco, concordo que com respeito e trabalho de equipa se consiga fazer um bom trabalho. Concordo ainda que foi um erro ter metido os EARLY YEARS e fica melhor assim.

Não te fies pelo site do foradejogo. A minha fonte é o site da FPF: http://www.fpf.pt/portal/page/portal/PORTAL_FUTEBOL/SELECCOES/NOTICIA?notid=12630605. Podes confirmar onde diz "Clique aqui para consultar o Mapa de Internacionalizações dos Jogadores convocados." Já os golos, confirmo na secção "Mapa Site" do mesmo site da FPF.

Compreendo perfeitamente o problema porque nem sempre as fontes podem ser fiáveis, mas como vez, a minha é a própria federação. Não vale a pena arranjar "guerras", basta citar fontes credíveis. Às vezes podemos pensar que estamos certos mas podemos estar enganados. Afinal estamos todos para o mesmo, que é desenvolver a página.

De resto, gostava de perguntar porque é que não aceitas os golos pelas camadas jovens das selecções? Existem muitos jogadores com esse tipo de informação, nomeadamente a página do Raúl Meireles, do Messi, entre outros. E, a meu ver, é uma informação bastante mais útil, do que por exemplo as 10 fotografias na página do Messi.

Saudações e continuação de um excelente trabalho. — Preceding unsigned comment added by D946 (talk • contribs) 15:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Roberto Etxebarria Arruti

Further to our previous discussions on this, please can you add full cites to this article. You removed the cite I added without any justification. The only cite you've got does not actually prove that was his first game. Is there a ref for a list of Bilbao games that would prove it? Eldumpo (talk) 07:59, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for adding some cites. That Bilbao profile is a good source, and I will look to add a direct cite to the list of games played. Eldumpo (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Changing Jose Dominguez' height

The infobox height was actually stable at 1.60 for nearly two years, and was originally sourced to the Premier League stats pages (now dead, so we can't check) and then the Independent piece still present in the lead section of the article, until you yourself changed it to 1.64, without any explanation, with this edit. The Playfair Football Annuals from when he was at Spurs also give 5ft3 (=1.60). Although there are plenty of quiz questions on the internet that give 1.63 as the height of various shortest players ever to play in the PL, e.g. Alan Wright. The string of external links in the article variously support 1.65, 1.64 and 5ft3. Kicker.de, which is a reliable source, gives 1.64. Though if we're having an infobox height above 1.60, we'd better remove the sentence about shortest PL player...

As I said in my edit summary, I don't really care how tall he is, particularly as there's no clear consensus on the question, but it must be referenced to a reliable source. If you think 1.64 is more likely, use the Kicker ref. Changing one height to another where there are no inline refs, but where the new height is backed up by a source already in the article, as the recent anon did, can't possibly be considered vandalism. If there's an inline ref, then changing it without adding a more reliable or convincing ref to back up the change, would be vandalism. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:47, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Luiz

Since you ask, you were right to remove it, but you'd have done better undoing and writing an edit summary, such as "unsourced personal opinion" or "per WP:NPOV". Rollback is only for reverting vandalism, and the powers-that-be can (and do) remove access to it if people use it as a quick alternative to undoing or manual editing: see WP:ROLLBACK#When to use rollback. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:46, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Not sure what the problem is. If the edits aren't vandalism, then we shouldn't use rollback, fullstop end of. If the offending edits are consecutive, you can get rid of them all at once, either with undo or by opening the last good version in the edit window and saving it unchanged. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Hadn't seen your reply to yourself at my talk page before saving the above. That sentence might justify using it where the same editor had in the same recent batch of edits made repeated similar unconstructive edits, but (IMO, anyway) you'd have to remove the first one with normal editing and an explanation to the user before going on to rollback the rest. Best not to use rollback unless it's obvious vandalism. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 12:25, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Bom retorno

Fico feliz que tenha abandonado a ideia de se retirar. Isso, edite menos, mas continue colaborando. Eu estou fazendo o mesmo. Abraço e bom fim de semana. RaulseixasRaulseixas 20 April 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, welcome back Vasco. The place is better with you. I understand our third game is against you lot. Ha, we'll make minced Linguiça out of you this time, and I hope that's just metaphorically. Drmies (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Valero & Riau

I have added both articles to my watchlist and will monitor fir further disruption. Thanks, GiantSnowman 15:05, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I'll monitor Leite as well. Don't forget - revert, then warn using the templayes at WP:WARN (you really need to start doing this - even if they ignore you, keep on doing it! Warn level 1, then 2, then 3, then 4 - then you have evidence that they have ignored you and continue to vandalise) then report at WP:AIV. You have a MUCH better chance at AIV if warnings already exist on the IP talk page. GiantSnowman 16:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Valero

• Re copyedit: I don't tend to look at who made any previous edits, so I've no idea whether you wrote it all or not. The edit summary was more a reminder to myself to check it over when I had the time, rather than just reverting the anon. For instance, "Grown through the ranks of Real Madrid" just isn't English, there were various spelling and grammar bits that needed fixing, and some of the refs didn't verify their sentences, e.g. the CBS ref for his international debut didn't actually mention his name...
• Re citations: it doesn't matter what style we use, either {{cite web}} style templates, or hand-coded, or any other permitted style, but we should pick one method and just use that. See WP:CITEVAR. The Valero article had more refs formatted with the cite templates, so I standardised on those. If you want to have them all hand-coded, please feel free to do that. If using cite templates, it doesn't matter what order we supply the parameters in, they automatically come out in the standard order.
• Re linking: we're advised against putting two or more links next to each other so it looks like a single link, see WP:LINK#General points on linking style bullet point 5, that suggests choosing the most specific link. We're also advised against expecting the reader to guess where a link will go: if the word "match" is blue, the reader shouldn't have to guess that it actually links to 2006–07 Copa del Rey. They shouldn't be expected to hover over every blue word to see if it's a useful link or not, even if they have the technology to do so.
• Re piping club names: it's standard practice both in English and Spanish prose not to use the full club name. The Spanish match report from the Real Madrid website refers to the teams as Real Madrid and Écija, not Real Madrid C.F. and Écija Balompié, standard written English refers to the clubs Mr Valero moved to as Villarreal and Mallorca, and so should we. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:42, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Anfres Guardado

Thank you for improving it, I really only updated his stats. The article was a big mess before and it was really outdated. GoPurple'nGold₂₄ 18:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Nuno Mendes

Greetings Vasco. Thank you for your help. He does appear to have fallen off the radar completely. The source I provided for Valecambrense did say he was with them when I added it but it isn't there now so maybe it was just a trial like you said, or he suffered a serious injury, or just didn't want to play any more. I'll amend it now. Argyle 4 Life^talk 01:25, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

Diogo Amado

Hi Vasco - I've added it to my watchlist. As I've said before, just revert & warn. No need for anything more such as some of your more passionate edit summaries - that's probably giving them the fun they seek. Thanks, GiantSnowman 14:53, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

User:Kostas45

I am going on holiday tomorrow - Portugal actually! - but will file an ANI report before I go, seeking community ban. GiantSnowman 18:09, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Haha, no, I am going to Porto for a week. Anyway, I have proposed a community ban for Antony at WP:ANI. GiantSnowman 18:17, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

Kostas45

I see someone's already taken care of it. (Admins will sort out things like this if you report them to the right place, you don't need to ask me every time you want an admin to do something.) Hut 8.5 15:03, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

User:Alexgreene87

Dear Vasco,

Can you help me with a page. I need help putting the kits for the teams involved with the 2012 Taça da Liga Final. Gil Vicente's kit for the final was yellow.

12:40, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Woolridge

Hello, there. I see Bagumba replied about this elsewhere, but yeah, there was a discussion about combining the links at the NBA project (WT:NBA). Frankly, I don't care too much either way, but that's what people have decided. (In case you're confused, my last edit to the Woolridge page was to do this. I haven't done anything with the external links section of that article.)

I think if you wanted to create a separate link, you would need to account for the fact that it is a historical NBA profile: [1]. You might have to type out the whole URL for the link to work.

You know, I've seen you around NBA articles a lot, but I don't think I've ever thanked you for your hard work. So, thanks! Your efforts are much appreciated. Zagalejo^^^ 19:13, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Luca Toni

Sorry for misinterpreting, we don't have the luxury of tone and body language on the internet, just our interpretation of what's written. But don't worry about it, I didn't think much of it. TonyStarks (talk) 00:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

"Timmy"

I've dropped a note at their latest talk page, hopefully they'll see it. It's difficult trying to communicate with someone on a dynamic IP because they get a fresh IP address, and consequently a fresh talk page, every time they log in. If they persist at Vierinha, take it to the article talk page, and explain there what the problem is. Then if they persist, have a look at the Dispute resolution policy page and see if there's any helpful advice there. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:37, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Wouldn't worry about Eren Derdiyok, those comments were weeks ago, and someone's worked on the article since. If I were you, I wouldn't use rollback on their edits: it isn't vandalism, because they are (however incompetently) trying to improve the encyclopedia. Remember that unless it's incomprehensible, libellous, or blatant copyvio, there's no real rush to fix it, and if some of it's worth keeping, you can always just cut the really bad parts and keep the rest. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry

I'm literally on my way out for the evening, only came back to the computer to shut it down. If he's still not had an answer when I'm next on, I'll look at it, but kits is not my strength. again, sorry. Struway2 (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I've fixed the Benfica kit so it displays, someone else had already changed the Gil Vicente one, and I've left a reply at his request at WT:FOOTY. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:01, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

2011–12 La Liga Play-Off, corrección del inglés

Hola VascoAmaral, que tal? saludos desde Reus, Catalunya. Sé que tus conocimientos de inglés son bastante buenos y yo reconozco que los míos son bastante flojillos. Me gustaría pedirte por favor, si me podrías corregir este artículo, sobretodo el "report" que voy a ir haciendo de cada equipo, de momento he hecho para el Valladolid, te lo agradecería mucho. Un saludo bien fuerte ~~ tot-futbol (talk) 18:38, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Hola VascoAmaral, Muchas gracias por la ayuda! La verdad que reconozco que tengo un nivel de inglés bajo y entre mis conocimientos de Segunda y los conocimientos de inglés de ti, se puede hacer un buen artículo sin que yo tenga todas las habilidades. Ahora miro lo del overlinking y demás cambios currados que has hecho y hago los cambios que crea convenientes. Saludos desde Catalunya. ~~ tot-futbol (talk) 22:19, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Lo de Manolo Preciado ha sido muy inesperado. Esta mañana en la oficina, un compañero me ha pasado el enlace y leyendo el mismo enlace ya estaba alucinando, tampoco creo que cayera mal a todos, y lo del Real Oviedo es normal por el pique con el Sporting, su posterior amistad con Mourinho es poco creíble aunque hago un acto de fe. La verdad que ha sido una persona que ha podido caer mal a algunos y bien a otros, se le veía un tipo sin tapujos y directo aunque buena persona en el fondo y afable. Al menos él hizo 5 ascensos a Primera, Clemente sí que cae mal a casi todo el mundo y solo baja equipos! jeje Saludos desde Catalunya. ~~ tot-futbol (talk) 22:47, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Re: WP:FOOTY

Hi Vasco! Like my message said, I wasn't trying to be rude at all, I tried my best to get my point across without you taking it the wrong way. I was just genuinely baffled as to why you brought it up, nothing more. Sorry if it did come off rude it was not my intention at all! Like I've said before, we don't have the benefit of tone and body language on the internet, just our interpretation of the words. Take care, I'm guessing this won't be the last time we misunderstand each other :D, so apologies in advance for the next one .. TonyStarks (talk) 03:13, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Estimado amigo

Estimado amigo, VascoAmaral: Disculpa mi silencio estas últimas semanas. No tengo nada en contra tuya y no estoy enfadado. Hago lo que puedo y sé que mi opinión no cuenta en Wikipedia, por lo que ya lo he asumido. Wikipedia es una democracia barnizada, pero todos sabemos que los que cortan el bacalao son los "usuarios top" como diría Mourinho. Sobre ti, tranquilo que te respeto y valoro tus contribuciones en Wikipedia. No te contesté porque ando de avión en avión y me estoy contectando desde el iPad (es algo incómodo para editar), así que entro a Wikipedia, veo "My watchlist", edito algo muy concreto que no puede esperar y espero a poder contribuir cuando me siento ante mi ordenador de casa y tengo tranquilidad y tiempo disponible. Espero que mi contestación te relaje y te deje tranquilo, es la verdad. Seguimos en contacto. Un abrazo. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 11:22, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

2012–13 FK Austria Wien season

I know you've made several edits to Roland Linz. Would you like to help edit the 2012–13 FK Austria Wien season? Kingjeff (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Hélder Postiga

Vasco, I think I must have missed the memo saying we should selectively pick and choose how/where we display team names? I've never seen the bio of a player who has competed for an English club ever be formatted like that. I can guaranteee if you flick through Category:Tottenham Hotspur F.C. players, at least 99% of the articles use "Tottenham Hotspur" and not the shortened "Tottenham" in the infobox, in section headers, in its first instance in the text (lead and main body), career stats table etc. Can't say I've ever seen it done otherwise in all my six years here!

Another couple of minor 'bones to pick' with you. In the ntupdate infobox parameter you replaced "18:55, 9 June 2012 (UTC)" with "9 June 2012", but the two update parameters should be updated using five tildes (~~~~~), meaning the former is the correct style. Also, I'm a little confused as to what the space between DEFAULTSORT and the first category is there for; there's no visual disruption from it but I can't see any tangible benefits either. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

To be honest it seems natural/normal to me seeing the full team name (without the F.C. of course) being displayed in the infobox/career stats etc, so I don't have any qualms with it. Also, I think shortening it might be a little misleading, giving the impression that the club is only known as "Tottenham" (obviously that can be put right by people using the wikilink to the club's article, but on first sight anyway). I agree with your logic regarding DEFAULTSORT, but I'd regard DEFAULTSORT and categories as being part of the same section; instead I'd add spaces inbetween squad templates and Persondata templates, for example.

And I can't say I'm all that worried about how England will fare at the Euros; I'm always more concerned with club matters, so I'm just satisfied (to say the least) with York returning to the Football League. At the end of the day England will finish where they deserve to finish, I'm not a great believer in luck, and that'll be somewhere behind the usual suspects of Spain, Germany, Holland, Portugal etc. Although I would enjoy watching another tearful performance from your man Ronnie! Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 15:19, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Players to check

Hi Vasco In updating an article for UD Sousense I have come across 3 players that do not appear to be notable:

• Luís Capela
• Fábio Gabriel
• André Paiva

League Octopus (League Octopus 12:50, 11 June 2012 (UTC)).

User:Santicallleja

I'm back in England now thanks, Portugal was lovely though! Adding one or two valid external links isn't an issue, it's only a problem if there are lots and lots. Thanks, GiantSnowman 07:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Boncho Genchev

Soccerbase template like magic ;) GiantSnowman 17:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

User:Creed7

I think it was a joke, albeit not a very funny one... GiantSnowman 07:50, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Dragutinović

Not at all, feel free to pester me as much as you want - but bear in mind that there are pretty high thresholds for vandalism blocks/page protection and you'll have to be patient. Plus it's always tricky with IPs. GiantSnowman 21:34, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

WP Football in the Signpost

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Timmy/Pablo

I'd seen Timmy96's comment. He hasn't edited since under that name, although he has anonymously, but to be honest I'm not prepared to use all my Wiki-time chasing one disruptive editor round the encyclopedia. Much prefer writing. I used the Spanish article for Pablo's debut because I wanted to use what it said about his performance during the game. The ESPN one just listed his name in the teamsheet. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 06:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Borja Valero and the use of the edit summary

Vasco, please don't carry on at me in edit summaries. That's not what they're for. If you want to discuss the particular wording of part of an article, or how Wikipedia guidelines on linking apply to that article, then please do it calmly at the talk page of the relevant article, or at the talk page of an editor who you think may be able to help. Struway2 (talk) 15:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

If the article's being actively edited, then it may be not unreasonable to communicate by edit summary. Nobody had touched Borja Valero for weeks, I saw the summary by chance, and if I misunderstood its tone then I apologise.

As I've said before, we aren't writing for the football expert. We're writing for the general reader, or for the reader who may follow football but not be well informed on European competition formats. It may be obvious to you and me that league finishing position in one season gives qualification for the following season's European competitions, but what harm does it do to make it clear for those to whom it might not be obvious? There's no need to include the 2010-11 Europa League format every time, but then again, there's no need to construct sentences so that useful links are hidden under unexpected words where the reader might not spot them.

Please feel free to seek other opinions. Struway2 (talk) 17:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

CD Operário

Hi Vasco. I took some photos of this club last Summer and have written a new article for CD Operário. If you have taken any photos of football grounds of middle and lower tier Portuguese clubs it would be great to use them to enable me to develop a reasonable club article or two. Kind regards League Octopus (League Octopus 19:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)).

Re:AfD's / Others

Lots going on here:

• I will PROD those two articles.
• Regarding writing "club/team", it's just personal preference.
• Regarding WP:KARLSRUHER, why not start a discussion at WT:FOOTY if you disagree? GiantSnowman 17:31, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

• Then as perplexing as it may seem to you, that is the community consensus and must be adhered to. GiantSnowman 17:46, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Original Barnstar
	For your hard work of maintaining football-related articles in the English Wikipedia! Keep it up buddy! =) Yours faithfully, Kotakkasut. 03:33, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Miki Roqué

Hey, I hope the edits I made on Miki Roqué's article are fine. Let me know if anything comes up. Best, ComputerJA (talk) 23:55, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Jaime Miguel Linares

Hi Vasco, how are you? I hope all is well. Anyways, for the article in the title, I added an almost complete infobox to the article. I was just wondering if you could expand the text of the article. He's an Angola player who is born and raised in Portugal. I remember reading a long time ago that he got into a car accident with some teammates while he was at Boavista and that kind of slowed down his career. However, I can't seem to find that article anymore. I figured it would be easier for someone that speaks Portuguese to find it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks and take care. TonyStarks (talk) 20:28, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow that was quick! I knew I wasn't wrong about asking you :D .. also, I didn't know that Bosingwa was involved. Are any of the other players "famous"? TonyStarks (talk) 21:03, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Just had a look at the article, great work! Just one thing I have to annoy you with, CA Bordj Bou Arréridj has to stay like that. We've had already had our "argument" about Algerian football club names (see Rafik Halliche) :D .. so I'll be changing that back! Thanks once again though! TonyStarks (talk) 21:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Oh no, I meant I was going to annoy you by changing it back, not the opposite. TonyStarks (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

PC updates

Hi Vasco, no it's nice and rainy here in Northern England. Fancy swapping? Regarding PC updates, I tend to change the date to the day of update, not day of game - but as long as the date is accurate, there's no real harm. Technically I could change the 'pcupdate' parameter every day and it would still be correct, as no more games have been played? GiantSnowman 14:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

"playing club" I think - but we're both right. Basically as long as the date and the stats are both correct and match up, we're fine. You keep on doing your way, I'll keep on doing my way - everyone's happy! GiantSnowman 15:13, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Sorry man--I was actually rooting for you all. Drmies (talk) 22:54, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

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Our favorite editor moved to another base

Our mutually beloved editor who we'll miss terribly has gone on to ruin the Greek Wikipedia now: [2] :P I'm not going to hunt him there, but I have raised awareness. :) Cheers! – Kosm1fent 19:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Germany–Italy football rivalry

Boas Vasco. Espero que esteja tudo bem contigo. Anyway, achas que consegues melhorar esta página com os teus conhecimentos futebolísticos? Criei apenas há bocado e irei adicionar as cenas (texto e jogos) aos poucos. Se tiveres alguma sugestão, "apita". Abraço. --Hydao (talk) 01:51, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Obrigado pela resposta rápida. Sim, vou ver se deixo lá alguma mensagem! :) Boa noite. --Hydao (talk) 01:58, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Ignacio Aznar

Thanks, I will PROD. Have a good one. GiantSnowman 11:25, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

¿Por qué tanto interés en hacer desaparecer futbolistas españoles de larga trayectoria en Segunda B?. ¿Los futbolistas ingleses de la Tercera o Cuarta categoría también son "asesinados"?. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 11:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Correct - they are fully-professional leagues, the Segunda B is not. GiantSnowman 14:25, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Perdona por incluirte entre los "asesinos" (es broma). Comprendido pero no compartido. Saludos... y buen fin de semana (si España gana a Italia mejor) Mega60 (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Carlos Javier Acuña

Hi Vasco, sorry for my tardiness in responding. That's fine, I never read anything into it. It seems our standards for category organisation do differ; I usually put personal (YOB, LP, POB), nationality, national team cats, playing position, clubs, divisions (both of those in chronological order), expatriate. This article provides an example of this in practice. I guess the difference between our styles is a national/cultural thing; what I've described seems to be universally applied for English-based players, but perhaps not for others.

While we're in dialogue, I'd like to explain my edits at Bruno Alves. I don't think it's particularly necessary to have the "Team" and "Individual" subheaders, as I think our readership will easily realise that Individual isn't a club, or some similar type of confusion. I'm also unsure how "*Taça da Liga Runner-up: 2009–10" is incorrect. Nobody is saying or implying that everything before the colon is part of the competition name. Rather, I would think that the format reads as follows: [Competition name] [Result (if won leave blank, if runner-up then say as such)]: [season]. Like this, for example. Hope that makes some sense. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:55, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Portuguese Second Division

Sorry Vaso I missed your question. No I have not been able to communicate with Secretaria but I sort of understand people that just want to concentrate on their particular Wikipedia task. There are sadly very few people contributing to Portuguese football on WP and in my view we should do our utmost to try to keep everyone on board. In my Finnish football work I have come across a guy like Secretaria that just will not communicate but when you look at his work one soon appreciates that he is the prime mover of top level Finnish football. Going back to Secretaria he did not want to reply to my communication but he did respond with his actions to my Makeover of Portuguese Football submission to WP FOOTY. I sort of appreciated that. Kind regards. League Octopus (League Octopus 05:45, 2 July 2012 (UTC))

PRODs

Cheers Vasco, I'll tag them all up later today! GiantSnowman 08:10, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Kim Vilfort

Y I've removed the warning.Thanks!--Anderson9990 - Talk to me - False Positive? Report it! 01:17, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Gerard Piqué

Olá Vasco, como está? Após longo tempo, parece que o babaca do PeeJay vai começar a encher a paciência novamente no artigo Gerard Piqué. Se você observar, ele está trocando "Spanish name" por "Catalan name". Ainda está inserindo Catalonia no infobox entre "Barcelona" e "Spain". Também está, mais uma vez, retirando o 'Runner-up' da Copa del Rey. E, por fim, está colocando numerais nos títulos, o que havia retirado (a teu pedido). Enfim, o cara é teimoso e tal... Você pode falar com ele? Explicar que ele não manda no wikipedia e que respeite o trabalho dos outros. Porque ele está cometendo uma série de erros contrários ao nosso trabalho, do jeito que você e eu fazemos. Por favor, veja o que pode fazer nesse caso. Obrigado.

Pelo visto, como era de se esperar, não surtiu muito efeito seu pedido. De toda forma, ele se quer mesmo inserir numerais e retirar o runner-up, não vou mais insistir... não quero ser bloqueado. A única coisa que insisto é que é um "Spanish name" e não "Catalan name". E obrigado pela ajuda.

Com certeza, esse é o cara mais chato do WP. Viu que ele voltou a reverter a edição? Daí de raiva voltei a incluir a runner-up nos títulos e removi os numerais. O cara não faz uma concessão sequer... Chato, chato! Creio que devemos estar unidos nessa.

Certo, entendi. Eu desisto. Como sempre será do jeito dele. Pedi, ao menos, pra poder inserir o runner-up, mas nem isso. Ele NUNCA permitiu algo, sempre é do jeito que ele quer no final. Você está certo, alguns jogadores é melhor desistir de editar.- --Marcospace (talk) 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Podemos concordar, mas ele não aceitará. E como não quero mais me incomodar, nem vou ligar. Paciência, é o jeito. Realmente, alguns casos nem vale a pena editar (como jogadores que passaram pelo futebol inglês)- --Marcospace (talk) 5 July 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that the {{Catalan name}} template would be more appropriate since he was born in Catalonia and his name uses the Catalan "i" instead of the Spanish "y" (see "Gerard Piqué i Bernabeu" and Spanish naming customs#Catalan names). Obviously I'm not Spanish or from anywhere near there, so I don't know the exact situation, but from what various Wikipedia pages say, {{Catalan name}} seems right. – PeeJay 12:18, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

I completely understand that argument, and I will always revert anyone who tries to claim that Pique, Xavi or anyone else is a Catalan footballer since Catalan is not a nationality. However, there are certain regional customs, such as naming conventions, that should be highlighted through use of templates like {{Catalan name}}. Also, I don't see the problem with the infobox saying his birthplace is "Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain". Catalonia is a region of Spain, not just a wannabe country. – PeeJay 12:24, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

If it's for space concerns, then fair enough. I'm not sure I agree entirely, but I'll leave it now. – PeeJay 12:29, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

By the way, Google Translate is a wonderful thing. It helped me realise that Marcospace has no reason for wanting "Catalonia" left out of Pique's infobox. Therefore, I will put it back. I would do the same with any player, whether they are from Catalonia, Extremadura or Aragon. I'm not trying to support some sort of Catalan nationalist cause so don't give me bullshit excuses like "compression", because that is clearly irrelevant. I like you, man, I think you do good work, but don't antagonise me just because Marcospace has some anti-Catalan agenda that he wants to fight with me about. – PeeJay 11:44, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

And if you could pass this message along, the only reason I'm focusing on Piqué is because my watchlist covers every player who has ever played for Manchester United; it just so happens that he is the only Catalan to ever play for us, so if there are specific guidelines regarding Spanish player articles that I'm not aware of, please let me know. And don't let the language barrier stand in your way or Marcospace's way again. – PeeJay 11:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

OK, perhaps "bullshit" was too strong a word, but it seemed like you were using "compression" as a lame excuse to remove "Catalonia" from the box. I know you're not trying to eradicate all mentions of it from the article, but I get the feeling that Marcospace does have some sort of Spanish nationalist agenda (although the language barrier might have something to do with that). As it stands, putting "Catalonia" in the infobox does not expand the box too much – the place of birth is still narrower than the playing stats section – so I can't see why anyone would have a problem with it beyond anti-Catalan sentiment. Sorry again if I sounded too aggressive; as I said, I think you're a good guy. – PeeJay 15:11, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Oh, and what I found using Google Translate was that Marcospace seems to have no reason for removing mentions of "Catalan name" and "Catalonia" other than WP:IDONTLIKEIT. – PeeJay 15:12, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, it should definitely be included in the body of the text, that much is certain. To be honest, I don't really care whether it is included in the box, but I am opposed to people deleting or adding content for reasons of personal politics. – PeeJay 15:36, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I wouldn't put county/region in the infobox - just city and country - but I would put it in the main body. GiantSnowman 15:47, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

BDFUTBOL.COM

Víctor (es el nombre del "alma mater" de la web) cree que hay muy pocas temporadas de la Copa del Rey completas (desde la 2005/06 a la actualidad) para poner en la ficha de cada jugador. Espera a tener más ediciones para que pueda verse como los partidos de Liga o de competiciones europeas. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 16:12, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

AfDs

Thanks, I'll tag them in a little while! GiantSnowman 16:30, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

There's a list of fully-professional leagues at WP:FPL. GiantSnowman 07:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Juan Riquelme

So you are mad that I added a source about Riquelme leaving Boca? How is that over editing? Rupert1904 (talk) 16:57, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

I don't think I try to over detail articles. I just try to update them when something important happens and scoring your first goal, or multiple goals, or a game winning goal, or a goal in a derby match, etc are key things that I think should be included in a wiki file. I hate all the football related articles on wiki that are under detailed and are stubs and all I want to do is make them all better quality by editing and lengthening footballers pages with relevant info and good sources. Sorry for trying to help. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:18, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

You obviously don't know English as well as you think you do, I was not being sarcastic at all. I want to help wiki better and I have been dedicated to doing just that for the past few years. I did not talk about 25 of the 38 games Lisandro played in a given Ligue 1 season or Huntelaar in 34 Bundesliga games. It seems that you just want to target me and this is curious because if you have ever seen the Eden Hazard page you could see that has bucket-loads of, probably excessive, info and all I want do is make other pages up to the quality and credibility of his and others. Abraços. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Will you please stop trying to act like a victim here. You judge me by my editing articles skills and say I edit as I want with no regards for others and that I OVERDETAIL, which is in fact aggressive since you wrote it in all caps, once again you fail to understand the concepts of my language. I speak a little Portuguese but you don't see me being abrasive about it and attacking page edits that you are proud of on wikipedia. How about yo go back and look at the Lisandro page before I ever started editing it and you can compare the current revision to that one and see what you like better. And secondly I was just pointing out that it was not sarcasm, because it is hard to judge inflection over text and it's a hard concept for non-native English speakers to understand in English just as it would be in any other language. And finally with my articles I try to make them as great as they can be and I want to help them achieve the GA status like I did with Atletico Madrid and PSG so why are you judging me and my edits if you are not one to judge on Hazard's page. Desculpe por ferir você, obrigado e bom dia. Rupert1904 (talk) 19:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

talk

"don't know what have i done to you, only wanted to help from the beginning" - you wrote this to me a few days ago, just wanted to clear the air, I never did anything ugly or disrespectful to you but it seems the opposite for you. Wikipedia is open to the public as us editers all know and I can see when you and Jaelle communicate about me and try to demean and belittle me and I do not appreciate it. Thank you and I hope you stop doing this to me and other users. I have never stated that I think every goal is important and don't add every goal to every page, for the record. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

João Moutinho

Hey - I've protected the page and added to my watchlist. FYI - if I'm not about in future then try at WP:RFPP. Cheers, GiantSnowman 19:36, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicola Legrottaglie

Hi Vasco, I was honestly a little bit offended when you assumed that I would just care less or wouldn't reply to your message. That isn't the type of person I am, nor is it the type of editor I am. I always reply and I am always very willing to compromise or discuss articles. I actually did not realize the issue regarding A.C. ChievoVerona. I had continuously just thought that it was simply a typo. I see now that the "name" is not separated and I apologize. And as for the sub-sections - I only added those this most recent time that I edited Legrottaglie's article. I have looked over the revisions that you made and just feel that some of the detail that I added makes the article more equipped. If you don't mind, I was going to touch it up again with a few things that I believe will enhance the article, and if you disagree, we can speak again. Thanks! Have a nice weekend as well. Juve10 (talk) 04:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Vicente

Hi Vasco, as you may have seen Vicente is scheduled to return to Brighton training tomorrow after sorting out 'personal issues' back in Spain. Don't really think that news warrants a mention on his article though. At Brighton, he plays as an attacking midfielder usually in a 5 man midfield so I agree this should be his alternate position.RM-Taylor (talk) 19:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Sergio Marcos

22 games in 2009-10, 36 in 2010-11, 29 in 2011-12. 22 + 36 + 29 = 87. How about doing the research properly instead of trying to overrule somebody who actually watches Atletico B every week? I know it will be deleted, you could have at least changed it to Villarreal B player now though. Thanks --82.32.214.23 (talk) 21:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

No need for the apology man, it had slipped my mind too that Villarreal B were also Segunda B too so sorry as well. Anyway the page will be gone next week, keep up the good work --82.32.214.23 (talk) 21:34, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Juve10

Hello again Vasco, I just received the message you sent to me today. I have not been online the past few days. Apology completely accepted and I am thrilled that we have reached a common target. I agree completely with the decision you made in regards to Barzagli and his transfer fee. It has very little - if nothing - to do with Legrottaglie. Thank you for respecting the edits and enhancements that I have made to the article and I will also respect yours. I am Juventus fan...with a hometown in Catania...so as you can tell, these are the two clubs that I keep up on the most. Have a good week and I will speak with you again soon. Thanks! Juve10 (talk) 14:35, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:External links

Hi there. I will take that into consideration. BTW, this IP: 217.129.65.54, that I stumbled upon on the Thomas Schaaf article; is that you, or someone you know? 62.50.175.31 (talk) 01:12, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, regarding templates; first I think that awards should come, then [random club] managers, then current squad and then league managers. (like the article with Mourinho). Regarding bold – I can drop that. – 62.50.175.31 (talk) 20:00, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, i can probably agree on the "(1)", but I guess it is a bit inconsistent to remove them. But I agree that it is a bit unnecessary to have the (1)'s – 62.50.175.31 (talk) 20:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Overdetail

It's fine, don't worry about it. It's just tough when you think someone is criticizing your work when you are proud of it and work hard on it. If it is any consolation you can look at my recent contributions and see that I only do the expanded reference style that y'all prefer. Rupert1904 (talk) 15:03, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Catalonia & templates

Hi Vasco - I have reverted and warned our Catalan friend; regarding U19 templates, they are allowed as long as they serve a purpose i.e. link between a number of players, not just 2 or 3. So you might well se U17 templates that link 25 players - that is fine - and you might also see senior templates that only link 1 or 2 being deleted. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Títulos

Hola, en el caso de Jordi Alba, la cuestión es la calidad y resolución de la foto. En la que puse en el perfil principal, el jugador se ve de frente y tiene una mayor resolución. Respecto a los demás la explicación es similar, mayor relevancia y calidad de las fotos. Un saludo. Frecuentaje (talk) 17:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1637288

http://www.mehrnews.com/fa/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1637288 — Preceding unsigned comment added by MFredow (talk • contribs) 00:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Re: Nome de Clube

Olá Vasco, espera que esteja tudo bem desde a última vez que falámos!

Em futuras situações terei esse cuidado e colocarei Sporting B sempre que me referir ao Sporting Clube de Portugal B, foi por mera falta de paciência que não o fiz (e também porque agora com o indiano é uma boa oportunidade para eles aprenderem a dizer o nome correctamente, ao invés do Sporting Lisbon que me irrita (como Sportinguista, como tu já sabes)).

Quanto ao Tiago Ilori, permite-me discordar e manter a minha versão. Aliás, na própria página Wikipedia:About, vem lá que "O mais importante a salientar é que isto não é um fórum de debates. É uma enciclopédia e portanto o conteúdo deve ser o mais imparcial de opiniões possível, sempre tentando entrar num consenso geral de ideias.", e aquela parte da frase, além de desnecessária, entra no campo da opinião e da subjectividade. Como tal, quem quiser saber mais sobre a estreia do Ilori e como lhe correu o jogo, basta seguir a referência e aí sim fica a saber como lhe correu o jogo e se falhou ou não. (Mais informações em Wikipedia:Neutral point of view) Relativamente aos links, se reparares o que eu fiz nos vários jogadores da selecção sub-19 que vão representar o Sporting B foi precisamente isso: uniformizar! Até porque no caso do ForaDeJogo, por exemplo, além de estatísticas tens também o perfil, daí que stats and profile fosse mais apropriado.

Quantos aos templates, fiz mais aquele para que os "polícias da wikipedia" deixassem o Ricardo Esgaio em paz já que o nomearam para speedy deletion.

Recordando uma nossa conversa antiga sobre os nossos clubes, em que tu te referiste como "candidato" a adepto do Athletic Bilbao, deixa-me dizer-te que fui lá este ano acompanhar o meu clube e também eu fiquei adepto! Aliás, deves ter visto a confraternização entre adeptos no final do jogo! Nem imaginas o ambiente em Bilbao: as varandas das casas invadidas por bandeiras com as cores do clube, putos a irem para a escola com a camisola do clube, metro de superfície forrado com os jogadores do clube, manequins das lojas com cachecóis do clube... Enfim, a cidade vive e respira o clube. E depois sentimo-nos bem recebidos até antes do jogo, podiamos andar com as nossas cores e com os nossos cachecóis à vontade, os carros apitam e os condutores diziam "Aupa Athletic!", as pessoas na rua abordavam-nos com simpatia, até velhotas a roçar os 90 anos andavam de cachecol e "metiam-se" connosco com o tradicional "Aupa Athletic". Pena as condições dentro do estádio, mas como percebi em conversa com os stewards do estádio com quem falei (um senhor com os seus 50 anos e uma rapariga com perto de 30 anos, que já eram meus amigos no final e até nos despedimos) a culpa não foi deles mas sim da UEFA. Portanto, muito boa a tua escolha, deixa-me dizer-te!

Abraço, e devolvo o desejo de boas férias se/quando for caso disso User:RRR22 (talk) 16:52, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Jonathan Lopez

Well thank you for correcting that page, I wasn't quite sure about it either, I gained my information using Football Manager biographies since they are supposed to be as they were in reality. But as far as I know he was part of the U21 Spanish Team as we read in the Greek newspaper and he had 1 official appearance as well with Valencia, he also had played many matches with Valencia B. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PanosBonJovi (talk • contribs) 05:53, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Greetings Panos. Have in mind that Football Manager is just a game and it gives no proof as to whether the gathered information about the ex-careers of players is 100% accurate. So use it rarely, especially when more reliable sources are present. Cheers. – Kosm1fent 06:25, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

RE:References

Sure thing, daddy-o. I'll try to improve!

Etzo

Sorry, bad attempt of "humor" :-) No hard fiilings!

Etzo.

OH!! I didn't know it was you, because there was only IP showing. I thought it was just some random writer, trying to make me mad (which already happened)

Sorry!!!

Etzo.

Diego Capel

Não percebo qual é o teu problema com que escrevi na página do Diego Capel, pus informações úteis, como a cláusula de rescisão e tu meteste uma coisa sem qualquer interesse que era o valor que se falava (os 6M), quando os valores falados foram muitos, assim como não percebo o que é que o número de jogos que ele fez pelo Sevilla na época passada tem a ver com a sua carreira no Sporting. E não percebo qual é o mal de dizer quando foi a primeira vez que jogou pela sua nova equipa. Skrewum8

Helmuth Duckadam

hi, Vasco,

Cyperus here. you have made a mistake, Duckadam is 1.93 but the databases are wrong.

here is a photo with him and Roxana Ciuhulescu from Promotor, she is well known in Romania for long legs and a height of 192 cm:

http://assets.sport.ro/assets/protv/2010/09/23/image_galleries/168/helmuth-duckadam-n-avea-bani-de-benzina-pentru-mercedesul-500-sel_1_size1.jpg

also an article of his biography to confirm his real height:

http://biografii.famouswhy.ro/helmuth_duckadam/ (Inaltime: 1,93 cm)

and a photo with him and Florin Prunea; about Prunea (1.83 m), the Romanian press always wrote he was a pretty small goalkeeper. you know, goalkeepers have around 190 cm. Prunea was a rare case and about Duckadam they never talked like he was a short GK. :)

http://89.47.247.56/usr/thumbs/thumb_500_x_279/2000/1314-296689-florin_prunea_helmuth_duckadam_mare.jpg

see the photo, Helmuth has 10 cm over him!

OK

Tudo bem Vasco, somente achei que não estava completo. MYS77 (talk)

Guilherme Cascavel

Fala Vasco. Vi que você removeu minhas alterações na página do Guilherme Capra Bacinello. Realmente ele está jogando no Chipre, conheço o jogador e entrei em contato via email com ele, ele está no AEP Paphos, apesar de a notícia não ter sido divulgada pela imprensa... fonte:http://www.soccerway.com/players/guilherme-capra-bacinello/56878/

Beto (Portuguese footballer born 1982)

Hi vasco, somebody has taken the cfr cluj template off Beto when he plays for the club. They have also added the fc porto template when he is not even at the club., 17:13 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Sugestão e dúvida

Olá Vasco, como estás? Espero que tudo certo. Cara, tenho uma sugestão e uma dúvida. Não sei se você viu reportagens hoje no jornais Sport (Barcelona) e Marca (Madrid) relatando que o Lionel Messi e o Bojan Krkić são primos de quatro grau... quem sabe isso pode ser relatado no perfil deles. O que você acha? Posso te passar os links, se você não encontrar. Já quanto a dúvida se refere ao Fernando Llorente. Ele é descrito como striker, mas pelo que já conversamos ele não seria um centre forward? Ele é alto, não tem média de gols tão alta como a maioria dos strikes clássicos, faz bem o pivô e marca geralmente gols de cabeça. O que você me diz? (só para deixar claro, não vou alterar, é apenas para eu entender... mas se você concordar comigo, pode até alterar). Um abraço e até outra. Raulseixas 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Obrigado pelas respostas, amigo. O link é http://www.marca.com/2011/10/12/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1318438343.html Creio que já basta, mas qualquer coisa, me grita. Realmente, se você pegar o artigo do Messi para arrumar, ficará três horas mesmo. Ah, aproveitando a oportunidade, mexi no artigo do Joan Verdú, dizendo que ele pode atuar como defensive ou central midfield. Mas você pode ver se está tudo correto? Aliás, estou

incrementando alguns artigos de jogadores do Barcelona e Barcelona B, especialmente neste quesito da posição. E como o usuário Mega acrescentou os jogos do Barcelona C, estou colocando também. Se quiser ajudar nesta questão, sempre que quiser/puder, és bem vindo.

Já quanto ao Llorente, concordo também com teus argumentos. Questionei porque fiquei na dúvida, mas realmente ele é bem habilidoso com os pés, portanto striker não lhe cai mal. Portanto deixamos assim. Abraço e novamente obrigado pelas respostas.

Ah sim, mas ele Joan Verdú jogou na temporada passada vários jogos como defensive, no lugar do Javi Márquez, que estava lesionado. Mas tudo bem, deixamos como você modificou. Obrigado pela ajuda. Aliás, no Javi Márquez está somente central midfielder. Mas ele joga quase sempre como defensive. Podes alterar para defensive or central... acho que é mais correto, não acha? E aproveitando que estamos falando do Espanyol, o Javi López tem jogado exclusivamente, desde a temporada passada, como right defender. Você acha que podemos citar isso no resuminho (início do perfil dele) ou deixamos como está? Cara, novamente obrigado pela consideração.

Legal, ficou bem mais completo e certo agora. Concordo plenamente, o Verdú rende mais jogando na frente. E realmente, o Espanyol sofre muito com as lesões, geralmente graves. Se não fosse isso, eles poderiam estar bem melhor classificados. Abraço e até outra.

Oi Amigo, claro, podemos. Eu havia alterado há algum tempo já. Mas devia ter te pedido antes, assim como comecei a fazer depois. Na verdade, eu só vi ele jogar agora. Acredito que ele podia ser mais avançado. Aliás, ele joga mais como meia atacante do que winger. Se quiser alterar, fica a teu critério. Abraço e boa semana.

Rimou mesmo. O 'problema' destes jovens jogadores é que eles mudam muito de posição até se firmar em alguma. Acho que do jeito que ficou agora está legal. Qualquer coisa, grita.

Amigo, no Isaac Cuenca adicionei e alterei informações sobre seus times de infância... na caixa. Você pode alterar e adequar no texto. Grato.

Raulseixas 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Luis Martins

Dear Vasco,

A user has just told me to bugger off as I was previously pararubbas. 217.129.65.54.

Ulof4

Thanks for your correction and help Vasco Amaral, I hope that you notify other mistake like this of Abreu if you detect it. Good luck in your editions, I would like to edit with you and help you, I don't know if you want, if you accept leave me the message in my talk.

Carefuly, Carlos González Valdovinos (Ulof 4) from Santiago de Chile.

• Gracias por tu apoyo Vasco, me demostraste que sabes escuchar y que eres una persona muy directa, aunque creeme estoy dispuesto a ayudarte, solo dime que páginas quieres potenciar o crear, yo te ayudo, tengo muy buenas bases de información en el fútbol, solo dime. Adios, suerte, saludos.

Hola Vasco, ¿como estas?, feliz navidad. Solo quería decirte que con algunas correcciones que has hecho en mis artículos te doy las gracias por todo ah y por cierto, aunque nadie se haya apuntado, yo estoy preparando artículos espero que sí tienes la gentileza me los revises sí puedes, estoy trabajando duro cada día por que los artículos del fútbol de mi país sean decentes, así que nos hablamos en otra, chao.

Petición de Favor

Hola Vasco, necesito que me hagas un gran favor, necesito que subas una imágen de Lucas Wilchez desde la sgte. dirección: http://www.emol.com/noticias/deportes/2011/11/24/514202/lucas-wilchez-y-su-enemistad-con-la-u.html, si te sale que ya esta ilustrada, pues esta de mala forma ilustrada y de hecho estando apunto de borrarse, asi que sí no hoy día otra porfavor. Chao... suerte.

Aprovechando que te envió esto, me encataría comenzar un Wikiproyect sobre el fútbol de mi país que realmente salvo algunos artículos que quizá he expandido o quizá haya creado como el mismo Wilchez, Andrés Scotti, Juan Guillermo Castillo, entre algunos otros, los demás son varios que son muy mal escritos y de hecho algunos que ni son decentes, por ejemplo sobre algún club que edite fue: Unión Española. Sí estas interesado en esto trata de reunir la mayor cantidad de usuarios que puedas y si no gracias por haber leído esto.

Vale, vale Vasco, gracias compadre, lo de la foto de Wilchez lo solucioné al pareces, pero muchas gracias me es un alivio, ya que he vivido momentos familiares muy complejos, ya que mi reconocido abuelo ha fallecido, gracias, chao..

Pos-data: te podrías guíar por http://www.football-lineups.com/ sí necesitas estadísticas sobre algún jugador y sobre imágenes aunque deberías registrarte esta http://www.photosport.cl/.

Daúto Faquirá

Regarding the Daúto Faquirá page, I am not doing it on purpose, I just forgot how to do it.

Resposta

Boas, só vi a mensagem agora. Não fui eu que editei a página do Nélson Oliveira. A minha última edição nessa página data do dia 11 de Novembro. Quem o fez deve ter usado a minha última edição provavelmente.

Saudações.

Opinião

Olá Vasco, Bruno aqui. Queria discutir um assunto com você. Embora acredite que você não irá concordar, aqui vão os argumentos: Na minha opinião, o termo "Defender" deveria ser usado apenas quando o jogador atua como zagueiro e/ou lateral, como no caso do Carles Puyol, Éric Abidal, Sergio Ramos. Já quando o jogador atua como lateral e meia, como no caso do Adriano Correia, deveria ficar: Full back / Midfielder, e o Jordi Alba: Left back / Midfielder, pois o Defender dá a ideia de que eles atuam como zagueiro (embora eu sei que na historinha explica que eles atuam pelo lado do campo). Mas precisamos entender que muitas pessoas não entendem bem sobre futebol e esquemas táticos, então podem se confundir ao ver o termo 'Defender'. Qual sua opinião? Um abraço e boa semana.

• Perdão, não quis dizer ou insinuar que você é ditador. Não foi minha intenção. Pois bem, já que concorda vou alterando na medida do possível. Quanto ao runner-up, essa é uma luta eterna. Na verdade, existe um consenso sobre o assunto? Eu acho justo que conste, é mais uma informação pertinente, até porque para muitos atletas (de times pequenos) foi o fato mais revelantes de suas carreiras.
  • Amigos, claro. Falando nisso, possui rede social (Facebook)?
    • Tudo bem, as vezes isso enche a paciência mesmo. Mudando de assunto, que cara perturbador esse defensor do Pepe. Pelo que entendi, ele está ameaçando te processar se você não deixar a edição do jeito que ele quer? Entendi bem? Que figura (como dizemos aqui no Brasil)... Fique bem.
      • Sim, eu vi. Até parece que ele 'gosta' do Pepe... hahaha. As vezes surge cada um que vou te contar. Se precisar de ajuda, "grita".
        • Exagerando é pouco. No jeito que ele está editando, daqui a pouco vai colocar que a culpa foi do Messi ainda. Mas enfim, como disse antes, esse ano não quero arrumar confusão aqui, então ele que faça o que quiser. Aliás, mandei uma mensagem ao Jimbo pedindo desculpas... ele não respondeu, mas fiz minha parte. Vasco, viu esta notícia (http://www.sport.es/es/noticias/clasico/socio-denuncia-pepe-por-via-penal-1353682). Isso sim merecia ser inserido na história toda, mas, claro, nosso "amigo" não ficará nada contente... rsss (talk) 25 January 2012 (UTC)

Rogério Ceni

Olá Vasco, Bruno aqui. Preciso de uma grande ajuda tua. Queria melhorar o artigo do goleiro Rogério Ceni. Além das informações que já estão lá, precisaria acrescentar que ele foi o melhor jogador da final do Mundial de Clubes de 2005 contra o Liverpool e eleito o melhor jogador do torneiro. Logo após, em janeiro de 2006, operou o joelho esquerdo e ficou um mês fora. (http://www.parana-online.com.br/editoria/especiais/news/157945/?noticia=ROGERIO+CENI+OPERA+JOELHO+E+DESFALCA+SAO+PAULO+POR+UM+MES). Importante dizer que ele já estava lesionado na disputa do mundial. Em 13 de abril de 2009, ele quebrou o tornozelo esquerdo durante um treino (http://globoesporte.globo.com/Esportes/Noticias/Times/Sao_Paulo/0,,MUL1083408-9875,00-CENI+FRATURA+TORNOZELO+VAI+SER+OPERADO+E+ESTA+FORA+DO+PAULISTA+E+DA+LIBERTA.html), tinha previsão de seis meses para se recuperar, mas voltou a treinar antes do previsto (http://www.abril.com.br/noticias/esportes/rogerio-ceni-quebra-recorde-volta-treinar-bola-482791.shtml). Já em 26 de janeiro de 2012, o São Paulo anunciou que ele terá que operar o ombro direito e deve ficar até seis meses fora. (http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/esporte/1039818-sao-paulo-anuncia-que-rogerio-ceni-fara-cirurgia-no-ombro.shtml).

Além das lesões, ele foi eleito melhor JOGADOR dos campeonatos brasileiros de 2006 e 2007 (São Paulo foi campeão em ambos). E ganhou a bola de Ouro da Revista Placar (um prêmio muito importante) como melhor JOGADOR do Brasileirão de 2008 (SP campeão novamente).

Se precisar mais fontes de informação, me peça. Em princípio é isso. Pode me ajudar. Te agradeço muito. E se surgir mais coisas, te peço. Muito obrigado.

Claro, meu amigo, isso não precisa ser de uma hora pra outra. Quando tiver um tempinho sobrando. Bom fim de semana também. Felicidades!

Claro que gostei, meu amigo. Ficou realmente muito bom. Nota 10 mesmo. E sim, o cara é um craque. Além de ótimo goleiro, mais de 1000 jogos pelo São Paulo, ainda marcos mais de 100 gols, sendo que mais de 50 foram de falta. Apenas farei uns ajustes. (em 1993 ele ainda atuou pelo time junior, na Copa São Paulo de Juniores - foram campeões, como não). Quanto ao Javi López, tens razão. Aliás, o Espanyol fez boas aquisições, não acha? Já em relação ao Nenê, vi que todos os outros jogadores aparece 'Paris Saint-Germain estão' e quis deixar igual, mas não vou alterar. Novamente obrigado pela ajuda. Ficou realmente muito bom.

Quanto ao PSG, concordo com você. Como você sabe, eu sempre busco padronizar... mas acho que será uma guerra também. Eu não vou alterar o Nenê, mas creio que 'vira e meche', como dizemos aqui no Brasil, alguém o fará. Já quanto ao Espanyol, o Coutinho é um grande jogador e o Víctor Sánchez não é craque, mas joga direitinho e é útil em várias posições - seria um Javi López melhorado. Já o Uche esse não lembro de ter visto jogar, mas veio de graça e pra cobrir as baixas no ataque. Na real, o time do Espanyol é meio limitado e é até surpreendente que estejam em 5º. Para mim, o Mauricio Pochettino é um grande treinador.

Realmente, com o Coutinho, Weiss, Verdú e voltando o García e o Álvaro, ficará uma equipe competitiva. A defesa não compromete e creio que o Víctor Sánchez jogará na lat. direita para suprir a carência do setor. E na verdade o Kiko Casilla é reserva do Cristian Álvarez, que está lesionado, mas vem fazendo boas partidas mesmo. Até mais.

Raulseixas 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Juan Guillermo Castillo

Hola Vasco, quiero que me dejes tu opinión en mi talk page sobre mi última edición que he hecho: Juan Guillermo Castillo, y por cierto me dices en mi talk page que puntuación le dejaste y también me digas que puntuación le dejas personalmente. Ya Vasquito me voy, un gran saludo desde Chile. Chao.

Por ej.

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Claro, Vasco, acredito em ti. Se está dizendo, tens razão. É que estava confuso antes, dizia foward e second striker. Agora ficou bem melhor, do jeito que você vez. Abraço.

Não entendi seu comentário em Mikel San José. Você mesmo disse que nunca viu ele jogar em outra posição ao não ser CB. Eu também nunca vi. Está certo, não reparei em alterar o link corretamente, mas creio que não precisava fazer aquele comentário.

Mas claro que não fiquei bravo, apenas não tinha entendido... mas está tudo tranquilo. Só não respondi antes, porque ontem tive problemas com a conexão. Não se 'preocupe', sem problema algum. Bom trabalho e 'conversamos'.

Sem problema, amigo. :)

Raulseixas (talk) 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Ulof 4 - Respuesta de Artículos

Gracias por la puntuación y el apoyo, Vasco, tengo otro articulo que quisieras que me evaluaras, a pesar de que completos aún no están, bueno, te los dejo: Rainer Wirth, Occupé Bayenga y Mauro Olivi. Chao, y una vez más gracias.

Ulof4 - Avance

Uno ya, completamente listo, Rainer Wirth, espero que este bueno, para así darme más animo por una tarea muy dura para mí que hago solo, mejorar la calidad de articulos en el fútbol chileno, y claramente que no existan más artículos stubs. Chao Vasco, mucha suerte en tus acciones y en todo lo que quieras hacer. Hasta la otra, quizá más pronto sí alcanzo a completar los dos artículos restantes que mencione te aviso eh.... Chao, suerte.

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Vale, vale, Vasco.... igual estoy super orgulloso por tu comentario de lo mío bastante se aproxima a que busca WP, me gustaría tener mucho más contacto con vos, así que no sé sí es que aceptes mi idea, pero sí tienes facebook agregame, solo sabiendo tu respuesta te doy mi nombre, ojalá accedas no sería malo pero vale, espero tu respuesta y espero que sea positiva compadre, por sí a caso tengo un artículo más ya realizado, se llama Marcelo Díaz del Club Universidad de Chile, vigente campeón de la Sudamericana en mi continente, así que chao po amigo que te vaya bien, a la próxima nos escribimos.

Diego Alves

Obrigado por reverter minha edição sem me perguntar antes. Justo você que preza tanto por comprimir o infobox... No Brasil é comum o Atlético Mineiro ser escrito como Atlético-MG. No texto, fica o nome completo, mas no infobox poderia ficar perfeitamente Atlético-MG. Mas, claro, ficará como você quer.

No Brasil é bem comum usar sufixos, pois há muitos times com o mesmo nome, só mudando o estado. Só na Série A há três Atléticos: MG, PR e GO. Creio que no box poderia ser usado Atlético-MG, igual a Atlético-PR, etc... mas enfim, não vou insistir neste caso, como não ando insistindo mais em nenhum caso.

Capaz, nem estou chateado. Fica tranquilo. Quanto ao teu pedido, você está certo. É que sempre olho os com numeração acima de 25 e retiro. Neste caso, esqueci de observar que o jogador em questão está sendo utilizado no time principal, embora seu nome não conste lá no plantel na página do Valencia. Abraço.

Vasco, as vezes esse wikipedia é um saco. Esses editores tem 'panelinha', como falamos aqui no Brasil. Olha só, um cara infrigiu a regra das 3 reversões em Lionel Messi, daí avisei um administrador (Alexf) que não fez nada. Então avisei os administradores, mas outro usuário GiantSnowman foi lá defender o cara, dizendo que já fiz isso (3RR). Sim, já fiz, e fui bloqueado. Daí com o cara faz e eles deixam assim... Este ano tenho evitado várias discussões e problemas, mas as vezes é injusto. Agora houve progresso nas conversas com o GiantSnowman.

Concordo plenamente com você. E mais: lá no Lionel Messi continua do jeito que o outro usuário deixou - ele infrigiu a regra e ninguém mudou, nem puniu ele. Se fosse eu, já estaria bloqueado. Quando ao HONOURS, também concordo com você. Deveria ser em inglês, para facilitar o entendimento do campeonato em questão. Mas já que somos minoria (como sempre) deixamos assim. Abraços.

Raulseixas (talk) 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Carles Puyol

Olá Vasco, Bruno aqui. No artigo Carles Puyol já reverti três vezes o mesmo vandalismo (feito por três IPs diferentes, mas deve ser a mesma pessoa). É retirado do box a informação que ele jogou a temporada 96/97 pelo Barcelona C. O que podemos fazer? É possível pedir uma proteção à página? Obrigado desde já e bom fim de semana.

Sim, tinha pensado nisso. E se eu que for pedir, nem vão me dar atenção. Então o jeito é seguir vigiando e revertendo, até ele cansar. Abraço.

A grande maioria dos jogadores do Barcelona tinha os números. Então você retirou de alguns (Puyol, Busquets), mas deixou em outros (Xavi, Iniesta, Messi), então apenas deixei como estava antes. Já disse que não quero criar mais caso aqui, tanto até que estou editando artigo sobre música, que com certeza não dão confusão como futebol. Se quiser alterar, tudo bem, não vou ficar bravo. Bom fim de semana e felicidades. -- Raulseixas (talk) 24 February 2012 (UTC)

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Eu acho que no DEFAULTSORT deve ser o nome como os jogadores são conhecidos, no Brasil a maioria dos atletas são conhecidos pelo primeiro nome ou apelidos, diferentemente da Europa. Essa é minha opinião. -- Jun19 (talk) 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Porque os jogadores famosos podem ter o apelido ou o primeiro nome no DEFAULTSORT e o menos famosos não? -- Jun19 (talk) 24 February 2012 (UTC)

E, por exemplo o Léo, tem que ser Lourenço Bastos, Leonardo ou simplesmente Leo no DEFAULTSORT? -- Jun19 (talk) 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Jogadores com páginas duplas

Bruno Formigoni e Bruno Leonardo Formigoni/Édson Pereira Lisboa e Edson Pereira Lisboa são jogadores que possuem 2 páginas, será que você pode propor a eliminação de alguma página desses jogadores? -- Jun19 (talk) 26 February 2012 (UTC)

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No need for apologizing as we are both improving and making Wikipedia even better.

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Francisco Javier Peral

Amigo, creio que não errei e explico. De fato, ele foi emprestado ao Deportivo, mas não jogou na Liga e em nenhum outro campeonato, pois a Real Federação Espanhola não liberou seu contrato (ou ficha, em espanhol). Ou seja, ele nem fechou a ser inscrito. Portanto, acredito que isso possa constar na história dele, mas não é necessário estar no infobox, já que oficialmente ele nunca foi jogador do Deportivo, pois não tinha contrato. Essa é minha opinião... se pesquisar, verá que tenho razão.

Capaz, não precisa de desculpar. Eu não apresentei argumentos e você, corretamente, pensou que havia me enganado. Esse foi um caso muito confuso, problemas burocráticos e tal. Abraço e sucesso.

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Moisés Moura Pinheiro

Dear VascoAmaral I am writing in reply to your comments you made on Revision history of Moisés Moura Pinheiro:

Composed very poor overall display of article (those REFS! and that language, do we have to write "SIDE" every time?

From this comment you seem to have significant problems with my writing style, especially how I composed and displayed the article by using prose and paragraphs. The reason I use paragraphs is because in Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout it clearly states under Paragraphs that Bullet points should be minimized in the body of the article, if they are used at all

You also mention that I use the word "SIDE" an awfully lot throughout the article, that may be however I have to make sure that everyone who reads that article is fully aware who I'm referring to. For example Braga is spoken throughout sveral times in that article and I have to make sure that people understood I meant the football side Braga and not the place. Now you may argue that I should have written S.C. Braga throughout, however I was keeping continuity after some else wrote Braga first within the Infobox (please speak to them why they did that).

Finally those REFS! yeah I'm pretty bad at getting them propery written, the reason being is that I find they slow you down when you're writing an article, however I do save the reference page and I was gonna eventually get them propery written out but you came along and did them, considering you did a good enough job on them I'll let you carry on :)

P.S. I will carry on composing the articles using the paragraph format, however I will try to use the word "SIDE" a lot less. User talk:Kai Lau 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Ulof4

Pucha sorry, fue solo un error, bueno además Trecarichi ni juega en Chile y tiene solo las estadísticas de cuando estaba en Bulgaría con CSKA Sofia, pero estuvo mal igual, pero lo club career si fue un error, perdón Vasco.

1 de Mayo 2012.

• Le acabe de agrerar la transcripción fonética a Lucas Trecarichi y unos partidos que le encontré por la filial de San Felipe a la plantilla, sinceramente no lo he visto jugar nunca al argentino Trecarichi, siendo que por los fines de semana veo todos los partidos de todos los equipos chilenos el sábado y el domingo, así que estuve a punto de descontarle su paso por Chile en la plantilla, evalúa lo que hice y dime. Chao Vasco saludos a Portugal.

• Ah... y por cierto no borres por favor la introducción de Pablo Contreras me costó mucho y trabajo para que sea un artículo de primer nivel, no tengo todo el tiempo del mundo para dedicarme a esto, aunque no creas tengo 14, estudió, compartir con mi familia y obvio como cualquiera de mi edad me divierto con mis amigos. La repuse, pero nunca más me dolió con este o con cualquier otro artículo. Hasta la otra.

• Se que esa intro es gigante pero déjala así, fíjate en otros artículos como Javier Mascherano, lo de Contreras resume su historia misma para después yo redactarla bien con detalles en la sección Club career, solo por favor te pido no tengo tanto tiempo, deja así esta u otras páginas que encuentres igual, me gusta hacer artículos grandes con argumentos.

• Ya, ya, sorry, deveras nunca quise empezar una Wiki guerra, realmente estoy recuperando contacto contigo desde como hace tres meses desde Enero, ya que es Mayo, a si que solo dejemoslo así ya que no quiero perder nuestra curiosa ciber amistad que comenzó con una corrección de Sebastián Abreu. Por si no sabías de hecho, sí tú no sabes que pasa con la real actualidad de Pablo Contreras, él pasa un complicado momento, ya que Colo-Colo que perdió 5–0 contra su archi-rival Universidad de Chile que pasa por muy buenos momentos con el DT Jorge Sampaoli, ganando títulos como la Copa Sudamericana 2011, me imagino que en Europa deben saber lo de Sampaoli quien emula muy bien el juego que ocupa el Barcelona, bueno además soy del Colo y admito lloré ese partido, jajajajaj. Bueno hasta la próxima, chau.

• Todo listo, sorry, puse todo como querías lo de centre back, CA Osasuna, AS Monaco, etc., de verdad desconcentrado no entendí, perdón de verdad, verdad.

• Bueno, la verdad me alegra saber que seguimos siendo socios en Wikipedia, y nada más gracias por todo lo que me ayudas, creo que deberíamos contactarnos más por chat, sí tienes facebook me dices cual es y así conversamos de forma mas privada, o sí no hazte uno, sí no quieres en caso de que tengas, bueno me dices.

Post-data: Creo que Contreras ha estado siendo un artículo visto con mucho potencial por los demás usuarios, ahh... y otra por favor para ya terminar con el famoso y complicado caso Contreras, quiero dejar unida toda la historia que está en el segundo parrafo y por si acaso él jugó 37 partidos por Colo-Colo en su primer ciclo y por AS Monaco, 31 partidos y el 38/3 de Sporting Lisboa, me refería a todos los partidos que jugó él en la liga, copa Champions, etc., obviamente menos amistosos, yo siempre le agregó los demás partidos que un jugador disputó, por que no está correcto poner solo los de liga, los otros encuentros igualmente son válidos y las estadísticas de Fora de Jogo, demuestran solo ligas, aunque bueno deje como estaban las estadísticas del Sporting (30/2). Sí me quieres decir otra cosa soy todo oídos Vasco, espero que me confirmes lo de la red social por favor, nos serviría de mucho. Pásalo bien, ah.. y duerme más chico nos vemos, jajajaja, chao.

Saludos, Ulof4, Santiago de Chile 17:00 (UTC).

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Gracias por lo de Contreras, ahh... y por favor prefiero comunicarme contigo a través de una red social, para mí es más simple y sencillo.

• Dale, Dale Vasco bueno, igual exageré perdón. A todo esto que te parece la historia de Contreras, exitosa, regular, ¿como?, a en Chile lo tomaron como referente de la selección cuando el gran "Loco" (apodo) Marcelo Bielsa, y este año regresó pa jugar en Colo-Colo, que de verdad está muy complicado, no sé por lo menos para mí, es orgullo como chileno y también una gran felicidad editar su página. Nos hablamos Vasco, chao.

• Estamos, tu amigo GiantSnowman, se vió muy interesado en esto, sigo con las ilusiones del task force de Chile, lo único que quiero el task force me haría muy feliz ver artículos con argumentos.

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Que irônico, né amigo? Mudei para música para ver se tinha mais paz, mas mesmo assim tive problema. Mas ao contrário do futebol, onde podem haver interpretações contraditórias, nos assuntos onde me envolvi tinha absoluta razão, já que tenho os encartes dos LPs (sim, ainda tenho vinis) e apenas seguia o que está indicado neles. Mesmo assim, errei ao me envolver nas guerras de edições, devia ter deixado pra trás, mas eu tinha razão, tanto que um outro usuário disse isso e até fez as mesmas alterações que eu fiz. Mas enfim, deixei a poeira baixar e me lembrei dessa outra conta que estava abandonada. Espero não ter problemas. Bom fim de semana. Abraço.

Vasco, foi você que mudou o infobox do Marc Muniesa? Eu só vi depois, antes que você "brigue" comigo. Mas, sei lá, creio que não precisa inverter a ordem. Na historinha explica o fato.

Sobre o Muniesa, ele jogou a última partida da temporada 08/09 pelo time A. Na temporada 09/10 estreou pelo time B. Sim, de fato ele jogou pelo time A antes do B, mas foi só um jogo... e só voltou a jogar pelo time A nesta temporada (11/12), passando 09/10 e 10/11 exclusivamente no time B. Como o ano de estreia no time A e B foi o mesmo (2009), creio que no infobox não é necessário inverter a ordem, até porque na temporada que vem (12/13) ele deve ser jogador exclusivo do time A, daí ficará a informação confusa no infobox. Podemos deixar assim então? Não quero impor nada, é apenas a minha opinião. Quanto ao runner-up, já tinha reparado. Se ele continuar removendo, continuarem colocando novamente, igual a informação do Barcelona C. Se não resolver pelo diálogo, informamos a questão aos administradores. Cordialmente, Bruno.

Amigo, queria ver contigo: O Éric Abidal se retirou? Segundo um cara, sim (ele até coloca um link), mas o Abidal estava no hospital até duas semanas trás e nem deu entrevistas. E não há nada no site oficial do Barcelona, nem no 'Sport' e 'Marca'. Creio que esse link esteja errado. O que você acha? Abraços.

Quanto ao Mascherano, ok. E quanto ao Abidal? Não me respondeste.

Então, o grande babaca insiste em continuar alterando. Ele se baseia num texto da ESPN, que diz que ele se retirou (mas é somente uma linha, sem mais nenhuma informação), mas ele nunca anunciou isso de fato. Isso nunca saiu nos jornais espanhóis, nem no site oficial do Barcelona. Obviamente é uma informação equivocada. Me ajuda nessa? Você podia abrir uma discussão sobre o caso... está muito claro que ele não se retirou (ainda).

Obrigado pela ajuda. Vou lá deixar meu comentário também. Tchau--Marcospace (talk) 6 June 2012 (UTC)

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Jordi Alba

Oi Vasco. Viu as novidades: A página do Éric Abidal foi bloqueada por quatro dias. O editor que bloqueou já disse que não há provas que ele se retirou. Ou seja, finalmente parece que tenho razão em um assunto. Hahaha :) Quanto ao Jordi Alba, um editor inseriu 'Cornellà' como clube senior. Será que está correto? Se estiver, então ele não passou pelo 'Valencia' na idade juvenil, foi contratado direto pela equipe B. Apenas acho que do jeito que o artigo está no momento está errado. Ou ele saiu do 'Cornellà' para o juvenil do 'Valencia' ou ele jogou pelo time principal do 'Cornellà' e foi direto para o time B do 'Valencia. Enfim, qual tua opinião? Abraço.

O Alba é estranho mesmo, mas deixamos assim então. Quanto ao Abidal, é necessário o moderador permitir alterações novamente. Ele alterou um negócio lá e ficou pior ainda. Enfim, o certo era deixar como eu tinha editado. Quando voltar, você poderá melhorar o artigo. Bom fim de semana.

Olá Vasco, tudo bem? Bela contratação do Barcelona, não acha? Está fazendo uma grande Eurocopa. Entretanto, o vandalismo está grande na página dele. Você pode pedir proteção a ela?

Outro assunto: diz umas melhorias no artigo Joan Ángel Román, uma promessa contratada pelo time B do Barça. Quando puder, podes olhar? Mais uma vez, muito obrigado.

Obrigado pela ajuda. E o jeito é ficar monitorando mesmo, até a proteção acontecer. Abraço e bom fim de semana.- -- Marcospace (talk) 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Ulof4

Ya Vasco no hay problemas, ambos Matías o Mathías en el segundo caso lo entiendo y aquellos errores tranquilo no los cambiare. Y si me enojé en algún minuto por lo de Contreras, pero ya es pasado, tras esa casi guerra nada más perdona amigo.

Martí Riverola

Oi Vasco, como estás? Espero que tudo em cima. Olha só, fiz diversas alterações no artigo Martí Riverola, citando sua temporada no Barça B, estreia pelo time principal e ia para o Bologna. Entretanto, sabe que não domino muito bem o inglês, além de não saber inserir as fontes de modo exatamente correto. Se puder dar uma olhada nas minhas alterações e arrumar eventuais erros, eu agradeço. Abraço e bom final de semana.

Como sempre, ficou show de bola. Realmente, bom trabalho em equipe. :) Quanto as observações, todas muitos válidas. EARLY YEARS é somente quando há mais informações (tipo pessoais) então? Quanto ao número de jogos, eu tinha anotado 31 jogos essa época. De toda forma vou recontar e ver qual esta certo. Novamente, obrigado pela grande ajuda. Abraço.

Obrigado pelos ajustes no artigo Sergio Juste. Como sempre, muito válidos. Outro belo trabalho em equipe.

Amigo, perdão. Sinceramente não havia notado que tinha sido você que alterou o Javi García. Eu não costumo olhar, apenas altero. Vou prestar mais atenção nisso, para não mexer em sumários editados por você. Novamente, desculpa.

Já aproveitando a oportunidade, teve ter reparado que alterei diversos jogadores do Barcelona B, fazendo alterações no local de nascimento. Quando puder (e se quiser) olhe para ver se não cometi nenhum equívoco. Grande abraço.

Obrigado pela ajuda nos jogadores do Barça B. Quanto as observações, vou segui-las. Realmente, do modo que você indicou fica melhor. Bom domingo.- --Marcospace (talk) 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Maykon

Dear Vasco,

I have found two articles which are about the same person but with a different name. They are the following Maykon Daniel Elias Araújo and Daniel Elias Araújo. The Daniel Elias Araújo was created in May 2012 and should be considered to be deleted.

User talk:Alexgreene87 26 June 2012, 20:39 (UTC)

Nélson Oliveira

Saudações Vasco.

Tenho uma dúvida, gostava que me esclarecesses se possível: Em relação à Navboxe das squads de Portugal do Nélson Oliveira, achas que seria boa ideia meter lá as equipas do Mundial de sub 20 de 2011 e sub 19 de 2010? Digo isto porque vejo noutros jogadores, nomeadamente do Miguel Veloso, por exemplo, que tem a squad do europeu sub 21 de 2007. Não sei se é apenas aplicado aos sub 21 ou se também se deve meter dos escalões inferiores. Não quis estar a editar pois não tinha a certeza.

Cumprimentos.

Pedro Proença

Boas Vasco, espero que esteja tudo bem.

Estive a editar a página do Pedro Proença, mas confesso que o meu inglês não é grande coisa e torna-se demasiado repetitivo. Será que podias lá dar uma vista de olhos? Desde já peço desculpa pelo inconveniente.

Cumprimentos.

Ulof4

OK, perdón vale Vasco.

Bueno en ese caso gracias Vasco, cada vez me doy más de mis errores y los trato de corregir de la mejor forma, ya sea por ejemplo en el pasado caso Pablo Contreras el reciente de el talentoso Juan Arango de Venezuela, etc.

Saludos, nos hablamos

Desde Santiago de Chile, tu amigo Ulof4

Día 3 de Julio, 09:45 (UTC)

Football and refernces

Yes we can work together, I apologise for my mistakes.

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Ulof4

Hola Vasco, "Carlitos" al habla:

Se que hemos tenido algunas diferencias, pero de verdad necesito un favor amigo de verdad de corazón, quiero ver primero que todo sí podrías subir una foto ó alguien que suba una por favor.

Atte. Ulof4 desde Sudamérica:

El día 10 de Junio de 2012 en Santiago de Chile a las 23:35 (UTC)

Foto

Sabía que contigo iba a contar, pero primero tenía que mencionar la foto y ahora lo tengo que decir. Resulta que mejoré un artículo en pésimas condiciones de un futbolista paraguayo fallecido hace tres años, llamado Víctor Hugo Ávalos, a quien le hice un considerable arreglo en cuanto historia, datos, etc., así que lo único que bastaría sería aquella anhelada foto como un homenaje a él. Sería muy importante, él jugó Chile, y le quiero demostrar a los demás que los artículos de mí país tienen que ser decentes y que como mínimo un tributo se merece. Bueno sí puedes me avisas.

Atte. tú amigo Ulof4 desde Sudamérica:

El día 11 de Junio de 2012 en Santiago de Chile a las 10:49 (UTC)

• No te preocupes, haz lo que puedas, cualquier aporte sirve, se agradece de todas formas, solo pido que ojalá puedas.

Ulof4

Vale, gracias Vasco por hacerte el tiempo de la foto, enserio muchas gracias.

• Por sí a caso, estoy avanzando al parecer exitosamente con la página del club O'Higgins F.C., en cuanto a historia, datos, etc., solo faltan referencias, como previo aviso, sí quieres revisalo y me informas como hasta el momento está.

• Si, tienes demasiada razón, la verdad perdón por aquello, lo de los malos links fueron unas muy largas historias, así que la verdad lo siento y ahora comprendo no te preocupes, no volverá a pasar. Además lo entiendo de todas manera, lo de mis esfuerzos lo entiendo muy bien y lo haré mejor porque de donde nos esté mirando Víctor Hugo se sentirá orgulloso, gracias Vasco.

Saludos a Portugal.

Task force

Hola Vasco, yo nuevamente, me gustaría de todas formas solicitar un task force para la todo lo que tenga que ver con el fútbol chileno, de verdad, enserio, seguiré todas las instrucciones que reciba de alguien para no equivocarme en artículos (como por ejemplo Pablo Contreras, caso símbolo de equivocaciones mías, que quiero sinceramente remodelarlo por completo) y para también arreglar artículos notablemente (como por ejemplo Víctor Hugo Ávalos, quien de un stub pasó a ser un artículo mediano bastante decente y bueno).

Lo pido por favor, la verdad, la verdad, no habrán errores, no habrá nada enserio, lo pedí el año pasado no resultó, pero de que llegue a pasar, enserio no tendré aquellos errores, quiero revolucionar los artículos de mi país, estoy cansado de verdad de ver malos artículos.

Aquí, "Carlitos" alias Ulof4:

• Desde Chile, a las quince cuarenta y ocho hora local.

• OK, lo siento, ya está arreglado no hay problemas.

• Dejando todo atrás, antes de que alguien se sume al proyecto, te sumas a esto o no?, para ya tener una idea y dibujar una imagen en mi mente de como va a ser esto.

• Vale, no hay por donde era lo mínimo que podía hacer amigo.

Amado / Nekounam / Riquelme

Haha, sorry Vasco, have been meaning to reply but kept on getting distracted:

• Diogo Amado - I will re-add to my Watchlist to monitor.
• Javad Nekounam - please use the talk page, if you revert once more you will have broken 3RR and I will have to block I'm afraid. If still no luck then try WP:AIV / WP:RFPP. Please consider this a formal, final warning - I will issue one to the other editor momentarily.
• Juan Román Riquelme - I will also add to my Watchlist to monitor for vandalism.

Regards, GiantSnowman 17:51, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry, I am watching all 3 articles now and will continue to monitor for further disruption. GiantSnowman 18:27, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Regarding Nekounam - 3RR applies to reverts against all editors, not just one - it doesn't matter whether you revert one user or three in 24 hours. Regarding your name - try Wikipedia:Changing username/Simple. GiantSnowman 20:18, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Maxi Rodríguez

Nunca ha estado en el Real Oviedo, pudes eliminar tranquilamente esa mentira.

Real Oviedo 2000/01 → http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/t/t2000-0128.html

Real Oviedo 2001/02 → http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/t/t2001-0228.html

SaludosMega60 (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Roca

Got him, thanks. GiantSnowman 18:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Juve10

Grazie!

Need help with Portuguese gold record references

Hi, Drmies referred me to you. I am having trouble finding reference documentation for two record albums, 67 and Leva-me P'ra Casa by Lúcia Moniz, that are said to have gone gold in Portugal. I have tried to access the Associação Fonográfica Portuguesa website, but I can't find gold record information on that site as I can for US works on the RIAA site. Can you possibly point me in the right direction? (Oh, and Drmies says that you need to stop editing football articles and get on the real stuff?) Thanks in advance. Doc2234 (talk) 00:28, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

• AL, Thank you for the help. Lúcia Moniz' article on en.Wikipedia lists the two more recent albums as having gold RIAA certification; but I couldn't find them in the RIAA database, and thought that the AFP would have information. So, I am still looking to see if I can find something that provides proof one way or the other. Thanks again, and don't get stressed from Wikipedia! Doc2234 (talk) 23:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Diogo Luis Santo

Formatted - though the table is far too complicated. GiantSnowman 12:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ivica Dragutinović

UEFA says he did play for FK Bor - thanks to Struway2 for the link. GiantSnowman 18:22, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

True, odd he is not mentioned at Bor elsewhere... GiantSnowman 19:15, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Ulof4

No te preocupes lo que pasa es que intenté de hacer algo nada más y luego salí de casa, pero fue algo que estuvo a medias, así que ese artículo no cambiará de como lo dejaste, tranquilo.

Gorka López

Nope, playing at a youth tournament does not confer notability - duly PRODded. GiantSnowman 14:59, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

separatists

Yep, all you can do is revert and warn - if he keeps it up, report to WP:AIV but ensure you do not breach WP:3RR. GiantSnowman 12:25, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Now this CHRIS?

¿Por qué te cargas los enlaces de BDFutbol? Aparecen todas las temporadas de los equipos y en cada una de ellas todos los futbolistas de las plantillas, todos los entrenadores, los que han jugado más partidos en Primera, Segunda, Segunda B... ¿Hay que empezar una guerra de borrar, y volver a borrar, y volver a borrar... hasta el infinito?

Saludos de uno que se ha quedado muy sorprendido Mega60 (talk) 17:12, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

• Muchísimas gracias y perdona si mi intervención haya parecido un poco "cabreada". Saludos Mega60 (talk) 10:07, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Moreirense F.C.

Dear AL,

You spoke about me editing the Moreirense F.C. notable former players. I am writing to you to say that is the notable former players the same as the famous players. I was unaware of what criteria to follow to include certain players on the list. I apolgise for this.

I have also edited the U.D. Oliveirense, A.D. Ovarense, C.D. Trofense, C.F. Uniao da Madeira and the Gil Vicente F.C. pages because the information of current activity of the club is outdated and the squad is not correct, the articles are incomplete and there were no references on the pages.

User talk:Alexgreene87 21 July 2012, 12:28 UTC

Alberto Junior Rodriguez

My apologies, I saw it in a sport news column on the Internet: http://www.goal.com/en-my/news/3895/spain/2012/07/14/3241110/official-alberto-rodriguez-joins-deportivo-on-loan-from-sporting- I believe that provides an adequate source for the transfer. :)--RedBullWarrior (talk) 13:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC) Sorry, I never properly read your message and realised the diffs you left, my bad.--RedBullWarrior (talk) 14:03, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

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José Bosingwa

Alright, just seemed to be a bit confused. But nevertheless, thanks! Arbero (talk) 17:59, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Short or extended version of provinces and so.

Hi, I remember you have been saying me about how you use the extended versions in the article body, and I have been doing that about clubs (short version in infobox, extended in article text), but for the cases of Yugoslav Republics and Yugoslavia (exemple Socialist Republic of Montenegro/SR Montenegro and Socialist Federative Republic of Yugoslavia/SFR Yugoslavia), there really is no reason to leave them extended, as after all, it is the "Montenegro" and "Yugoslavia" parts that are important (with the prefixes only indicating the correct administrative version of the territory) while having the "Socialist Federative bla, bla is really not that important and takes too much space. It would be like writting extended "Republica Portuguesa" for Portugal, and is not practical. Can I please ask you if we can agree on this? Please. It is absolutelly consensus wide to use the short versions, even in articles bodies. Abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 01:38, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I can make you a perfectly reasonable comparison. For exemple, we pipe F.C. Porto to Porto in infobox, right? But the extended version is F.C. Porto. Now, what you are doing is like writting Futebol Clube do Porto, and you must agree that would be just unnecessarily too much, right? Same with SR Serbia and others... SR and SFR are perfectly enough, and if anyone doesn´t know what they mean (although many people nowadays do), they can automatically see it simply by going on top of the link with the mouse. I just edited the Milan Purović article where I found that and edited it, and I know you have been taking care of that article. FkpCascais (talk) 01:43, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

The article about Socialist Republic of Montenegro is written in extended way (SR Montenegro short and most used), but you are aware that the case is exactly the same as FC Porto, and F.C. Porto is ONLY not written in extended way on en.wiki because of stylistic preference (although you have Futebol Clube do Porto on pt.wiki for exemple), but FC Porto and SR Montenegro are actually correspondent in style. You are, among houndreds, the ONLY editor who is writting those Yugoslav territory names in extended. If I am wrong please give me one single user who follow that. I am really sad that you are being stubborn on this, as you have not even one heavy argument for backing why you do differently than all others. I am really not sure why you don´t want to follow what all users from the Yugoslav region and the rest of the world do. See all political and other non-football articles and you will see that nowhere is used the extended version, and much less reason for it exists in football articles, where the initials are perfectly enough. Othewise we should writte the extensive names for all countries, and that wouldn´t be a good idea at all. SR and SFR are perfectly fine to indicate the eaxct period, and the extensive version only distracts the reader who is obligated to read all that bureaucratic name for no reason whatsoever.

Sorry, but no, your "rule" of writting everything in extensive in the text is already polemical even for clubs (as most even FOOTY users in practice oppose it and don´t writte the extensive names in article text), but I have been following it, but country and region names where the absolutelly established is to use the initials, is too much and not practical at all. FkpCascais (talk) 20:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Sock

Hi AL (as you now seem to be known!), I'm aware of this user's sockpuppet history and have launched this investigation, although I wasn't aware that he's been quite so prolific. You'd think he'd have taken the message by now that his editing is disruptive and as such not welcome. WP can be a particularly curious place at times. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 16:35, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Have you tried leaving the admin a message on his TP? As you say, it shouldn't take too long getting the block sorted, considering how clear-cut the case is. Perhaps ask GS or another football-minded admin to do the business? Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 22:48, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Think you may have misinterpreted me, I wasn't suggesting you leave a message on Mançester's TP, I was meaning the busy admin you mentioned. Mattythewhite (talk) 23:04, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the same guy to me so I've added him to the investigation. I've contacted Elockid (talk · contribs), who blocked an earlier sock, so hopefully it will be dealt with soon. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 14:56, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Sock

Best to wait for the SPI to confirm it's him - but I've blocked for 48 hours in the meantime for disruptive editing. GiantSnowman 00:06, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Nice to see it's all been sorted now. GiantSnowman 16:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:Vandal

Final warning issued, let's see if he stops. If not, I'll block. Have a good one, GiantSnowman 08:27, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Jordi Amat

Does the source mention that he is Catalan? if so, and if the source is reliable, then we should also consider mentioning it - though on the same par as his nationality. It's the same as saying "A Portuguese from Lisbon" or "A Yorkshireman from England". GiantSnowman 15:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

If a reliable source mentions that X is Catalan, then so should we - but that does not mean it should be in the lede. See the slight difference? GiantSnowman 08:04, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

The more I think about it, the more you're right - remove these. Just as you wouldn't call Wayne Rooney a "Scouser-English" or Ronaldo a "Madeiran-Portuguese". GiantSnowman 14:11, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Funchal

Hello AL,

I thought that it was a Portuguese guy because I recognized the name of the city. Fortunately he he only mad a few edits so far. --Jaellee (talk) 13:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I have long given up trying to understand some editors. He seems to be one of them. *sigh* --Jaellee (talk) 05:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Please let me know if he continues, I've issued a further warning in the meantime. GiantSnowman 08:29, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hans-Jörg Butt

But there is no natural flow of the article when writing is at the bottom and after bullet points and tables. There really should be a justification for having tables and bullet points above freeflowing writing. Kingjeff (talk) 23:03, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Since the personal life section is very small, maybe it can be put it at the top in the intro. Kingjeff (talk) 23:16, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Deleting it is an option. But I think the Post-career section should be put back in. Kingjeff (talk) 23:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

H-J Butt

Hello. Sorry, I'm not sure what the problem is. If we're writing a biography, why would the subject having a wife and family not be relevant? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

As to mentioning a subject's family, it's a normal thing to include in a reasonably well-developed article like this one, but not in excessive detail. Reviewers at WP:GAN tend to expect some personal info. Though some editors go into far too much detail about children's names and dates of birth, which in my view is intrusive and probably runs counter to the WP:BLP policy. Does look a little odd where there's only one sentence, as in Mr Butt's case.

I see Kingjeff's point (at least I do now: hadn't initially realised the matter had already been discussed, sorry about that). A section as short as that does look rather odd in general, but it shouldn't really go below the tables. If I was redesigning the existing content, I'd probably go with the layout at Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Players, putting Personal life instead of Early life and including where he was born in that section instead of in the club career bit. And probably put the club stats before the honours rather than after. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Carles Gil

Hi AL, thanks for letting me know, I'll take to AfD. GiantSnowman 10:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Novo nome

Oi amigo, gostei do novo nome. Como deve ter reparado, andei sumidaço. Tenho tido muito pouco tempo. E pelo que vi, o PJ segue como 'dono' do ex-jogadores do ManUtd. Enfim, só para constar. Ótima semana, abraço. -- -Marcospace Marcospace 13 August 2012 (UTC)

David Haro Iniesta

Playing in the Copa del Rey only grants notability if it is a match between two teams from fully-professional leagues. He played for a team in the Segunda B, so is therefore not notable. I will take to AfD - thanks for letting me know. Regards, GiantSnowman 14:30, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

AfDs

Cheers AL, I'll take them to PROD/AfD later - good find! GiantSnowman 08:06, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Roberto Santamaría Calavia

Correcto, juega cedido en el Lleida, añado los partidos jugados con el Málaga. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 09:46, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Clarence Seedorf

I have worked previously on editing Seedorf's page to make it up to date and have credible sources. I think it is shaping up but I need your help and maybe others who can help out too. He has an international goals section but no table there with the goals he scored and I was hoping you could help me out in finding all the goals he scored. Thanks for your help man. Rupert1904 (talk) 22:15, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Didn't know they had that on RSSSF, thanks man. have a good weekend too, so glad that football is back! Rupert1904 (talk) 01:28, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Confusion

Was this you I reverted? I immediatelly thought it was one annoying Serbian IP, but just later understood it was perhaps you, also because of this message of yours to Jaysuc. What´s going on with the dates? Abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 06:56, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the edit summary of mine, but, hmmm, Al, I think you are not right about the pc&nt updates... I actually think you can use the current date without any problems if the stats by that date are correct. You even have a functionality (type 5 times ~ instead of date) which is actually used by many editors and writes the hour and date of the time of the edit. I think you are misisnterpreting the parameters. They don´t need to be the date of the last match, as I think you are suggesting. That is what I feared you meant from your comment at Jaysuc´s talk-page. Sorry, but I think you missinterpreted this :( We can check it somewhere if you want, but I am quite sure you are not obligated to search the exact date of the last league round, that would be quite painfull for editors editing leagues they are not familirised with (imagine editing a Portuguese player in Hong Kong league, you certainly don´t need to search the date of the last Hong Kong league round to update his stats...).

If you know the stats are updated, you can perfectly add the current date. I am quite sure of this, but we can check it somewhere if you want. FkpCascais (talk) 02:19, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I fully understand the logic behind your reasoning (adding the date of the last match played), but I think that in practice the pc&ntupdate functionalities are not meant to be used that way, but simply to add the date in which an editor has updated the stats. That is why you have the 5 tilts (~) option (personally, I rarely use it but many do) which gives you the exact present hour/minutes/date when you edited the update (whenever you see a time display like this: 02:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC), you know the editor used the 5 tilts), and certainly the 5 tilts will not give you the date of the last match. Just as curiosity, I often use the "next day" date when updating, so one knows that the match played the day before is included.

I searched about what the documentation says about the pc&ntupdate usage, and check out here: Template:Infobox football biography. The explanation which says:

{{{club-update}}} (previously {{{pcupdate}}})

A timestamp of the last time the player's infobox career statistics were updated (not needed if the player has retired).

{{{nationalteam-update}}} (previously {{{ntupdate}}})

A timestamp of the last time the player's infobox national statistics were updated (not needed for former players).

may be a bit dubious, as it leaves it open about what "last time" means, the date of the last match (as you sugest), or the date of the simple editing update. However, when you see the exemple from the infobox, you can see they used the date display with 5 tilts - 22:21, 26 October 2009 (UTC) - which confirms that what matters is the time of the editing update. I supose that you never usually used the 5 ~ option for the updates. Neither I did, as the tilts appear in pairs, just like when you sign the comments using 4, but here you need 5 of them, and the 5th is invisible, so it is not much practical for me, as I never know for sure if I tiped it, or nor, and it was allways easier for me just to add the date. FkpCascais (talk) 02:51, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

AL, sory to insist, but there is nothing confusing about this. You are still missinterpreting the updates use. Either you clearly acknolledge that you are wrong, or, if you don´t beleave me, lets expose the case at FOOTY and see what the community has to say.

Sorry, but I am not OK that despite my post here, you keep on doing things your way, wrongly advising editors (as you did with Jaysuc) and even adding exclamation points when removing other people´s (correct in my view) update edits. I need to have a clear answer, not just "it´s confusing so I keep on doing things my way". Sorry for this. FkpCascais (talk) 23:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, é que estou a ver que tens levado isso muito a serio e tens feito muito edits desse genero. O problema é que já é dificil fazer com que os editores atualizem os pc&ntupdates, quanto mais fazê-los ter que ir buscar a data exacta dos jogos, ainda por cima, sem necessidade ao meu ver, já que basta por a data actual... Vou lá deixar a pergunta e ver o que todos dizem. FkpCascais (talk) 23:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

I just now realised that you edit-warred me at Francisco Manuel Durán. Not nice. FkpCascais (talk) 23:40, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

OK, OK, I didn´t meant it as a hursh acusation, but by then I had already approached you here on your talk page, so you could have at least discussed this first. That is why I never want to leave things "confusing" but rather clear them up and decide which edit ahould stay.

Regarding the edit, well, the pc&ntupdate issue is opened at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#PC.26NT_updates_in_infobox. Regarding the categories, I usually tend to use the under-21 NT cat more on top, where the senior NT cat would go (to be together if the two exist), just that. And about the Jagodina sentence, it makes more logic to me to have it in a separate paragraph as it is a new chapter, new country, new league (next we´ll add him the debut data and so...), while we could join the Orihuela data to his career in Spain in the earlier paragraph. Makes sense? FkpCascais (talk) 00:02, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Disculpa irmão, também não estou nos meus dias. Para variar vou ter outra noite com insómnias e tenho a rua cheia de bebados a voltarem do concerto do Rui Veloso e sei lá mais quem que foi organizado pela camara "p´ró povo". Como podes imaginar, a chungaria toda veio ver o concerto gratuito e a minha zona ficou cheia de pessoas desde avozinhas, criancinhas chorosas, criancinhas malandras, miudos bebados, mais toda a chungaria da linha que veio "catar" o "people" aqui da zona... E agora que a "festa" acabou esta tudo a passar na minha rua a mijar a cerveja que beberam pelas entradas dos vizinhos, a gritar, a atirar pedras e paus aos caes, gatos e passaros... isto já dura desde sexta-feira e estou farto.

A coisa do edit, a questão é que não te ia mesmo maçar se não estivesse mesmo quase certo disto. É que eles de certeza que não iam usar os 5 ~ que dão a hora e data do edit para os updates. Em relação do paragrafo, é opcional, claro, más faz sentido ter um novo paragrafo agora que ele se mudou para um novo país, novo campeonato, e eu costumo fazô-lo, em casos como este, sabendo já que vou-lhe por depois a data de estreia e todas as outras coisas que vierem a acontecer. Más o paragrafo pode se separar tambem depois, não ha problema, a maior questão é esta dos updates... Já abrí lá a section, e por favor escreve la alguma coisa se achares que não pus aquilo claro. E acredita, não precisas mesmo fazeras coisas para serem "ao meu gosto" se não estas de acordo com elas, é mais importante decidirmos as coisas (seja quem tiver razão) e fazermos assim a partir de agora. Por exemplo, eu nunca te iria maçar por alguma coisa pequena e insignificante, más só por coisas que implicam muitos artigos nos quais não faría sentido fazermos as coisas de forma diferente e que afectariam possivelmente centenas de artigos (exemplos de updates ou aquelas republicas Jugoslavas). Prefiro que decidamos quem tem razão e porque e façamos as coisas de maneira igual a partir de então. E acredita, para mim nao faz mesmo diferença nenhuma eu não ter razão se assim for, más é só uma questão de consistencia. Se decidirem que a data a usar é a do último jogo, serei o primeiro a aplicâ-la a partir de agora e a aconselhâ-la a todos, o que não concordo é uns fazermos assim e outros assam... Faz sentido? :) FkpCascais (talk) 00:33, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Dúvidas - Ajuda

Olá meu caro amigo Vasco, peço desculpa pelo atraso mas tenho andado longe da internet. Obrigado pela informação sobre os jogadores. Eu já sabia disso, apenas tentei adiantar trabalho ao criar páginas de jogadores que vão jogar na Liga de Honra, mas enfim, lá vieram os controladores que não têm nada para fazer da vida senão estragar trabalho feito. Fiz agora umas alterações nalguns jogadores relativamente à equipa B do Sporting, espero desta vez ter feito de acordo com o que combinámos! Forte abraço, RRR22 (talk) 19:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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The motto of Monash University in Australia is "Ancora imparo". Clever! It means "Always Learning" in both Latin and Italian. --Shirt58 (talk) 15:59, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Honours

Ontem tive a rever os "honours" de todos 1º, 2º e 3ºs classificados da Segunda Liga para actualizar os nomes e usei a página do Belenenses para uniformizar, pareceu-me a mais completa, mas pelos vistos errada. Eu n percebo a dualidade de critérios entre taças e ligas, mas se tá mal, tá mal. Fica no entanto o aviso de que há imensos clubes que estão mal. Secretaria, 20 August, 2012, 3:03 (UTC)

De facto enviaste uma msg no ano passado. Não prestei atenção e ficou soterrada em notificações. A página tava bastante desarrumada até há uns minutos. Eu arranjo as páginas. Uma lembrança, a Liga de Honra voltou a chamar-se Segunda Liga nesta época, daí a alteração nas várias páginas, para além de que os anos de 1990-2000 foram alterados para Segunda Divisão de Honra, que era o verdadeiro nome da competição na altura. Secretaria, 20 August, 2012, 3:15

Ok, eu não sei se a maneira como estás a organizar as secções de "honours" foi acordada previamente ou não, mas acho que devo dizer algo sobre isso:

• Eu usei a página do Manchester United F.C. como base para mudar várias secções. Se estava correcto ou não, é difícil dizer já que cada página de clube inglês parece ser um caso diferente, mas pareceu-me uma forma bem organizada.
• Obviamente que no caso do Rio Ave estar a pôr números é indiferente, mas ponho-os por uma questão de uniformização se comparar com páginas como F.C. Porto ou S.L. Benfica. Eu não vejo como não se pode pôr números nesses páginas com tantos títulos ganhos, e se é para ficar tudo igual, é para ficar tudo igual. O mesmo se pode aplicar com os títulos a negrito e as épocas por baixo. Em páginas com muitos títulos ficaria uma confusão tremenda e, mais uma vez, por uma questão de uniformização, devia-se ter isso em atenção.
• Isto de estar a chamar a 2ª Divisão de 3ª Divisão e a 3ª Divisão de 4ª Divisão não posso concordar. Não é o nome correto das competições e é enganador. Bem sei que é uma salgalhada porque os níveis das competições se alteraram, mas talvez fosse mais enciclopédico pôr o nome correcto e o nível á frente entre parêntesis, como nesta página ou criar uma página para os vencedores da Segunda Liga e predecessores como se faz para as páginas inglesas.
• Quanto à lingua dos títulos, não sei o que é mais correcto, no caso do Rio Ave estava tudo em Português com o nome correcto, mas também tenho dúvidas que seja perceptível para estrangeiros.

Espero que isto seja tenha finalmente conclusão, mas como fizeste a página do Rio Ave não me parece o mais correcto. Secretaria, 27 August, 2012, 9:27 (UTC)

Então sugiro que se continue a usar os campeonatos a negrito com as épocas por baixo em todas as páginas. É preciso ter atenção à mudança dos nomes, porque quando o Rio Ave ganhou a 3ª Divisão em 77, era realmente a 3ª Divisão, só passou a 4ª em 90-91. A questão é ter-se criado uma segunda liga uniformizada e profissional, já que antes de 90, a segunda divisão era regional com finalissima (como acontece agora com o 3º escalão que é basicamente a mesma competição). De qualquer maneira, nem interessa muito que compromisso se consiga chegar agora com as mudanças que vêm na próxima época. A III Divisão (4º escalão) vai ser suprimida e passaremos a ter 3 campeonatos nacionais outra vez (a Primeira Liga e a Segunda Liga geridos pela liga e o renomeado "Campeonato Nacional" gerido pela Federação e que suponho ser ainda a mesma competição de a actual Segunda Divisão). Começo a pensar cada vez mais que a solução para esta confusão é algo como a página List of winners of English Football League Championship and predecessors que é usada para a secção de honras dos clubes ingleses. Secretaria, 28 August, 2012, 16:16 (UTC)

Just a question

Greetings Vasco! Would you kind to help me? I would like to upload some photos, but what is the method when I want to upload them? They have to have some licences or copyright tags or what. Yours sincerely, Creed;)

Llorente again...

Hi there AL. I've made some tweaks to the Llorente page, essentially to clean up the written English and to try to tweak the stats so that they actually add up - there seem to have been some rogue goals added to his early years with Bilbao. I *think* I've got that just about sorted now - although it's not so easy to get the stats to actually agree when comparing different sources of course.

I've also added a little to the lead which you might want to cast an eye over - as well as removing an image which was making life difficult and adding some international detail and stats tables. It's sort of getting there I think. All we need now if for a shed load of speculation about who he might join to start! Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:18, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Looks good to me - the source is better for sure. In the lead, should it be "club legend" or "Bilbao legend" though? The source actually says "Bilbao legend". Or we could go with club "legend"? Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

I think I'd rather go with what the source says if we're going to put it in quotes. And, yes, good teamwork - almost tiki-taka... Blue Square Thing (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Why the name change

Mate, I just noticed you were Vasco. Wow this whole time I thought you were some different user and that Vasco had retired. Anyway I just have to know... why the change? --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:02, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Cheers mate, keep learning :) --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 18:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

César Azpilicueta

Hello. I've warned that user, and explained what the warning was for - the persondata thing does seem odd, I wonder if they had any idea what they were doing - and will keep the page on my watchlist. The interwiki link probably got lost when he reverted to his previous version. As to changing over honours and stats, as far as I recall, that was in relation to one specific article, rather than any sort of community decision. It's a matter of taste. FYI, "right back" is standard English for a right-sided fullback. If someone plays both right-back and right-centre, then you'd probably say "plays on the right of defence" or suchlike. "Right defender" doesn't sound natural. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:39, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps because historically, positions were very specific: there were backs and halfbacks and wing-forwards, so you had a right back and a right half and a right wing. In more recent times, when formations became looser and positions less strictly defined, you ended up having to describe where the player operated rather than just naming his position. That's a theory I just made up, but it sounds convincing. You could always try asking at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

PC&NT updates in infobox

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#PC.26NT_updates_in_infobox. OK? Agreed? FkpCascais (talk) 06:16, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Ó Vasco, vamos lá ver uma coisa, e isto é o que eu não percebo. Tu dizes que não te vais "chatear"... más ias-te chatear por quê? O consenso é consenso, e aquí não há "chatices".

Eu bem te disse que tinha "quase a certeza" (e não disse "toda a certeza" só por cordialidade, porqué não fica bem dizer diretamente que "tenho total certeza que não tens razão") e quís levar isto até o fim por duas razões: a primeira por causa da consistencia e de fazermos as coisas da mesma maneira já que editamos a mesma área da Wikipedia, e a segunda razao foi para te demonstrar que podes confiar mais em mim. Eu disse-te que não te ía chatear se não tivesse quase a certeza absoluta de que tenho razão, más tu pões as minhas recomendações em questão (como se eu fosse um novato aquí). Anteriormente já me fizeste ter que te chamar a atenção pelo assunto das repúblicas Jugoslavas mais do que uma vez. Achas mesmo que te ía chatear com isso se não tivesse mesmo a certeza? É que digo-te desde já de que se não tivesse nao tería problema nenhum em perguntar, e áté me vês muitas vezes perguntando coisas, más mesmo não sendo administrador, já levo bons anos de bagageira com as Wiki-regras (principalmente por causa dos debates politicos e historicos) para saber como funcionam as regras por cá.

Resumindo, uma coisa é editores amigos, e outra é cumprimos as regras. Para mim uma coisa não tem a ver nada com a outra. Podes sempre contar comigo para seja o que for, e já até te disse que se passares por Cascais ou Lisboa que gostava que me visitasses. Más em relação a editar, a mim vais me ver sempre a cumprir o establecido. E se achar que alguma regra não é a ideal, vais me ver a abrir um post e uma discussão para tentar mudâ-la, e nunca a tentar impô~la "a força" nos edits. Por isso tu também, não tens nada que te chatear, ou não, se não concordas com alguma regra o que tens a fazer é discuti-la na talk:footy e tentar convencer os outros das vantagens da tua proposta, se conseguires, tudo bem, se não, paciencia, e não ha "chatices"... Abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 20:10, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Bom dia! Disculpa pot te ter escrito isto tudo acima, é que percebí o "chatear" de outra forma :)

Os 5 tildes funcionam tal e qual a assinatura do comentário. Vais onde diz pcupdate e depois do = deixas um espaço, tal como quando escreves a data carregas nos ~, só que em vez de 4 aquí vais fazê-lo 5 vezes. Tal como com a assinatura, os ~ só aparecem visiveis aos pares por isso vai-te aparecer primeiro 2 depois 4 e quando carregares pela 5ª vez o 5º ~ vai ficar invisivel (vais ter 4 ~ visiveis mas sabes que carregaste 5 vezes). Depois fazes a mesma coisa no ntupdate... Eu acho o esquema um pouco atrapalhado, é que nunca sabes bem se caregaste 5 vezes ou só 4, más parece ser que uma vez habituados muitos editores o usam. Tens que ir esperimentando com o "Show preview" e ver se te aparece a data com a hora. FkpCascais (talk) 06:25, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Timmy

If you think his additions are vandalism, warn him and report him at WP:AIV, but I'm not sure you'll convince them that his edits are vandalism. His English is still poor, but he's not just copypasting now, as far as I can tell. And (apart from at Vierinha) he does seem to be adding sources, which is good. Maybe try undoing the unsourced, incomprehensible or trivial, but copyediting anything that might be useful? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:02, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The Borja Valero bit was close-ish paraphrase, but so is your version. Please can I suggest that if he's adding sourced info that you're going to keep, that you copyedit it with a neutral edit summary such as "copyedit", rather than rolling it back and then re-adding an edited version with a not entirely neutral edit summary. Rollback is ONLY for vandalism: a sourced, relevant edit, even if the English isn't that great, is NOT vandalism. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I wasn't implying your English was as poor as Timmy's. "Close paraphrase" means "not an actual copy-and-paste, but very close to the wording of the source". Kindly rephrase which line? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:55, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Fine by me. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:21, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Hi there, Vasco, didn't know you changed your name. :) I've responded about Vadim Demidov on my talk page. Mentoz86 (talk) 20:05, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Resposta

Por aqui ainda bem corrido, somente em outubro minha vida voltará ao 'normal'. E você, como está? Por mim não tem problema. Pensei que fosse uma regra ou algo assim. E obrigado por avisar. Cuide-se. talk page. Marcospace 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Azpilicueta intro

It's nothing to do with policy or consensus, the other editor was just copyediting the English. He's playing for Chelsea in whatever competitions they play in, not just in the Premier League. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 17:46, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Have I missed something with that Soccernet stats page? As far as I can see, it contains no league games, some domestic cup games, and two European matches. The article's stats table contains lots of league games, a different number of domestic cup games, a very different number of European matches, and a French supercup. Feel free to slap me round the head with a wet fish if I have missed something, but I thought a reference stuck on its own above a stats table would be expected to verify the information in the table: i.e. to link to a reliable webpage that contained the same numbers as in the table? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:44, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Jandro

I don't have anything against you personally but I will continue to edit Wikipedia in line with policies and guidance, and that will include inserting cited references and deleting uncited information, as necessary. You seem to be increasingly trying to WP:OWN certain articles, whereby you instantly revert material that is not exactly how you like it. In particular I note that you immediately reverted my bdfutbol cite. I would also suggest that you tone down your edit summaries. Also, please note that the second paragraph is uncited. Eldumpo (talk) 18:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Re Arruti, not all the facts are supported by the cite e.g. Eibarresa, Alaves .In general, not every word needs to be cited, but the facts need to be, and no one should be including text not supported by a cite. You can just cite once for a whole paragraph of text, as long as all the facts are from that source, although you should not of course just copy the text verbatim. Eldumpo (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Using rollback on apparently non-vandalism edits

Did you have a good reason for this one? Struway2 (talk) 15:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Please try to at least look at an edit before rolling it back. Apart from the fact that we're not supposed to use rollback for anything other than vandalism, it actually takes longer to rollback, go back and fix any of them that were mistakes, and go through the rigmarole and irritation value of discussions afterwards, than it would to wait long enough to inspect an edit first. Most edits aren't vandalism, you know. Have a look at the policy on the subject. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Sock

Hi, if the IP makes more edits I'd recommend you start placing relevant warnings on his TP, or else it's less likely admins will become aware of his actions. You should definitely consider installing WP:TWINKLE, with this it takes only seconds to add warnings. Anyway, I've added the IP to the sockpuppet investigation. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

About Honors

Well, I got your point now. I will do so from now onwards. Thank You. Ashishbirajdar (talk) 17:31, 30 August 2012 (UTC) (From India)

Domingo thingy

Put the title of the Atlético Madrid article i.e. "Domingo Cisma firma por un año por el Atlético de Madrid" into the Google search box (other search engines are available). It's been a hard week... cheers, Struway2 (talk) 07:40, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Our mutual friend is back once more

Greetings AL. Antony1821 seems to be back with 46.103.80.134 and CT Cooper is on vacation, so I notified WP:FOOTBALL instead (see here). Have a great weekend and happy September! – Kosm1fent 19:10, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Whew, CT Cooper blocked the range. However, even if the loan is season-long, the infobox documents the player's current, not future career (see here). Moreover, nobody knows if the loan isn't extended for a year, so 2013 is best left out. Cheers! – Kosm1fent 04:21, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Nicola Legrottaglie

Hello, my fault. We did already correct that, however I was updating players in Calcio Catania roster, but once I saw his was updated, I hit "save" rather than "backspace" Have a good weekend. Sorry again. Ciao! Juve10 (talk) 02:39, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey, no worries whatsoever. I knew there was no rude intent to the message. Thanks again! Juve10 (talk) 02:47, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Your message to IP

AL - my understanding of Spanish may be basic but I know enough, and the message you have sent is completely inappropriate. Please remove it at once. You have to learn to ignore the trolls - see Wikipedia:Deny recognition for why - simply revert and report. GiantSnowman 15:19, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for removing it. You should report to WP:AIV or WP:SPI - and don't forget I'm here. GiantSnowman 15:29, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I;ve warned the Barca IP, I'll continue to monitor. Who's called you a faggot? That's not acceptable at all. GiantSnowman 18:35, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

So you suspect Scoelho86 and the IP are the same editor? One being nice, one being nasty? If so, simply ask Scoelho86 to stay away from you / your talk page - if he doesn't / refuses, we can ask for a formal interaction ban which means administrators will be able to block him if he intervenes. In the meantime, if the IP taunts you anywhere on Wikipedia - let me know as soon as possible. Don't respond, that'll just make him happy to see you angry - I'll deal with it. Sound like a plan? GiantSnowman 18:44, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

I won't protect your userpage yet, but if it happens again I will. GiantSnowman 09:06, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Hola

Hola Vasco, Aqui Coelho. He visto semejante "porqueria" de mensaje que ese bribon degenerado te mando, y la verdad me siento apenado contigo y conmigo mismo porque a pesar que viva aca en Colombia, poseo gracias a mi abuelo la ciudadania portuguesa. Si senor como ud, yo tambien soy portugues (poseo B.I.), y esa catarata de insultos me duelen enormemente a mi tambien, porque ese estereotipo que quiere demostrar el mocoso que te insulta no es la verdadera cara del colombiano, y lo que el dice me hiere en mi orgullo por mis dos patrias. Si ese nino es el futuro del mundo.....que Dios nos agarre confesados!!!!!

Ya habia hablado con los padres del nino, lo adverti de manera cortes y luego fuerte para ver si entendia, pero creo que es perder el tiempo. Ya no puedo hacer mas querido amigo, porque vivo (afortunadamente) lejos de donde antes lo hacia, y porque ya no comparto ip con nadie mas, mi ip ahora es propia y yo me hago responsable de lo que salga de la misma.

Reza un adagio aca: "si te insultan o critican es porque algo estas haciendo bien...y si te insultan mas o que critican mas fuerte, es porque en verdad estas haciendo las cosas muy bien!". Animo Amigo porque se que eres una persona de bien, como creo que somos casi todos los que colaboramos con este proyecto, y si eres quien creo que eres (segun google), eres una persona muy brillante y un ser humano espectacular. No le prestes atencion a los insultos porque son solo palabras vacias, y las palabras quedan en el aire. Vamos y aqui siempre para colaborarte en lo que sea.

Un abrazo caluroso, que tenga una excelente semana. --Scoelho86 (talk) 16:11, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Ud es profesor de ciencia y tecnologia de la Universidad Nova de Lisboa???....a eso me referia eres un genio, una persona brillante. El punto es que no deberia rebajarse a pelear con un perfecto imbecil como ese mocoso

Bueno, no eres el mismo Vasco de Google, pero se que eres una buena persona, y muy responsable porque pocas personas le tienen tanta devocion y dedicacion a algo (como ud a Wiki). Un abrazo y buen dia! --Scoelho86 (talk) 15:24, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Rafik Halliche

Thanks for the heads up Vasco (I guess AL now !), I'm never sure what name to put in the infobox for Portuguese clubs so feel free to correct me if you see any mistakes. Take care my friend. TonyStarks (talk) 18:26, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Bruno Gama

Saudações Vasco.

Peço desculpa pelos erros cometidos, a verdade é que não fiz de propósito. Eu mudei ligeiramente a infobox de maneira a ser mais fácil editar os golos e as apps, nomeadamente das selecções portuguesas, uma vez que ele jogou por muitas (podes confirmar que na tua edição de 6 July 2012, a box está ligeiramente diferente. Penso que como está é mais acessível editar). Obviamente que não quis estragar o teu trabalho. Espero que não tenhas levado a mal. Não voltarei a cometer os referidos erros.

Obrigado pela chamada de atenção e pelo desejo de uma óptima semana, o qual retribuo! Continuação de um excelente trabalho.

Userpage

The protection expired last week. I've re-full protected it, and I haven't set an expiry this time. If you want the protection to be downgraded or removed feel free to ask me or at WP:RFPP. I would block the IP but it's a bit stale now. Hut 8.5 12:53, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

AL

Obrigado pela ajuda. Vou editando a medida que vou aprendendo.--Threeohsix (talk) 18:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Nelson Oliveira

Sorry, I didn't think a reply was needed. I undid your link to Last-minute goal by mistake because I didn't notice it: apologies. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 19:58, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at the template documentation, or at WP:CITEHOW, it might help. Roughly, if it's the name of something that's published, such as the website of a newspaper or a magazine, then it's a "work". If it's the name of something that does the publishing, such as Sky Sports or the BBC, then it's a publisher. There's a grey area in between. Take ESPN Soccernet, or whatever it's called these days. Some people would call it a work, some a publisher, some would say |work=Soccernet |publisher=ESPN. None of which are entirely wrong. Using "work" puts the name in italics, using "publisher" doesn't. On the Sports Illustrated front, I'd say that Sports Illustrated itself was a magazine and hence a work, whereas the website SI.com probably goes in the grey area. Not worth worrying about, either way. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 20:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Sergio Boris González

¿Qué está mal? Su club se llama REAL AVILÉS, no Avilés. Lo que está rematadamente mal es llamar por otro nombre al club que no sea el suyo. Además el artículo no estaba actualizado cuando lo modifiqué. --Xabel10 (talk) 10:17, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Artículos a eliminar

Buenas, al crear la categoría Category:People from Caravaca de la Cruz he creado también por error artículos que deben ser eliminados, pero... no sé cómo; son:

People from Caravaca de la Cruz — Category talk:Caravaca de la Cruz — Category talk:Category:People from Caravaca de la Cruz

¿Puedes eliminarlos o conectar con alguien que tenga poder para eliminarlos?. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 12:40, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Muchísimas gracias. Saludos Mega60 (talk) 14:10, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Re:Various

Hi AL, hope you're well. Regadring the 'People from Caravaca de la Cruz' categoies, all 3 have now been deleted. Regarding the Tiago André Coelho Lopes → Rabiola page move, there is a discussion ongoing - it has been running for a number of days and there appears to be consensus to support the move, however as I have given an opinion it would not be right for me to perform the move, I will ask another admin to do so. Regards, GiantSnowman 07:09, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Hulk

Deixa eu entender, você reverteu minhas edições para depois fazer o mesmo, e ainda errado? Engraçado. E outra, trabalho naquele artigo antes de você sonhar em ser editor. Aquilo tudo ali foi eu que fiz, carreira, estatísticas. Portanto, eu que peço respeito. Um abraço. 186.244.219.101 (talk) 18:19, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Notification

Hey, ahhhh good to know. I just liked your contributions and wanted to say welcome. Thanks and keep it up yourself, greetings from Germany. ;) Kante4 (talk) 19:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Ignacio Lafita

Hi Vasco - Ignacio Lafita has been PRODded and the IP has been warned. Let me know if you see him again. GiantSnowman 07:47, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Paul Abasolo

So sorry! I was on holidays, and, when I came back, I only read the message that was written after yours... I didn't notice your message at all. I'll provide a second English title right now. Thanks for the reminder! --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 09:15, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

The article is now quite complete indeed — and the article history shows that you've been the biggest contributor both in content and editions, so congratulations!

My holidays were great really... I only wish they were longer! I hope you could enjoy your holidays as well. --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 06:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Michu and Real Oviedo NAME

Hi AL. Why did u erese my text about Michu early years?. He was a Real Oviedo player. He played in Real Oviedo Senior before gone to Celta B. And the real name for this spanish team is Real Oviedo not Oviedo. I know Racing de Santander and sporting de Gijón have Real in their names but Real Oviedo case is similar to Real Sociedad. You can´t say Sociedad, Do u know?. Have a good week too. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuriximmonat (talk • contribs) 12:13, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Santi Carzola

Very Sorry for the late replies. I am very busy right now and I dont plan on doing normal wiki work till Friday (Just started school and trying to adjust and of course... SUMMER READING TESTS!). Till then I am only coming on wiki to update scores and results for the ongoing state leagues in India and the Indian Federation Cup. You were not rude at all and I dont want to make it seem like that, I am just to busy right now. Also I have only looked at the Early Career of Santi and I agree that it should have been deleted but I wont do a normal check of the page and your edits till Friday. I will probably check the page more in between now and Friday but I wont tell you till Friday as I want to tell you once instead of doing one part and then coming again and again. Cheers and see ya Friday. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 19:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Hey mate. I see the problems you are seeing with the Santi article. Dont worry. I am back now (took a few extra days to catch up on Indian football as the season begins in 2 days) so the page is in my watchlist and I shall take over the reverting then so you avoid the 3RR rule. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 15:53, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Real Oviedo Rivalries

Hi. Did u delete rivalries in Real Oviedo?Why? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuriximmonat (talk • contribs) 13:43, 12 September 2012 (UTC) Hi Al. Well done. Thanks for you help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nuriximmonat (talk • contribs) 16:49, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Pandiani

• Piping: oddly enough, I did know that the R in the full names of the clubs commonly known as Mallorca and Espanyol stood for Real. I can even spell it, even though it's not my native language any more than it is yours. Though English is. In my opinion, Mallorca is sometimes referred to as Real Mallorca in English, Espanyol isn't, ever, Real Madrid is, and Betis probably is more than not. See WP:COMMONNAME.
• Transfermarkt: it tends to be added to articles out of habit, and rarely adds anything that other ELs such as BDFutbol don't. The external links section isn't just a place to list all the stats sites, reputable or otherwise, that mention the article subject's name. See WP:EL.
• Next time I edit the Pandiani article, or any other, please feel free to undo any of my changes you think are wrong and use your edit summary to explain what's wrong, or if there isn't room in the edit summary, please use the article's talk page. That way any discussion as to content or structure of the problem article can be kept local to that article, where it belongs, and can perhaps be constructively addressed by editors other than just the two of us here. Thank you. Struway2 (talk) 15:48, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

OK, I'll be straight with you. I bloody well resented you using an anti-vandal procedure to scrap my copyedit of the Walter Pandiani article, thus wasting a fair amount of my time, and then coming to my talk page with an apology that turned into a rant:

"again (again) the piping of clubs, and this time i must protest: all the clubs are to be piped to their commonnames? OK but, that being the case, what about Real Betis? Do you know what the "R" in Espanyol, Mallorca, etc stands for? Surprise, surprise, R-E-A-L!",

and then using my name in your edit summary. I did not suggest you remove that link. You asked me why I'd removed it, so I told you.

I know it's easy to misinterpret things that are said online, where we can't use tone of voice or body language, and I apologise for any over-reaction on my part. It must be doubly difficult in a foreign language. But please try to ease off a bit. There really is no need to assume that every editor is a vandal waiting to pounce, or that every editor who touches an article that you've improved is there to spoil your work. Perhaps this conversation has gone on long enough. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) AL, quickly regarding this - you should not use rollback in a content dispute, only if it is vandalism. GiantSnowman 15:12, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Timmy

So are the previous four. He is getting out of hand again. If you feel like reporting him to anyone, please do. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

1998 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads

Hi Vasco,

Someone has added squad numbers and a squad of players to the 1998 UEFA European Under-21 Football Championship squads page without a reference. I have found a link of match reports of that tournament and some of the players who played for Russia are not included on the list. The person who has done this does not have an account but he has left his ip address.

User:Alexgreene87 (talk) 13:08, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Rabiola

Have a look at Wikipedia:Requested moves#Backlog - it's just in the queue, waiting to be dealt with. GiantSnowman 18:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Marco António Pereira Leal

Thanks, tagged it - you know, you should learn to PROD/AfD articles. GiantSnowman 22:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Have a read of WP:PROD and then give me a shout if you need any help. GiantSnowman 16:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Nuno Gomes

Saudações caro Vasco, espero que esteja tudo bem.

Como te disse uma vez, eu vou buscar os internacionalizações dos jogadores portugueses ao site da federação.

Recentemente editei as caps do Nuno Gomes (podes confirmar aqui a veracidade das mesmas: http://www.fpf.pt/portal/page/portal/PORTAL_FUTEBOL/DOCS/DFF/MAPA_0.pdf) O problema é que não sei citar a fonte, uma vez que a informação está contida em pdfs. Será que me podias dar um toque na página?

Agradeço desde já.

Cumprimentos!

Vasco, essa lista foi a última convocatória do Nuno Gomes. Teoricamente nós sabemos que ele fez mais dois jogos pela selecção, contra a Islândia e a Dinamarca, mas não está "no papel".

Saudações! P3DRO (talk) 16:33, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Replies

Hi AL.

Regarding David Zurutuza, what evidence do we have that he is Spanish? Having a Spanish father does not mean he also holds that nationality.

Regarding the Egyptian, I have issued a final warning - let me know if he continues and I'll block. Regards, GiantSnowman 09:32, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying, I will give Kolins a final warning. GiantSnowman 14:35, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Templates

Hello,

Where does it written that the templates' order is: '1 - club templates; 2 - national team templates; 2 - award templates'? Is there any rule about it?

Regards, Gelu6 (talk)

• I see that this is only your point of view. I've got the other one: Awards, like Ballon d'Or are the biggest success for footballers. The second place is on which tournaments he played with his national team. It's the success too but less valuable. And the last place should be for his club where the footballers playes. It's the most changable and less important thing.

Regards, Gelu6 (talk) 07:23, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Footmi

I've warned him about this before - although not for a few months - and so I've warned him again. If he continues, I'll block. GiantSnowman 13:50, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Re: Heinze

Dude, it's OK, I'm not angry with you or anything. I'm just very busy and I don't have time to reply personally to every discussion that may require my attention. What did you think of my change to the Heinze article earlier today? – PeeJay 21:03, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

The reason why I add info to both the "work" and "publisher" parameters is that the club website is a "work" that is "published" by the club. Clubs may publish a number of different works, and have certainly been known to in the past, so I feel it is worth mentioning the specific work that each reference comes from.

And with regard to the honours, like I said at WT:FOOTY, my position depends on whether community consensus is to add non-first-place "honours". If everyone else thinks we should add runners-up etc. then I think third-places should be added too (as long as a medal is given out for third place). – PeeJay 06:46, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

It's not up to me to approve any consensus we come to at WT:FOOTY. If we come to a consensus, I will abide by it, although I may not necessarily agree with it. – PeeJay 01:01, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Haris Medunjanin

Looking better now? GiantSnowman 17:55, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Sorted now? GiantSnowman 18:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Sportspeople from Montevideo

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Oi, meu caro. Como percebes, tenho andado muito pouco por aqui ultimamente. Mas sempre quando sobra um tempinho, aqui estou. Quanto ao teu pedido, totalmente de acordo. Do jeito que você colocou, ficou melhor do que nosso amigo, que tem boa intenção também, mas não concordava com a maneira que ele colocou. Aproveito para já te fazer um pedido. Em Carles Puyol, há um usuário colocando 'Spain' ao invés de 'Catalonia' (aquele velho assunto de sempre). Se ele reverter mais uma vez, você pode conversar com ele e explicar a situação? Desde já, obrigado. Abraço.

Mais uma vez, obrigado pela ajuda. Quanto aos runner-ups, sim, mais uma vez foram removidos. Esse assunto já é tão chato quanto da localização dos nascimentos. Enfim, vamos seguindo restaurando, quando percebemos. Saudações.

Oi Vasco. O 'tal' usuário já removeu mais duas vezes o runner-up do Puyol, mas reverti as edições. Também coloquei (novamente) nos demais jogadores, como o Pedro, Valdés, Iniesta, etc. Se você quiser (e puder) dar uma olhava, ver se ficou tudo certo. No Daniel Alves falta do Sevilha. Abraços.

Amigo, já tomei nota das tuas observações. Aquela da Champions League eu não sabia. Já arrumei os que estavam como tinha colocado. Tentei novamente refazer os runner-ups dos jogadores, mas alguns ainda faltam. Quanto ao Daniel Alves e ao Adriano Correia tem que colocar (ou melhorar) o do tempos de Sevilla. Em relação ao Andreu Fontàs, não fui eu que coloquei. Pelo que me lembro, ele ficou no banco em uma partida da semi-final, mas não jogou. Na final, foi convocado, mas não ficou no banco, porém recebeu a medalha também ao fim do jogo, assim como o Gabriel Milito e o terceiro goleiro, o Oier Olazábal. Enfim, nesse caso não sei qual seria a solução. Alguma sugestão? Ah, e está faltando o runner-ups nele também.

Está ótimo então! Quando puder, olha o Daniel Alves e o Adriano Correia. E vou ficar recolocando o runner-ups todas as vezes que forem removidos.--marcospace (talk) 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Honours

The article talk page should be used, and you should use reliable sources to verify. GiantSnowman 11:48, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Ángel Riau

Hi AL - firstly, you please need to really start using the article talk page for content disputes, you cannot use rollback - it is for vandalism only! Secondly, you have provided a reference that he is a winger (and as far as I'm concerned, a winger is a midfielder) - that should be enough. If it's not - use the talk page. GiantSnowman 21:06, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm saying I agree with you. A winger is a midfielder - hence why the relevant paragraph is located at Midfielder#Winger. Let's take it to the article talk page. GiantSnowman 21:22, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

No, I'm asking you both to stop edit warring.

It shouldn't just be down to us to determine what positions people play. We should base on reliable sources, ideally English-language. Consensus at Footy is that Transfermarkt is not regarded as a reliable source. Mind you, taking a step back, is this player notable. Does he meet GNG? Eldumpo (talk) 21:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Many stat/databases only use 'defender' / 'midfielder' as opposed to 'right back' / 'winger' etc. for simplicity. As for notabolity, that is a different matter. GiantSnowman 21:28, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

I see you've added Spanish language sources to cite he is a winger, and if that's what they say fair enough but until the extra refs you added there were little reliable sources saying that. You should've concentrated on adding these sources in the first place rather than just straight-reverting my edits. The only revert I made was when you removed cited material. It is unfortunate that the article has no English-language cites and I would request you would add them back in. Also, the tone of your talk comments on my page is unnecessary. Eldumpo (talk) 06:43, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

Rollback

Hello. What do you want to happen? Do you think you can manage the self-control to only use rollback after you've looked at the edit in question and found it to fit into the permitted uses at WP:ROLLBACK#When to use rollback? if you can, and want to try, then please do so. But if it's too difficult, you might be wise to ask an admin to withdraw it. It doesn't take much longer to deal with an offending edit by clicking "undo" and typing "rvv" or whatever's appropriate in the edit summary. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 14:36, 26 September 2012 (UTC)

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Pablo Alfaro Armengot

Hello. As to "removed without explanation", a cited source not being online and fully formatted isn't a reason for considering it in some way not "proper". There's no requirement for references to be online. And the original editor supplied enough info – newspaper, date, author – for an online copy to be found easily enough.

The editor who removed that info was correct in that the LFP.es match details and the Mundo Deportivo contemporary match report don't include Mr Alfaro. They do include a Pablo, but LFP.es lists him as "Pablo R.FJ." Together, those two sources are in my opinion plenty solid enough to justify removing the content.

Not sure how you work out that Sansón was younger than Alfaro when he made his debut. Sansón was the youngest top-flight debutant when he made his debut in 1939, at 15 years 255 days according to his WP page, or 15 years 8 months 11 days in the ABC article that gives Alfaro his (supposed) debut at 15 years 4 months 12 days. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:53, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Este es el partido: 09/09/1984 Barcelona 4 Zaragoza 0 → http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/p/p.php?id=15410

...y el Pablo que juega es Pablo Rodríguez Janted → http://www.bdfutbol.com/en/j/j3493.html

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 15:33, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

You have to weigh up the quality of the sources. The governing body's official record arguably outweighs a couple of sentences in pieces written 20 and 25 years later about other people, and it's certainly true that once something gets written somewhere in the media, it can become what that editor called a "factoid" and get re-used without checking. I'm not saying the LFP source is definitively correct – it's quite possible that they got the identity of "Pablo" wrong – just that removing the content based on those sources was reasonable. I see from Mega60's post above that LFP's "Pablo R.F." is BDFutbol's "Pablo R.J."

What's needed is Mr Alfaro talking about the circumstances of his debut, or an LFP or Real Zaragoza source confirming him as their youngest debutant. And without that level of confirmation, there are clear doubts about the story – on es.wiki, es:Pablo Alfaro doesn't mention the matter, and es:Primera División de España#Jugadores names Sansón as youngest debutant – so it's best to omit it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:44, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

LFP.es lists him as "Pablo R.J." R.F. mistake

--Mega60 (talk) 15:49, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Si Pablo Alfaro hubiera jugado el partido contra el Barcelona, cuando ficha por este equipo lo hubiera comentado en esta entrevista → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1992/07/03/pagina-2/1431354/pdf.html / http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1992/07/03/pagina-3/1249962/pdf.html

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 15:51, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Well spotted on the initials. And I think you're right: it would have been mentioned in that interview. Thanks, Struway2 (talk) 15:57, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandal

And how he's uploading unfree images, in one instance overriding a free image. Sockpuppet investigation initiated. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:17, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

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I've fixed it - however, it is unreferenced, out-of-dated, and uses a template format which is discouraged. Unless any/all of those are fixed, I will remove the table later on today. Regards, GiantSnowman 14:38, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I will convert the table later. GiantSnowman 14:44, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

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Carleonel

Hi Vasco - all you have to do it use the warning templates in incremental level, per WP:WARN. After he's reached 5, report to AIV. Let me know if this guy keeps at it. GiantSnowman 07:45, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

A stub is a subjective thing, but per WP:DESTUB - "Be bold in removing stub tags that are clearly no longer applicable" - though don't edit war over the tag. GiantSnowman 14:14, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Pablo

De acuerdo. Es de un íntimo amigo de la infancia y puede que no sea adecuado poner la descripción de Joaquín pero es que es un "mini-joaquín" jeje, pero ya lo pondremos cuando sea más conocido ante los medios. Las posiciones que puse fueron las que él me dijo textualmente. Un saludo y disculpa las molestias :) Qampunen (talk) 18:11, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Puede que le llamen Pablo González en los artículos, pero González a secas... nunca. Qampunen (talk) 13:22, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Si a mi encanta que la gente se interese por el artículo, significa que las cosas le están saliendo bien y que se está dando a conocer. Por ponerte un ejemplo, al guardameta del Osasuna le llaman Andrés o Andrés Fernández, pero Fernández solo no lo he visto nunca. Qampunen (talk) 17:06, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

André Gomes - Referências

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Oleguer resposta

Sim, amigo. Tinha achado estranho dele ir para uma equipe "amadora", que atua na 5ª divisão. Está certo que o Oleguer nunca foi craque, mas teria espaço numa 2ª ou 3ª divisão. E concordo com você: pela visão política de 'esquerda', ele acaba sendo mais visado e propenso a esse tipo de "brincadeiras". De toda forma, como você mesmo disse, o Oleguer é "radical" demais, o que também colabora para ser alvo.--Marcospace (talk) 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Francisco Lesmes

No, you are correct, it was just a typo! Regards, GiantSnowman 14:25, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Full names

I've also left the IP a message. Regards, GiantSnowman 14:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

I've left a further message; if he continues, I'll consider blocking him for disruptive editing. GiantSnowman 14:23, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Manuel Machado (football manager)

I aplogise if I have done something wrong. What was wrong with the Manuel Machado (football manager) page, was it the links.

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Francisco Lesmes

En Enero de 2008 la Real Federación Española de Fútbol editó el libro HISTORIA DEL FÚTBOL ESPAÑOL - SELECCIÓN NACIONAL ABSOLUTA - FICHAS PERSONALES DE JUGADORES y en éste Francisco Lesmes nace el 06/11/1922.

Aquí → http://books.google.es/books?id=DoGtMeqV-fAC&pg=PA554&lpg=PA554&dq=Francisco+Lesmes+1922&source=bl&ots=7IFW9mEWla&sig=X86aNiE5lA3gqINrjbBJK0jZ-W4&hl=es&sa=X&ei=tIqBUMuaL8qEhQeKy4CQCg&ved=0CG8Q6AEwDg#v=onepage&q=Francisco%20Lesmes%201922&f=false también nace el 06/11/1922.

En un librito editado en 1974 Super Dinámico 1974-1975 - Actuación internacional española desde 1920 y breve biografía de cada jugador también nace el 06/11/1922.

Continuaré investigando...

Por cierto, solamente fue una vez internacional, el otro partido que aparece lo jugó su hermano recientemente fallecido, voy a notificar el error a BDFutbol. Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 17:27, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Bueno, en la búsqueda por la red nace el año 1924 (¿estará equivocada la Federación Española?)

http://www.abc.es/hemeroteca/historico-13-08-2005/abc/CastillaLeon/la-muerte-de-paco-lesmes-viste-de-luto-a-la-familia-blanquivioleta_61146321822.html

http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2011/03/26/valladolid/1301153988.html

http://realvalladolid.elnortedecastilla.es/leyendas/

http://futboleriadeceuta.blogspot.com.es/2008/12/la-muerte-de-paco-lesmes-viste-de-luto.html

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 06:14, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Partidos como internacional

BDFutbol → http://bdfutbol.superforos.com/viewtopic.php?t=4471

Super Dinámico 1974-1975 - Actuación internacional española desde 1920 y breve biografía de cada jugador → http://imageshack.us/a/img818/1997/dinamico74.jpg

HISTORIA DEL FÚTBOL ESPAÑOL - SELECCIÓN NACIONAL ABSOLUTA - FICHAS PERSONALES DE JUGADORES → http://imageshack.us/a/img689/7218/sel08t.jpg

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 09:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Fecha nacimiento

Pues bien, la fecha correcta de nacimiento es 04/03/1924, un compañero de BDFutbol tiene copia de la inscripción del nacimiento en el Registro Civil de Ceuta y es ese día, mes y año.

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 07:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Oleguer Presas

Hello! Oleguer has never played in the Guixols. The first false story was published in local media on 28 December (Holy Innocents), where it is customary to include any false news com a joke. There are believed to be Spanish media and published the joke. Sorry for my english! --Beusson (talk) 06:02, 20 October 2012 (UTC)

Fernando Silva (footballer born 1977)

Yes, Silva is notable - he has played at senior international level in an official match. It doesn't matter if it's Brazil or Andorra. As for Kolins, just remove the links and leave him a templated warning. I know he won't respond, but we can at least evidence attempts to discuss/warn him. GiantSnowman 08:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Josu Urrutia

Sí que jugó en 1984 el partido de la huelga, en un principio los juveniles del Athletic (Urrutia era juvenil) debían jugar con el primer equipo (por si los jugadores del filial Bilbao Athletic también se declaraban en huelga)

Lista de convocados del Athletic en el partido contra en Sevilla, ABC Sevilla → http://hemeroteca.abcdesevilla.es/nav/Navigate.exe/hemeroteca/sevilla/abc.sevilla/1984/09/08/044.html

Al final los futbolistas del Bilbao Athletic jugaron en Sevilla con el primer equipo del Athletic y los juveniles por el Bilbao Athletic contra el Salamanca

Partido Bilbao Athletic - Salamanca, Mundo Deportivo → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1984/09/10/pagina-19/1114623/pdf.html

Un partido del Athletic Bilbao juvenil, Mundo Deportivo → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1985/06/23/pagina-8/1120652/pdf.html

Este Urrutia es el mismo Urrutia presidente actual. Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 11:40, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Nope, you've dealt with the issues the maintenance tags were raising, and so you were 100% correct in removing them. Regards, GiantSnowman 13:57, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Javier Patiño

Hello. As to references, see WP:CITEHOW. Authors where named are required; many people don't bother with adding agencies, even when it's clearly an agency piece. Obviously, if a piece doesn't have a named author, then we don't include one: is that really baffling? As Mr Patiño hasn't got an international career, why would information about his personal life, such as his birthplace and the nationality of his mother, want to be titled International career? And as you ought to know by now, not being able to communicate with a particular editor doesn't justify rolling back their addition of valid sourced information. As to Facebook/Twitter, have a look at WP:ELOFFICIAL: there's nothing inherently unencyclopedic about including a link to the subject's official facebook/twitter (as opposed to fansites etc). hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 13:39, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Perhaps he was unaware that WP:EL explicitly permits links to subjects' official sites? cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:54, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Re your "cleanup": the source Diario (de) Córdoba appears to be called Diario Córdoba and not Diario de Córdoba, if their about page is anything to go by. And Mr Patiño having a Spanish father is unsourced.

As to official Facebook/Twitters/personal websites, they're not an alternative to stats sites or club profiles or newspaper articles, they're to give an insight into the subject's view of themselves. I wouldn't argue for the inclusion of everyone's facebook/twitter: most are as crap as anyone else's social networking pages, but some are informative, and those are allowed. I have no view on the encyclopedic value of Mr Patiño's personal sites. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 14:10, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

José Antonio Kote Pikabea

Done!

You're right, Kote is a nickname. It's been a pleasure to help you in that. --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 23:47, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Sub-sections in storylines

Fine by me Al, but when have I not answerd?Katz191 (talk) 17:37, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

• I saw the page after I had worked on it, and perferred your take. It was just a page of writing, so I considerd categorizing it, but I'm not an exper editor... Katz191 (talk) 17:52, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Jordi Pablo Ripollés

Error; es lo que pasa al hacer "copiar y pegar" rápidamente.

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 09:03, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Citing sources

The more details the better. {{Cite web}} gives a full list. As for BBC/British Broadcasting Coroporation, one is work=, one is publisher=. The publisher may be the company that owns the newspaper, for example. GiantSnowman 17:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

AFD/PROD

Hi AL. I have PRODded Mem Martins Sport Clube. As for AfD, see WP:AFDHOWTO. Let me know if you need any help! GiantSnowman 19:50, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi AL formerly known as Vasco. Sorry to butt in, but if you turn on Twinkle in my preferences then you'll be able to PROD/AFD articles no problem as it does all steps in one. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem, hope your keeping well. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:33, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Overlinking

Sorry, I just read very quick some paragraphs of the article and didn't notice those links so near up there... I'll be more careful next time. Happy week to you too! --Xabier Armendaritz^(talk) 20:56, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Francisco Martos

Martos no ha jugado con el Barcelona B, la temporada 2003/04 juega con el Barcelona C (aún no tengo los partidos y goles), también la temporada 2004/05 (28 partidos, 1 gol), y también la temporada 2005/06 (28 partidos, ningún gol).

En cuanto a las temporadas en el Barcelona él declara que entra con 9 años → http://www.calentandobanquillo.com/2009/10/la-entrevista-javi-martos.html

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 10:20, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Runner-up

Oi V, B aqui. Então, é a mesma pessoa sim. O jeito é ficar de olho e reverter... não há outro modo. Igual no Rogério Ceni, onde constantemente é inserido o número total de jogos e gols... já escrevi em português e inglês, mas as pessoas não entendem. Então eu só cuido e reverto. Paciência... é assim mesmo. Abraço --Marcospace (talk) 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Mem Martins Sport Clube

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AL something went wrong with the AfD so I had to complete it on your behalf, but you'll have to add the reason for the AfD here → Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mem Martins Sport Clube. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 17:56, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

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Raúl García Carnero

Notificado el cambio a BDFutbol → http://bdfutbol.superforos.com/viewtopic.php?t=4525

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 22:30, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Equipos de Fuengirola

CD Fuengirola 1931–1992 → http://arefepedia.wetpaint.com/page/C.D.+Fuengirola

UD Fuengirola 1992–2001 → http://arefepedia.wetpaint.com/page/U.D.+Fuengirola

CD Los Boliches 1973–2001 → http://arefepedia.wetpaint.com/page/C.D.+Los+Boliches

UD Fuengirola-Los Boliches 2001–... → http://arefepedia.wetpaint.com/page/U.D.+Fuengirola-Los+Boliches es en este equipo que juega Fernando Velasco Salazar

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 12:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Archive

No idea to be honest - and I always prefer manual archiving. GiantSnowman 12:59, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Did it stop archiving when you changed your username? if so, perhaps it's because the archive target is a subpage of your old username, and it might bother the bot that the source and target users are different. That's just a guess, though. The bot's definitely still working, because it did mine a couple of days ago. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 13:12, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Andoni Iraola

Hi, regarding your recent revert at Andoni Iraola, I'd like to assure you that my removal of Baskonia from the infobox was not vandalism, but was due to this content not being cited. I was going by BDFutbol, which makes no reference to him playing for this club. The Baskonia infobox information should either be referenced or removed until a reference can be found. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:11, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Everything's cool, I never replied as there wasn't anything to add, as I understand and accept the points you made. Especially with the stats issue being resolved with Struway adding a general reference to cover them. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:36, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Ronaldo Stalker

Hello, I went back through the Ronaldo article and changed the club names back to what the talk page consensus was for them. However, as you pointed out, Marcospace did make some constructive edits so I left those in place -- I should have looked closer at his edits the first time. Here's the thing, Marcospace knows what the talk page consensus for the club names is as every few months he goes through and changes the names to what he thinks they should be. And then I, or other editors, change them back, and leave a note on his talk page to discuss the matter at the Ronaldo talk page. For whatever reason Marcospace refuses to discuss the issue or work to change the consensus to his way of thinking; he exhibits classic ownership issues with respect to that article in clear violation of the established consensus.

As a side note, the biggest point of contention is the name "Inter Milan" vs. "Internazionale" but as we've all recently seen the project-wide consensus is that the name of that club's article should be "Inter Milan" because that is by far the most common name used in English. The club name argument at the Ronaldo article is the same thing: consensus is to use the most common names in English while Marcospace wants to use different names. Anyway, maybe you can get through to him that instead of edit-warring he should discuss the issue and work to reach a new consensus. Thanks. SQGibbon (talk) 17:05, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Borussia Mönchengladbach

It may be a large name, but other players, such as Luuk de Jong and Mike Hanke, uses the full name. Are there some different rules for different players? Arbero (talk) 17:25, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Rosa

Always Learning,

Gostaria que deixasses estar a seccção de títulos do Miguel Rosa como ela está. Primeiro porque a maneira como meteste é um salgalhada de todo o tamanho e desta maneira é mais fácil de ler. Segundo porque são prémios diferentes, estás a misturar prémios CNID com prémios do SJPF. Vê, por exemplo, a página do Ryan Giggs e vê que eles não misturam o PFA Young Player of the Year, com o PFA Team of the Year, com o PFA Team of the Century, com o Premier League Player of the Month, etc. Está tudo devidamente separado. O prémio de melhor jogador jovem e melhor jogador da 2ª liga são atribuídos pelo CNID e nada têm a ver com os prémios de melhor jogador do mês. Não faz sentido estarem misturados, são entidades diferentes.

Não se trata dum desrespeito ao teu trabalho, antes pelo contrário, tu é que parece que estás a desrespeitar o trabalho dos outros. Não é preciso vires com ironias baratas a dizer que tens muito tempo livre para editar.

Saudações desportivas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.81.62.13 (talk) 12:55, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

José Moré Bonet

He añadido tres temporadas con el Barcelona Atlético y también la altura. Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 00:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Una entrevista cuando ficha por el Valladolid → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1976/08/08/pagina-11/1023302/pdf.html --Mega60 (talk) 00:20, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Óscar González Marcos

Vamos con lo encontrado; Óscar hace la pretemporada con el primer equipo llegando desde el juvenil → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/2001/07/11/pagina-21/447668/pdf.html

Lleva el dorsal nº 27 lo cual significa que tiene ficha con el equipo filial (no se sabe si juega partidos, el Valladolid B está en Tercera División y no hay datos), aquí → http://www.linternadevelasco.es/2010/09/quien-es-oscar-gonzalez-marcos.html por lo que explica del debut con el Valladolid (no tenían preparada ni la camiseta) parece claro que pertenecía al segundo equipo.

Más información → http://www.as.com/futbol/articulo/anos-cisne/20111007dasdaiftb_15/Tes juega dos partidos en Tercera División

En cuanto al Santa Marta y el Salamanca, http://oscargonzalezfans.galeon.com/opiniones.html → aquí pone Su juego llamó la atención en el equipo de la capital y en el Valladolid, que finalmente consiguió su ficha por una módica cantidad, gracias a la habilidad negociadora de Ramón Martínez ...(equipo de la capital se refiere al Salamanca) por lo que parece que pasa del Santa Marta al Valladolid directamente sin pasar por el Salamanca.

Otra cosa, cuando ficha por el Olympiakos se pagan unos derechos de formación y aquí → http://fcylf.es/enequipo/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=3&Itemid=4 hablan del Santa Marta y no del Salamanca.

En resumen y visto lo anterior, en mi opinión juega la temporada 2001/2002 en el Valladolid B (2 partidos) y en categorías de formación pasa del Santa Marta al Valladolid. Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Cheryshev

Hola, Vasco! sobre tu valoración de Cheryshev me surge una duda. Desde cuándo es ambiguo ser hispano-ruso? eso lo decide el derecho y la legislación, no? a mí es que estas cosas tan subjetivas de Wikipedia me ponen los pelos de punta. De verdad. PD, recuerdas el artículo de Cheryshev que en verano los eruditos de Wikipedia decidieron que no tenía relevancia enciclopédica. Al mes Cheryshev asciende con su equipo a Segunda, hace la pretemporada con Mourinho y unos meses más tarde es internacional absoluto. Pero claro, "es que nadie en esas fechas podría elucubrar sobre el futuro de un jugador en formación y bla, bla, bla...". Pero bueno, es una opinión (la mía) de un mierdecilla wikipedista que no va a ninguna parte. Saludos. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hola, Vasco! Para nada dije lo de mierdecilla por ti. Precisamente lo dije por mí, porque soy una mierdecilla dentro de este sistema de WP y que pese a que considero que puedo aportar opiniones interesantes sobre "cómo hacer", observo que sólo manejan los hilos los wikipedistas TOP, como diría Mourinho. No me refería a ti en ningún caso y menos despectivamente, además quizá seas el único con el que mantengo una relación fluída, lo cual te agradezco. Vasco, tengo una propuesta para WP inglesa desde hace un tiempo pero sé que si la realizo yo no va a llegar a ninguna parte. Se trata de poner una nueva sección en los infobox de jugador/entrenador de fútbol, concretamente sería una sección dentro del historial de equipos entrenados, pero que haya "Youth career" también, como en los jugadores. Todo esto viene a causa de una edición en André Villas-Boas en la que puse en su historial de manager "Porto (youth)" como solemos poner en muchos entrenadores, y revierten la edición diciendo que sólo procede senior career. El rayo que no cesa (talk) 20:19, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Apology

You did not make an edit at that time and all of the edits that I can see have summaries. Sometimes wp:huggle skips to another page without my realizing it; that might have happened. I apologize for the erroneous request / warning. Thanks for the note & happy editing! Jim1138 (talk) 17:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Unknown stats in infobox

Personally, I think that from the reader's point of view, questionmarks look a bit amateurish, so I leave them blank. But there's no definitively "correct" answer. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 18:39, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Olá

Hi, Vasco. I saw your new name on a talk page on my watchlist. I hope things are well with you. Até logo, Tiderolls 03:19, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Manuel Peña Escontrela

La segunda temporada en el Cádiz no está "desaparecida", no juega ningún partido → http://cadistas1910.awardspace.com/ficha_temp.php?idtemp=121 y sí, en la primera juega 28 partidos (error mío, erro mío, error mío...)

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Olinga

Sorry, I didn't see your original question. Standard procedure at WP:FOOTY is that a player's youth career in the infobox is closed once he starts playing for senior teams. Regardless of whether he's still below pro contract age and still playing youth team football. See e.g. Theo Walcott, Jermaine Pennant, John Bostock. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 15:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

If you think it's the wrong way to do it, then please feel free to suggest it's done differently. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:33, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Omar Hernández García

You need to complete the other steps listed at WP:AFDHOWTO. You should also add the AfD tag as a seperate edit, and mention in your edit summary that you are nominating for deletion. GiantSnowman 17:15, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Feel free to ask for more help if you get stuck! GiantSnowman 17:29, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Vasco, I've finished the AfD for you - you got 2 out of 4 right! GiantSnowman 08:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

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A beer for you!

One last beer? Happy trails VASCO! Drmies (talk) 15:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Retiring

AL - don't retire, just take a few days off to re-charge. If you still want to go after you've thought about it then I'll delete your user page. Regards, GiantSnowman 15:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Take care, mate, whatever you end up doing. All the best, Struway2 (talk) 15:51, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• You are precisely the type of editor that we struggle to keep here, and why I started Wikiproject Editor Retention. Perhaps take a look, consider a radical change in what you do here, or just feel free to contact me via email or at my talk page. I don't know you personally, but if there is something that I can do to make it more worthwhile for you to stay here, I would like to offer my support. We are a very creative bunch over there, and perhaps there is a way we can work together and make editing at Wikipedia more rewarding for everyone. Dennis Brown - 2¢ © Join WER 16:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

• I've deleted your user page - it can be restored at the click of a button should you ever come back (and I hope you do)! GiantSnowman 19:36, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

God damnit Vasco! Why do you leave us when we need you most! Seriously though, good luck in your future endeavors and like Snowman said, I hope you come back. Also I will take care of the Santi Cazorla page as I know you have been heavily monitoring that page for while. Cheers and good luck. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 19:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Why can't we get all the people together in the world that we really like and then just stay together? I guess that wouldn't work. Someone would leave. Someone always leaves. Then we would have to say good-bye. I hate good-byes. I know what I need. I need more hellos. May the road rise up to meet you, may the wind be ever at your back. May the sun shine warm upon your face and the rain fall softly on your fields. And until we meet again, Adeus Vasco. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:17, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Vasco. Let me echo the wishes already expressed by some here. Take a break; take a month, take three. You may find your interest renewed. The project is always in need of new blood, but the experienced editors are valuable as well. Whatever your final decision, I wish you well and thank you for all your work here. Até logo, meu amigo Tiderolls 21:26, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the rest. Take a vacation. You'll see you will want to come back. We need good editors like you. -- Alexf^(talk) 21:48, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Vasco tienes que volver (cógete un mes o varios de vacaciones), ¿qué haré yo con mi pésimo inglés sin ti?. Saludos y muchísimas gracias por todo --Mega60 (talk) 22:47, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Igor Denisov

Oi, tudo bem? I recently have been working on Igor Denisov's page, taking it from a stub to a full sized article. I nominated it for a good article nominee and was hoping that you had the time to review that nomination or would know someone else who would. Thanks for the help. até logo Rupert1904 (talk) 18:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Retirement - Reply

Hey, well I hope the option to come back wins out in the end. I will try to do my best on here and I will try to continue on from where you left off as well with the Portugese articles. Take care and hope you come back soon... at least for a small cameo appearance. Cheers. --Arsenalkid700 (talk) 04:45, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Não

Não sejas tão radical... Tira um wiki-break como eu to a fazer agora. Eu estou ha 2 meses sem quase editar, na boa, depois quando quiser volto. Faz assim tambem, não sejas tão radical. Qualquer coisa sempre me podes contactar pelo e-mail. Grande abraço! FkpCascais (talk) 04:48, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Iker Gabarain

Welcome back! I've moved the article. GiantSnowman 18:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Artur Irawan

Hi - it's never been deleted under that name, can you remember what name it was previously? GiantSnowman 21:17, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Good teamwork - I've deleted the new article and also SALTed it so it can't get re-created. GiantSnowman 21:36, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Welcome back

Glad to see you're back properly - I've restored your user page. Shame you're not going to be a member of WP:FOOTY any more, but if you need any help you know where I am. GiantSnowman 08:52, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira

It's not vandalism - he was removing unreferenced information. GiantSnowman 18:23, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Javi Martínez

Hello AL, I saw these changes in the Javi Martínez article, but I didn't really care about them. If the one with the wiki link is the correct one, I will try to keep an eye on it. --Jaellee (talk) 22:28, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

re: User:Creed7

Thanks for the heads up. I've taken both articles to afd here. Cheers. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:55, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

If Creed continues to create or re-create non-notable articles then eventually it will become a WP:COMPETENCE issue and he could get blocked. GiantSnowman 10:52, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox parameters

Hi, good to see you're still active around here. Just letting you know I partially reverted your recent edit at Marco Paixão, by readding the updated infobox parameters set out at Template:Infobox football biography#Usage. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:29, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi AL - as Struway says above, you need to check what your settings are with the bot. Failing that, manually archive like I do :) GiantSnowman 15:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, do what I do - copy and delete from your talk page, and then paste into your archive. GiantSnowman 17:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Always Learning. If you can't persuade the bot to archive, I think I know the reason. MiszaBot will not archive into a file location that it thinks is not allowed. You appear to be using a different user name in your archive instructions. See your User:MiszaBot/config template. Change "archive = User talk:VascoAmaral/Archive %(counter)d" to employ your correct user name and I guess that it should work. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Tito Vilanova

Bienvenido de nuevo. Tito Vilanova se retira en el año 2001 (la temporada 2001/02 como bien dice BDFutbol juega 3 partidos, el último el 23 de septiembre de 2001). Los datos de la temporada 2000/01 de momento son desconocidos, algún "iluminado" (por no llamarlo de otro modo) habrá decidido ponerle lo de los 68 partidos que seguro que es mentira (y muy grande).

Lo que sí está claro que se retira en 2001. Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 23:28, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Neste artigo, eu não adicionei nenhuma informação, apenas reverti uma que um usuário removeu a informação inserida pelo Mega60 (que o Tito treinou o Palafrugell). Pode ser que isso alterou outra coisa, que não percebi. Abraços.--Marcospace (talk) 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Please please please

...don't use edit summaries to comment on other users. Neither advertising the fact that another user is blocked nor telling another user that they're not welcome here is acceptable. Struway2 (talk) 16:27, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but if you really can't see why talking about another user being blocked isn't what edit summaries are for, then there's nothing I can say to explain it to you. Please ask GiantSnowman or some other editor whom you respect.

As to Timmy96, you may remember that he (or whichever IP address he was on at the time) was blocked in response to his "request", which was a long time ago; the block doesn't have to go on forever. Specifically re Timmy96's edit to Marco Paixão, there's a bit of copyvio/close paraphrase in the personal life which could happily be removed as trivia as well as copyvio, a bit of unsourced but probably correct and easily sourceable in the Hamilton section, and some useful additions with sources in Naft Tehran and Ethnikos Achna. Personally, I think he's improving. Struway2 (talk) 17:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

That message to Zombie433 on German WP about his edits being reverted on sight says he was the subject of a community ban, not a temporary block; there's a difference. Struway2 (talk) 17:45, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

José Rodríguez Martínez

Teóricamente está en la plantilla del Real Madrid C o en la del Real Madrid Juvenil (en el Real Madrid Castilla lleva el dorsal nº 26 que significa venir del equipo inferior) pero no ha jugado ningún partido en Segunda B.

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 10:42, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Valenciano

I've left him a message regarding the matter. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:08, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Honours + Vilanova

Regarding your recent edit at Pablo Hernández Domínguez, I'd like to point out I don't think there's anything wrong with the layout "Copa del Rey runner-up: 2007–08". Your argument is that the reader might mistakenly think all the text before the colon is part of the competition name, but I don't see that as likely. The layout "Copa del Rey: runner-up 2007–08" doesn't look right to me, I think there really ought to be a colon before the season. Do you think something like "Copa del Rey (runner-up): 2007–08" would be a suitable compromise option? Or is there an established format for this that's been discussed that I'm unaware of?

And regarding your Vilanova points (which I'd forgotten to repond to), I usually try to follow the format set out at Template:Cite news and Template:Cite web. Not that it matters, since the order we place the parameters in has no effect on how they appear in practice. Regaring Persondata, Wikipedia:Persondata#Name and titles states "The person's most commonly known name should be in the |NAME= field", so I would say you're correct by adding "Vilanova, Tito" in the NAME parameter. Regarding the ALTERNATIVE NAMES parameter, Wikipedia:Persondata#Alternative names says this is here "to list other common (usually international) forms of the person name, but not simply abbreviated versions of the full name". Therefore, I think adding just "Vilanova, Francesc" here is incorrect. Rather, as per the "full name" entry in the table dislayed at Wikipedia:Persondata#Alternative names, I think this is the correct place to add his full name ("Vilanova i Bayó, Francesc"). Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 19:47, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Vaya lío!

Pues la verdad es que sí hay lío. El equipo en el que jugaron en aquellos momentos se llamaba Atlético Celaya → http://hemeroteca.mundodeportivo.com/preview/1995/08/11/pagina-21/1311798/pdf.html y la página de la Wikipedia (en español) → http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atl%C3%A9tico_Celaya explica muy bien su historia.

El Celaya FC actual no tiene nada que ver con el que jugaron los futbolistas españoles. Así que todos los enlaces deben ir al Atlético Celaya.

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 16:03, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Más cosas, en el artículo del Club Celaya veo que hay un apartado Atletico Celaya era (1994-2004), parece que se intenta hacer ver que son el mismo equipo...

Si se consideran el mismo equipo los enlaces irán al Club Celaya (es un artículo más "presentable"), la decisión está en tus dedos. Otra vez saludos --Mega60 (talk) 16:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Retirada

Folgo em saber que vais continuar. As minhas desculpas por só responder agora mas tenho estado bastante atarefado e não tenho tido tempo para nada.

Cumprimentos!

• De nada. Obrigado e votos de um bom fim de semana! Um abraço de Viseu! P3DRO (talk) 18:06, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Miguel Rosa

Saudações caro Vasco.

Por acaso não fui eu que te enviou essa mensagem mas não há problema. Confesso que tive a sensação que estava a fazer overdetail, o meu objectivo era tirar as referências da secção dos títulos, pois jogadores como Messi ou Cristiano, não têm as referências nessa secção. Mas também compreendo que a info sobre eles é muito maior e não se torna tão repetitivo. Peço desculpa pelos erros e obrigado pela edição/correcção.

• Confesso que, como adepto do Benfica gostei da vitória, mas a questão dos portugueses é lamentável e já não é de agora. Também eu gostava de ver mais portugueses na equipa, e no campeonato em geral.

Cumprimentos! P3DRO (talk) 02:13, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

User page

No problem, done. Hut 8.5 10:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Reply

Hi AL - the English IP isn't currenttly active, so nothing to do, but let me know if/when he re-appears. Regarding the Colombian IP, I suggest using WP:SPI? GiantSnowman 08:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I 99% promise you that those two IPs are the same editor. GiantSnowman 08:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

If the same IP range is harassing you we can look into a WP:RANGEBLOCK. Regarding the Nachos, I think they are fine where they are now as they appear to be at their WP:COMMONNAME. We could create a Nacho (footballer) as a disambiguation page? GiantSnowman 16:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

There is no point block an inactive IP as they change so frequently, they need to be caught ASAP. I always put 'Spanish former foorballer' rather than 'former Spanish footballer' - after all, they're still Spanish! GiantSnowman 22:35, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Capi (footballer born 1977)

Prada / http://cargos.axesor.es/cargo/Capitan-Prada-Jesus/2607982 / http://actas.rfef.es/actas/RFEF_CmpActa1?cod_primaria=1000144&CodActa=15435

(Una intervención corta) Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Lo quité en un artículo (solamente en uno creo recordar) porque vi esto → http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sergio_Santamar%C3%ADa&diff=526803153&oldid=526787469 pero no he seguido con ello.

Otra vez saludos --Mega60 (talk) 21:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Atletico de Madrid B

Apologies my friend, only just seen your messages concerning this topic. Somebody has completely messed up the squad with a bunch of fake players, I'll fix it asap! --82.32.214.23 (talk) 01:38, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira

Hi AL - thanks for the heads up, I have issued a final warning and added the article to my watchlist. GiantSnowman 15:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Categorías

Claro que te ayudaré pero estos días no, ahora estoy con los entrenadores en Segunda B para BDFutbol y con los jugadores del Barcelona C (partidos y goles). Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 15:52, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

En mi opinión la categoría REAL MADRID C.F. PLAYERS se la merecen los que han jugado alguna vez con el primer equipo (NO los que solamente han jugado con los filiales B o C), es lo que pasa con los demás equipos. Los jugadores del Real Madrid B o Real Madrid C ya tienen sus categorías (igualmente que por ejemplo los jugadores del Barcelona, Barcelona Atlètic o Barcelona C). Un caso como otros muchos: Javier Velayos NO debería tener la categoría REAL MADRID C.F. PLAYERS (sí las otras dos).

Saludos de nuevo --Mega60 (talk) 16:11, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Trabajo completado, hasta la próxima --Mega60 (talk) 17:57, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Igor Denisov

Thanks for checking up on me and I hope all is well. As of yet, no luck with the Igor Denisov page but I've been recently working on making Ruben Schaken and Miguel Danny's pages into Good Articles. Have you ever utilized a good website, other than his club's player bios, for good personal information? Like early life and family stuff? Cheers. Rupert1904 (talk) 18:18, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again. I just found a good reference and added a little bit more to Danny's career at Dynamo. And I know some Portuguese, so I wouldn't be totally lost. Haha but I may have to show some friends and get them to translate it for me. Cheers! Rupert1904 (talk) 23:29, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Jon Pascua

Hi AL, glad you stayed if you ever leave it should be for the right reasons not because of trolls. As for Jon Pascua if he only played in the Segunda División B & lower he fails WP:NFOOTY as a player. As for his coaching career although he is a goalkeeping coach at a full professional side that doesn't infer notability as WP:NFOOTY doesn't refer to goalkeeping coaches, therefore he must pass WP:GNG which isn't demonstrated in the article, I suggest you PROD. Regards ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 20:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok I completed, it may has been better to PROD but as you already attempted to AfD, I couldn't. Although an AfD may have been preferable as it maybe controversial. ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 21:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Teleco

Oi, tudo bem? I just created a page for Corinthians former player Teleco. Still working on it, it would be great if you could help me work on the page, edit all the kinks, or add some Portuguese language references to the page to expand it. Thanks for the help mate! Rupert1904 (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

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Encyclopedic tone

No, thrice isn't the same as twice. See wikt:thrice#Usage notes. Netted is a tabloidy alternative to scored, but "netted a hat-trick" doesn't sound right, so given I was removing the thrice I had to change the verb. Avoiding repetitiveness is good, but not if it's done by introducing unnatural usages. hope this helps, Struway2 (talk) 08:31, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Zenit

Just saw this article on ESPN - http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/id/1267960/zenit-fans'-group:-don't-sign-black-players?cc=5901. Do you think it's worthy of inclusion in the controversies section of Igor Denisov, just to say something along the lines of - "Zenit's largest ultra group, the Landscrona, echoed Denisov's opinion of only signing Russian players..." Cheers Rupert1904 (talk) 15:48, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Darul Takzim FC

I missed the page move, thanks for the heads up, I've moved it back. GiantSnowman 16:39, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Graziano Pellè

See WP:YOUTUBE for advice on using that website; personally I do not like them but they can be useful. Where have you attempted to discuss this with the other user? GiantSnowman 17:17, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

But you don't know they won't reply unless you attempt it? GiantSnowman 18:57, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Roberto de Sousa Rezende

I've removed the entire section as unreferenced. If you have reliable sources for any/all stats then please let me know and I will re-add a proper table (i.e. not with that horrible template). GiantSnowman 16:20, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

The template on the player article was a redirect; I have now fixed it so he is bold. GiantSnowman 16:57, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Jordi Roura

What is your reasoning for reverting my edit? La Fuzion (K lo K) 20:18, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Good day or night. La Fuzion (K lo K) 20:56, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

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Miguel Ángel Lozano / BDFutbol

Ya están anotadas las novedades en Miguel Ángel Lozano. En cuanto a BDFutbol hasta que el "jefe" no haga una actualización (suelen hacerse cada dos o tres meses) continua con los datos del 2 de noviembre.

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 14:47, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

RE: David Moreno Estívariz

It is eligible for PROD, articles shouldn't be AfD'd where they meet proposed deletion criteria, would you like me to PROD it for you? ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:44, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 16:49, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Iván Alonso

I've left the IP a warning for deleting content. GiantSnowman 09:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Season Greetings

	Le gach dea-ghui i gcomhair na nollag agus na h-ath bhliana! "With Best Wishes for Christmas and the New Year!" ★☆ DUCKISJAMMMY☆★ 01:12, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, and season's greetings to yourself. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:08, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Hélder Postiga

Hi Vasco, I'm a little confused by your recent revert at Hélder Postiga. We discussed the naming conventions of English clubs earlier this year and I believe we agreed it was correct to include the full title, e.g. 'Tottenham Hotspur' rather than just 'Tottenham', in the infobox, on its first instance in the prose and in section headings. Season's greetings, Mattythewhite (talk) 00:27, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Disagree, I'm afraid; if you take a swift look through Category:Tottenham Hotspur F.C. players I'd be surprised if you found any articles that include only 'Tottenham' in the infobox, other than in Postiga's. It's established practice for English football biographies to include the full team title in the infobox and section headings, and I'm not sure why it'd be any different for a Portuguese player. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 01:10, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Orlandi BarcaB

I agree with the Compremise this seems to be the correct layout ect. Thanks for informing me. Merry Christmas - Atban3000 Atban3000 (talk) 14:40, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Concordo com o compremise este parece ser o ect layout correto. Obrigado por me informar. Feliz Natal - Atban3000 ~ ~ ~ ~

Miguel Marcos Madera

Didn't think your various changes (not just the recent set) made any improvement to the standard of English used in the article. Sorry. Struway2 (talk) 18:21, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Michu

All you have to do with vandalism is revert, warn, and go to AIV if it repeats. You shiuld not get so upset/angry about it. GiantSnowman 19:36, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Cheers, or not...

Not actually true, and as such, I think you read too much into things. I wouldn't mind if you didn't ask me to explain myself each and every time I attempt a copyedit of any of your words, but other than that, you haven't particularly "antagonized" me personally. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 21:15, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Banana Fingers

I've warned him. If he does it again let me know and I'll block - there's no need for that kind of incivility. GiantSnowman 12:04, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

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Daniel Carriço

Happy New Year! Yes, those are relevant links. GiantSnowman 09:06, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Jonkoleta

Blocking is intended to stop bad behaviour as opposed to punishing it. I'm afraid I cannot justify blocking him. I will leave him a note so that if he does return & vandalise, he will be blocked then. Regards, GiantSnowman 16:25, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I know it's hard but we should AGF as much as we can. If he re-appears let me know and I'll take appropriate action. GiantSnowman 16:50, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Re:drenthe - voila. GiantSnowman 16:54, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

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Hey Vasco

Hey Vasco, bom ano! Olha, uma pergunta, conheces algum jogador "obscuro" que tenha jogado em vários clubes/países? algo parecido com o Abel Xavier. Se souberes diz-me algo, obrigado! --Hydao (talk) 14:19, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) A ver se encontro mais algum por aqui. Abraço. --Hydao (talk) 18:49, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Opa, lol, conhecias este "maluco" Lutz Pfannenstiel? o/ --Hydao (talk) 20:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Timmy96

Hello. I don't think what you wrote on his talk page was rude. But, and only since you ask, I do think these edit summaries were a bit unnecessary. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 16:06, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Rollback his edit, then apparently grudgingly "Alright reinstated you" put most of it back, "with better refs, not links posing as such"... What's a "link posing as a ref"? Struway2 (talk) 16:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

In principle, I too prefer a more illustrative report than a bare sheet of match details. But we need to take into account accessibility (language) and reliability (see WP:RS) as well. For information, Soccerway is a reliable source in the Wikipedia sense, because it's the product of Global Sports Media, a recognised and reputable media organisation, whereas the content of sites like Transfermarkt and Zerozero is user-generated without any explanation of editorial oversight so not reliable in the WP sense.

In this case, neither the Soccerway match details nor the Zerozero match report says any more than Marco Paixao scored in the whateverth minute, and neither verifies the significant fact in the sentence, i.e. that it was his first goal for the club. If the Zerozero report did verify that, it'd probably justify using an unreliable source written by a random person in a language most readers of the English Wikipedia won't understand, but it doesn't.

Please don't interpret this as 'Struway says I've got to change it' or 'Struway's telling me I'm wrong again'. I'm just trying to get you to think about what references are actually for, rather than just what they look like. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 09:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Cardozo

Sim, eu sei inglês... Apenas achei que ficava melhor com uma linguagem mais clara/simples. BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk)

OK.

Penso que os golos do Cardozo na(s) fase(s) de qualificação para a Liga dos Campeões e/ou Liga Europa não estão incluídos nas estatísticas... BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 19:24, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Igualmente. :) BenficaNNossaPaixao (talk) 15:00, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Marat Izmailov

I've added to my watchlist and will continue to monitor. GiantSnowman 09:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Sporting Template

Caro AL, antes de mais deixe-me desejar-lhe um bom ano novo!

Percebo a sua dúvida, penso que a alteração no caso do Eric Dier até terá sido feita por mim, e tem uma razão de ser: além de ser o nome que ele usa nas costas (mas não vou entrar por aí, visto que já discutimos isso uma vez e chegámos a um acordo de cavalheiros), é o nome pelo qual é tratado pelos seus colegas e amigos na Academia (e não só na Academia, não o conheço pessoalmente mas sou amigo de amigos dele) desde que chegou a Portugal com os pais em tempos do Euro 2004, já que o apelido Dier e a sua correcta pronúncia era um assunto complicado para os putos seus colegas na altura! Quanto ao Fabián Rinaudo, também em campo é tratado por Fito pelos colegas, assim como por muitos adeptos na bancada (onde eu me incluo), e já o era na Argentina (pode confirmar aqui: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAGuN58X-m8), pelo que se aceita.

Relativamente à vinda do Hugo Ventura, por empréstimo de 6 meses, pode ter uma explicação: fala-se num empréstimo do Marcelo até final da época, pelo que seria necessário um suplente; no final da época, o Rui será vendido e o Marcelo vem com rodagem suficiente para assumir a titularidade; entretanto se o Ventura não ficar, parece que o clube tem opção sobre outro jogador do FC Porto. Mas isso já me parece uma gestão demasiado bem pensada para um presidente que parece andar completamente à nora!

Saudações RRR22 (talk) 16:16, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Tens razão, estava na dúvida se nos tratávamos por tu ou não, joguei pelo seguro! Sim, não tem complicação nenhuma a pronúncia do apelido. Mas foi quando ele veio ainda puto para cá, e os colegas começaram a tratá-lo por Eric e assim ficou até hoje. Ele até numa entrevista recente ao jornal 'Sporting' explicou a correcta pronúncia do seu apelido para que não restassem dúvidas!

Abraços RRR22 (talk) 16:39, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Carlos Iturraspe

He estado buscando... y nada de nada. En cuanto a los templates yo los coloco por orden de antigüedad como entrenador (para mí es más lógico)

Saludos --Mega60 (talk) 19:12, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

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Norwegian vandal

AL - I think that the Moldovan IP is the same as Agirretxe (talk · contribs), but all 3 are definitely vandals! GiantSnowman 19:23, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Further evidence the Moldovan IP and account are the same - but not yet vandalising. GiantSnowman 15:08, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

I've blocked the account for 1 week, also auto-blocked any IPs he is using - let's see if ours IP escape it...GiantSnowman 16:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Small favour

Hi Vasco, could you do me a small favour if you don't mind? I've given Marcospace (talk · contribs) a couple of warnings on his talk page regarding unsourced additions (his edits were factually accurate, but regardless of correctness a reliable source should have been provided too). Since giving him these warnings he has proceeded to add unsourced at Cesc Fàbregas, despite me trying to explain to him that sources need to accompany content. As you have been in regular contact with Marcospace, I was wondering if you'd mind explaining to him the important of providing references, seeing as he seems intent on ignoring my advice? Would be greatly appreciated. Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 23:25, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Oi meu caro. Tudo bem, já entendi a questão. No caso do Fábregas, como é citado acima. Mas no caso do Petrov já estava em tudo que é site na internet, inclusive na página oficial do Espanyol. O nosso amigo poderia ter conferido antes de sair revertendo. Enfim, vou procurar citar as tais fontes. Grande abraço é ótimo 2013- --Marcospace (talk) 15 January 2013 (UTC)

English Wikipedia

Please note that this is the English language Wikipedia, and all contributions should be in English, so that all members of the community can understand them. It is a mistake to think that messages posted to user talk pages are private conversations, and that other editors don't need to be able to understand them. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:38, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

Sim, na verdade alguns são meio neuróticos com essa história de overlinks. Como você disse, eles que sabem.(tradução:Yes, in fact some are neurotic middle overlinks with this story. As you said, they know best.)

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Resposta

"2 - um pedido: como é que consegues arranjar referências do dito RECORD tão antigas? Eu vejo-me todo atrapalhado para arranjar coisas de 2011 às vezes..."

Boas compatriota, é muito facil mesmo, baste ires ao motor de busca do site, colocar o nome do que tu queres procurar e estão la as noticias todas é só colocares a data que queres, acho que o arquivo tem noticias de 1999 até ao presente! 10cents (talk) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the nice message - you have a good one too!

Cheers DBaK (talk) 15:58, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Rui

Crystal Palace should be both Youth AND Senior, as he also joined the youth system and is a CPFC Graduate, as for the table i'll look into it and sort it out, thanks -- 82.43.51.8 (talk) 18:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Domingos

Ás vezes é do vicio, foi uma edição pontual por esquecimento. Secretaria (talk) 00:30, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Yohan Tavares

I understand your edits, but most of the citations are in Portugese and one in French, for English wiki it is best for English citations. That's if you can find them! I do have a few questions; regarding his transfer, [3] It clearly says his minimum release clause is 2 mil, however it doesn't confirm what he actually went for so maybe that should be said in the article. Also, "he returned to the land of his ancestors" ? Not sure that's needed!

Le Mens B play in the 4th devision in France, he was trained through the Le Mens youth acedemy so that should be noted. He really could have a seperate section for Le Mens, and I am sure Beira-Mar could be expanded. Govvy (talk) 11:27, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

Re: Proposition

Hi Vasco, how are you? Hope all is well. I don't necessarily agree with your opinion. The fact that most players don't play for the NT is more of an indication for me of how important playing for the NT is. So personally it makes more sense to list national team templates first. However, I don't think there is any consensus of which to list first. I'll take it up with WP:FOOTY and see what the others think on the matter. Anyways, take care and feel free to drop by the project page every now and then, mellow or not :D. TonyStarks (talk) 04:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Tuni (footballer)

AL, I've restored the maintenance tags here as they are valid - the article relies too much on external links as opposed to in-line cites. GiantSnowman 16:48, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Lots of stuff in the main body relies on information sourced from external links; it is always preferable for it to be referenced directly. GiantSnowman 17:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Correct - for example if you say 'Fernandez played 30 games in the 2006-07 season, scoring 10 goals', then you can cite the bdfutbol link directly there. GiantSnowman 21:00, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

That's probably preferable - but if no news can be found then it's better to use the stats database. GiantSnowman 21:06, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira

Yes, very odd - I have blocked the IP. If they return, I will consider a longer block, and perhaps page protection. GiantSnowman 16:08, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Full names

Hi AL - simply revert, warn, and report if they continue. GiantSnowman 21:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Diego López Rodríguez

Hmm, genuinely no idea - very strange! Will take a closer look in a while. GiantSnowman 09:28, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

João Carlos Pereira

Looks much better! GiantSnowman 17:05, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Mincinicopschi

I've reverted and warned, clearly trolling. GiantSnowman 19:26, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

Benfica

Fiz tudo correto. Não sei para que estás a chatear. Tu queres que as pessoas façam tudo à tua maneira? 85.240.149.58 (talk) 16:26, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Vai lá fazer queixinhas. Enquanto eu estou a contribuir tu estás a fazer-me perder tempo com idiotices. 85.240.149.58 (talk) 16:36, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Não é preciso vitimizares-te. sou INSULTADO, é o que dá a coragem via internet 1º: Não te insultei; 2º: Isso é uma ameaça? 85.240.149.58 (talk) 16:43, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Se a mim não me interessa o S.C. Braga porque hei-de ser forçado a editar o que não quero? Se estás incomodado editas tu o "S.C. Braga" e não revertes as minhas edições. 85.240.149.58 (talk) 16:45, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Os empréstimos já estão definidos em baixo! Percebe isso e pára de vandalizar as páginas com reversões. 85.240.149.58 (talk) 16:49, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Eu até queria estar de acordo contigo mas, se o clube é conhecido pela maioria como "Benfica" e quase ninguém diz ou escreve "S.L. Benfica", por que tem de se escrever como tu queres? Se é a pensar no nome completo é mais útil escrever "Sport Lisboa e Benfica" que, por sua vez, é raramente utilizado fora de Portugal. 85.240.149.58 (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

Está bem... Não é preciso ficares exaltado. 85.240.149.58 (talk) 20:05, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

English

This talk page is almost entirely not in English. That goes against Wikipedia's guidelines (see WP:SPEAKENGLISH). Please enforce the guideline.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Bbb23, please AGF. Always Learning is a near-fluent speaker of English, but deals with a lot of editors who speak only Spanish or Portuguese. Therefore speaking in those language is the only way they are able to communicate. GiantSnowman 09:43, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Actually, I came across AL's talk page because they left a message in a foreign language on another user's talk page. Interestingly enough, User:JamesBWatson left a message on that user's page about the English guideline, which the other user deleted. I should also add that it's puzzling to me how we can have editors who can "only" communicate in a foreign language - how do they edit articles? I realize that sometimes editors can contribute constructively to Wikipedia and yet not be fluent in English, but they should be able to communicate in English, and they should at least be encouraged to do so.

AL left a very polite note on my talk page in response to my post above (probably politer than I deserved as I reread my initial post above, which is a bit tone-deaf). My suggestion is that even when someone posts in Spanish or Portuguese on AL's talk page, that they respond in English (I think my original suggestion to "enforce" the guideline went too far), and if the other editor has trouble, AL can then translate into the foreign language. In all fairness, AL, SPEAKENGLISH is just a guideline, so you can choose whether to follow it or how much to follow it.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:02, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

• Thanks for your understanding and/or support folks. --AL (talk) 20:52, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Javier Patiño

Not enough recent disruption for protection, but I've added to my watchlist and will monitor. Thanks for the heads up. GiantSnowman 09:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Henrique Calisto

Could be a relative, could be a fan (imagine if your user name was 'Vasco Messi' or similar...) - simply revert, warn, and report. GiantSnowman 20:25, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

No problems, feel free to notify me if it happens again. GiantSnowman 20:58, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Categories.

I have always listed them in order of appearance (so if someone played in the second division before the first then I'd list it so) but I will bear it in mind if I add them to more players who have appeared in Portuguese leagues. Regards. Argyle 4 Life^talk 20:39, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

CD Numancia B

Why does Diego de Miguel's article say he plays for CD Izarra? RNealK (talk) 23:20, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, I didn't understand. Thanks for clearing it up. RNealK (talk) 23:40, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Hello

		The Friendship Barnstar
		Nice to meet you. ```Buster Seven Talk 07:21, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Ajuda

Oi V, B aqui. Preciso de sua ajuda. Fiz uma série de edições em Ronaldo, como arrumando o direcionamento de alguns clubes, como Internazionale e o Cruzeiro, além de colocar apenas os jogos da liga no infobox. Entretanto, um usuário - que de futebol parece que só edita ele - vai lá e reverte, dizendo que os nomes foram definidos em consenso. Tipo, mas ele reverte tudo. Você pode olhar lá? Tenho certeza que concordará com as minhas edições. Desde já, obrigado.

Na verdade, aquele é único artigo aonde vejo a denominação Inter Milan e AC Milan. Aliás, AC Milan até o infobox, o que era consenso de que não seria usado. Mas o cara em questão é uma espécie de PJ lá, então deixa do jeito dele e pronto. Apenas pedi tua ajuda, pois revertia tudo sem olhar, mas o problema já foi corrigido. Obrigado e até a próxima. PS: E desculpa não responder antes, mas as coisas andam novamente corridas.

V, ficou muito legal. Melhor organizado e mais fácil de visualizar e entender. Apenas uma questão: Edgar Ié é de Portugal (sua terra) ou Guinea-Bissau, como colocou? Ele não joga pelas seleções de base de Portugal? Saudações e abraço.

Obrigado pelo esclarecimento. Realmente, essa situação de naturalizações é complexa. Acho que a Fifa deveria restringir um pouco isso. Por exemplo, só deixar naturalizações se o jogador foi morar ainda criança no país ou os pais são nascidos no país em questão. Senão fica seleções de 'aluguel'. E bem observado: os três 'portugueses' na verdade não são nascidos no teu país. Abraço, amigo. Marcospace (talk) 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Paulo Sérgio Bento Brito

Because CFR declared they never wanted Sérgio Conceição. Marcu34 (talk) 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Obrigado

Olha V, nem sei o que dizer. Apenas obrigado. Não entendi muito a discussão sobre Deus, mas como você disse, foda-se a situação. Estou cansado de tentar ajeitar algumas coisas e topar com caras teimosos. O tal Walter é do mesmo tipo do PJ. Então foda-se se ficar errada a informação. O Mascherano atua a mais de dois anos somente como zagueiro. Eu e você sabemos disso. Se o babaca não acredita, foda-se então. Quanto ao Abidal, "French league" é terrivelmente horrível. "France" também não era muito bom, por isso alterei pelo que tava agora.

Se aceita um conselho, não vale a pena (como dizemos no Brasil) ficar muito irritado com situações no WP. Ligue o foda-se. No mais, fica bem. E, novamente, obrigado pela(s) ajuda(s). Marcospace (talk) 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Ulof 4

Adiós Vasco, la verdad es que te extrañaré, me has enseñado demasiado en Wikipedia, y el casi año en el que colaboré contigo ha sido fantastico. La verdad me pone muy triste esta noticia, tenía planeado retomar contacto para hacer un par de artículos, pero me parece muy cordial de tu parte avisarme acerca de tu despedida, cuando quería declarar mi equivocación en el caso Pablo Contreras–Víctor Hugo Ávalos que fueron parte de un distanciamiento de cinco meses casi.

Bueno Vasco Amaral, lo que me pone más triste aún, es que no tendré ninguna otra red social para contactarme al menos contigo por alguna duda o algo por el estilo, ya que me has declarado que eres de la vieja escuela y eso. Dejando un poco más abierto mi comunicado, podrías por favor darme tus razones y los futuros contactos, me serviría de harto.

• Atte. tu amigo Ulof4 desde Santiago de Chile, 18:21 (UTC).

Até logo

Vasco, não vou dizer adeus, mas até logo. Espero que você "descanse" um pouco e retorne em breve. No mais, meus sinceros agradecimentos por toda(s) a(s) ajuda(s) que você me prestou nestes três anos. E, por mim, não há nada de magoa. Fique com Deus e até. Grande abraço, meu amigo. Marcospace (talk) 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Oi

Hey, não estou de mal com você, relaxa! Desculpa não respondê-lo antes. Quanto ao caso do Ramón Maso, o Mega tinha colocado outra província... e eu alterei para Girona, mas me confundi e escrevi apenas Girona, e não Província de Girona, então ele corretamente corrigiu. Mas no início ele havia se equivocado, já que Olot fica na Província de Girona. Agora já está tudo certo.

Quanto ao Walter, esse cara é bem "chatinho" as vezes. Tentei explicar a situação do Marc Muniesa, mas ele não entendeu (ou não quis entender). Você sabe como é... Então deixa assim: fica a informação errada para contentar o cara. O Muniesa não está inscrito na Liga Espanhola e nem na Liga dos Campeões... por isso, ele está sem numeração. Agora não sei porque cargas d'água colocaram ele com o número 26 no site oficial, afinal jogador do time principal usa número de 1 a 25 (você conhece as regras) e ele nem está inscrito no time B, portanto é jogador do time A. Aliás, esse site oficial é uma porcaria, há vários erros de informação, mas por ser "oficial", os caras se baseiam nele, igual na posição do Javier Mascherano. Enfim, nós sabemos que estamos certos, mas sempre há um imbecil que não conhece a informação correta, mas acha que sabe tudo.

PS: Fiquei muito feliz com sua não aposentadoria. De verdade!

Marcospacetalk 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Primos

Oi V. Não sei se sabia (eu não) que o Thiago Alcântara e o Rafinha são primos do Rodrigo. Aqui está a notícia (http://www.marca.com/2012/12/05/futbol/equipos/barcelona/1354710437.html). Acho interessante que a informação seja inserida nos perfis deles. Se você puder fazer, agradeço. Abraço.

Muito bem, vi as alterações e ficaram bem legais. Copiei e colei no Thiago, na verdade não precisa mudar nenhuma letra. Em relação a nacionalidade do Rafinha, pode ficar só Brasil mesmo. Como você disse, que confusão. Vou alterar também lá no perfil do Barcelona B, pois aparece como Espanhol. Em relação ao Benfica não jogar com nenhum Português, é uma vergonha mesmo. A UEFA precisava baixar uma medida proibindo isso. O Barcelona, as vezes, chega a atuar com dez Espanhóis. Tchau!

Por mim é indiferente, apenas corrigi o nome do filho, já que a informação estava lá. Do mesmo modo, feliz natal e boas festas. Ótimo 2013!- -Marcospacetalk 23 December 2012 (UTC)

HONOURS

Sorry for not replying the last time... I was just so busy and I didn't have time for it. And after I just forgot. Regarding the things you've said... look, I mean, I think it's totaly unnecessary to write the runner-up positions and I still don't understand even if let's say Rooney has won only 1 Champions League, why wouldn't I write that down as 1? It doesnt make it look poor. I mean, that's the whole point of wiki, I go to the page, I look how many Leagues has he won (regardless of the number) and voila... Regards man ; ) Hahahel 16:42, 17 December 2012.

• Hey man :) ..well, regarding "1.)" you have a point. And I agree with you. And what are you sayoing about "2.)"? That if Rooney has one Champions League trophy then ther's no point of (1) but if he has two then it should stand (2)... ? Regards man Hahahel 18:33, 17 December 2012.
• Have a great week to my friend. ; ) Regards Hahahel 18:39, 17 December 2012.

Hi

Happy new year to you too, Vasco! Marcu34 08:05, 13 January 2013.

Resposta

Já ia te responder, mas então entrei em algumas edições e acabou passando. Realmente me lembro de já termos abordado esse assunto. Eu tinha entendido (posso estar errado) que no plantel do clube constaria o nome completo (ex: Adriano Correia) para diferenciar, com exceção dos apelidos (ex: Rafinha, Isco, etc). Já na história dos jogadores então sim só o nome como é conhecido. Para ser sincero, para mim é um tanto irrelevante isso - faço apenas para manter um padrão, assim como você também aborda. Sendo assim, não vou mais alterar esse assunto. Apenas no 'nosso' Barcelona, peço que deixes como está. Pode ser?

Aproveitando a mensagem, fiz uma série de melhorias no Diego Lugano. Quando possível, poderia ver se está tudo certo no inglês? Não precisa editar nada, apenas dar uma 'revisada'. Desde já, obrigado. Abraços.

Não tinha visto que você tinha alterado o 'on' loan. Peço desculpas. Quanto ao overlink, também acho uma babaquice, mas o cara alemão estava pegando muito no meu pé, então resolvi mostrar que tinha entendido isso. E funcionou, pois ele parou de me perseguir. Mas alterei somente os jogadores do Barcelona, os outros, como você deve ter reparado, não mexi. Saudades.- --Marcospace (talk) 31 January 2013 (UTC)

2005 Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira

Hi Vasco,

I recently created the 2005 Supertaça Cândido de Oliveira article and I needed some help creating the kits. Do you know anyone who could help me.

Thanks

User talk:Alexgreene87, 28 January 2013 19:40 UTC

Adrià Carmona

Oi Vasco. Criei a página do Adrià Carmona, agora que ele é um jogador de primeira divisão. Inseri uma breve história e alguns links. Quando tiver um tempinho, e se quiser, é claro, pode dar uma revisada e ampliada no artigo. Foi difícil achar informações, portanto algumas podem estar erradas. Veja o que pode fazer para melhorar. Pelo que li, sua posição principal é left winger, podendo ele jogar também como meia atacante. Desde já, obrigado pela ajuda.

Muito bom, obrigado pela ajuda. Concordo com as tuas considerações. Creio que ele deva jogar. E vamos rezar para que nenhum 'chato' queira atrapalhar a edição. Marcospace (talk) 1 February 2013 (UTC)

James Rodríguez

Hi Vasco,

Is it possible to look over the James Rodríguez (footballer) page. Some of the links are irrelevant and it cites bias. I have added the {{POV}} template to it.

User talk:Alexgreene87 12 February 2013 15:19 UTC

ANI discussion related to AFCShandong

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#AFCShandong regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Resposta

Oi amigo, não respondi antes porque não quero confusões. Quanto mais desapercebido eu passar, melhor. Desculpa se você se ofendeu com isso.

Coitado no nosso amigo Puyol: mais uma cirurgia de joelho (a sexta). Aliás, quando sobrar um tempo, você poderia colocar algo a mais na biografia dele. Aqui tem um bom resumo de sua saga nos últimos anos: http://sport.es/es/noticias/barca/carles-puyol-cuando-quirofano-salon-casa-2423889

Fica bem, abraço.

Até podemos conversar, apenas espero não ser bloqueado, afinal não sou um vândalo. Mas sequer deixam eu me explicar. E obrigado por sempre me apoiar. Abraço.

Apenas para alertar que tem um figura adicionando uma monte de informações desnecessárias no artigo Marc Muniesa, que você editou muito bem. Abraço. Uruguayriver 6 July 2013 (UTC)

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Template:S.L. Benfica squad

Greetings!

Why is S.Vitória wrong and Vitória right? If we also have written "A.Almeida, M.Pereira, A.Gomes" etc, why can't we have S.Vitória?

Where's the wikipedia rule that defines this?

Cheers, Scofield 20

Boa noite,

Podemos falar em PT se preferir. Percebo o seu ponto de vista, creio que inspirado no modelo inglês, mas não posso deixar de achar estranho. Ninguém o chama por "Vitória". Os colegas do Estoril provavelmente chamam "Steven" e para o público e imprensa geral "Steven Vitória". Aliás tendo em conta o contexto do Benfica, "Vitória" lembra a águia, e não o jogador.

Os melhores cumprimentos, Scofield 20

Boas,

Tratemo-nos por "tu", então. Eu apenas fiz isso porque há outros utilizadores (não sei se estás incluído) que designam os números dos novos jogadores, mas como nunca apresentam fontes, inicialmente eu alterava para TBA. Como mais tarde alteravam para o numero novamente, decidi pôr assim, para ser compatível com as duas hipoteses.

Cumprimentos, Scofield 20

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Francisco Stromp Player of the Year

Hello Vasco,

Is it possible for me to create a page called Francisco Stromp Player of the Year. This is an annual award given to the player of the year of Sporting CP. It was first awarded in 1992. I have all the information on all the winners and I will add references.

Can I also create a template with the winners of the award as I have seen many other articles of different clubs with templates for winners of their players of the year.

User talk:Alexgreene87, 9 July 2013, 14:20 UTC

-Arsenal F.C.#Player of the Year, Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year, Template:Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year are the examples I am talking about.

User talk:Alexgreene87, 9 July 2013, 15:58 UTC

Real Betis

Like Real Madrid,Real Zaragoza the team is Real Betis not Betis..
DebTheGangulian (talk) 04:26, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Request

Please stop removing the word 'Catalonia' in the storyline of some players. Thanks. Gringoladomenega (talk) 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Location of Template:Use dmy dates

Hi, I'm curious as to why you move the Use dmy dates template from the top of the page to underneath the DEFAULTSORT, with an additional space, like here? They're automatically added to the top of the page and they seem to live happily there... Cheers, Mattythewhite (talk) 13:54, 1 August 2013 (UTC)