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Whitechapel code

Hi there! Take a quick look at the national rail site. Perhaps it is an error, but the current code for Whitechapel is definitely ZLW. Bizarre. Thanks! tractakid (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Infobox Greek constituency

could you copy-and-paste the last deleted revision of Template:Infobox Greek constituency to User:Frietjes/g? you can put it inside comment tags or whatever, and I will have it deleted within 24 hours. the editor who orphaned it screwed up the maps, and I need to see the old syntax to determine if they were properly fixed. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

@Frietjes: OK,  Done --Redrose64 (talk) 23:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

thank you! all cleaned up. Frietjes (talk) 00:23, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Talkback, Crossrail

{{talkback|Likelife}}

Likelife (talk) 08:05, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Hi Redrose, I've replied Likelife (talk) 08:33, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks for editing this protected page! ElKevbo (talk) 22:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Coventry

I intend to attend my friend. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 02:51, 29 March 2014 (UTC).

Substituting complex templates

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		Many thanks for your support to minority languages; absolutely brilliant! Diolch yn fawr! Llywelyn2000 (talk) 20:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you --Redrose64 (talk) 20:55, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

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Not my fault. All I did was revert vandalism - if the pre-vandalised page had a link to a dab page, I didn't put it there. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:59, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

And I see that the true perp had been warned three months ago. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:06, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Betty Boothroyd

Sorry, don't understand how that happened. I selected to have the talk page moved as well. Then didn't notice that it didn't happen! Thank you for fixing my mistake. Julia\^talk 16:56, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

Blank lines in talk page discussions

Please don't delete blank lines between talk page posts. This goes against Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Good_practices_for_all_talk_pages_used_for_collaboration: Keep the layout clear.

Thank you for providing me with some links so i can catch up on previous discussions. However, they show that i am indeed not a singular case considering that:

• Discussions are not lists;
• Nor are they definitions -- those need a semicolon for the term being defined;
• MOS applies to "Article space only unless explicit" -- this bit has been repeated quite a lot on the RfC you provided.
• Better too much separation, than none at all.

^ THIS ^ was a list. Notice that i haven't ever added a line break between items of such lists. Even more obvious is the fact that adding line breaks within numbered lists breaks their flow, so presumably that case is even more rare. It's still not found on the talk page we're disagreeing on.

Also, i'm interested to see where did you get the idea that "MOS:ACCESS applies to all namespaces, not just articles." It specifically talks about "article structure", and other sections start with "In articles" or "in Wikipedia articles". The only bit that mentions talk pages is about indentation.

As for Under Indentation, the same page states Blank lines should not be used between indented lines as they are currently rendered as the end of a list and the start of a new one. -- I concede this one. Then maybe you should've used this as argument instead of LISTGAP, but then this particular statement is pretty much drowned in the INDENTGAP paragraph. Guess direct messages about the issue is the most clear way to deal with our disagreement.

As a final note, i see that WP:LISTGAP at one point tried to specifically say: "including items in a definition list (a list made with leading semicolons and colons - including talk page discussions)" -- but by now the explicit mention of talk page discussions has been dropped. Maybe because it doesn't apply to those? Please establish a consensus to change the guideline to clearly include talk pages, as well as template talk pages as a particular case, and then i'll be happy to stop arguing that it's out of scope of LISTGAP. -- Jokes_Free4Me (talk) 09:59, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Welsh struct templates

Hi, I created the templates at Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/2013/January. However for some reason the bottom half have errors. Perhaps you, User:Waacstats (a proud fellow Welshman), or User:Ser Amantio di Nicolao would be interested in stub sorting with them. Let me know then what the stub count is per county and I might create some new stubs.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:17, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

The |name= parameter needs the full page name - you omitted the namespace. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:24, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

I can try to take a look this evening. --Ser Amantio di Nicolao^{Che dicono a Signa?}_{Lo dicono a Signa.} 13:13, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Once the new templates have been added to some articles, their usage can be determined using Jarry1250 (talk · contribs)'s tool: Anglesey; BlaenauGwent; Bridgend; Caerphilly; Cardiff; Carmarthenshire; Ceredigion; Conwy; Denbighshire; Flintshire; Gwynedd; Merthyr; Monmouthshire; NeathPortTalbot; Newport; Pembrokeshire; Powys; RhonddaCynonTaf; Swansea; Torfaen; ValeofGlamorgan; Wrexham. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:43, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Nice one, thanks both.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:48, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Hastings Line

Would you take a look at the Hastings Line article and maybe give it a bit of a polish? Mjroots (talk) 15:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: According to Today it reopened this morning after some months. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:50, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Yep, got that. I meant have a look at the article. Still some work to do, but I've got to source some books from library first. Once that's done, we can resort to contemporary sources such as Hansard and newspapers. Mjroots (talk) 16:51, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm still waiting on Vol 2 of the History of the Southern Railway. One cpoy is supposed to be available for loan via Kent Libraries, but it has "disappeared" . You've had a look at the article, do you think it might stand a chance of a GA? Mjroots (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: Do you mean

• Dendy Marshall, C.F.; Kidner, R.W. (1963) [1937]. History of the Southern Railway. Vol. Vol. Two (2nd ed.). Shepperton: Ian Allan. p. 290. ISBN 0-7110-0059-X. {{cite book}}: |volume= has extra text (help); Invalid |ref=harv (help)

Mine doesn't say anything about it being Volume Two. It covers the whole period from the Surrey Iron Railway until 1947. Internally, the 42 chapters are grouped into five Parts.
You're far more experienced at GA than me; I only ever got one article to GA largely unaided: NBR 224 and 420 Classes. But I would say: why not give it a bash? So long as you don't get it reviewed by a fool, you should get some suggestions for improvement. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

That's the one. My father has Vo1 One (parts I - III, pp 1-278). Sod's law is that all the info I want is in Vol Two. Mjroots (talk) 21:19, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Part IV "The South Eastern and Chatham Railway" is pp. 279-388; Part V "The Southern Railway" is pp. 389-486. Then come Appendices I-VII, the index, and two fold-out maps. I'll remove the |volume=Vol. Two because it looks as if it was in two volumes at one time, but ISBN 0-7110-0059-X is definitely a combined edition. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:24, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Animated films work group

Thank you for your help in adding a parameter to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, in order to include articles in the Animated films work group. I have started to add the parameter to talk pages, however the articles are not being added to the project with the proper classification, since the Film project does not use the |importance= parameter. Therefore, they are showing up on the assessment table as "Other". Is there any way to have these articles default to the importance for the {{WikiProject Animation}} template? Or does another parameter need to be added, to reflect the importance assessment of these articles? Fortdj33 (talk) 15:04, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

@Fortdj33: If the basic {{WikiProject Film}} template had recognised |importance=, that could have been passed through; but it doesn't. We could add one, but if it is specifically for animated films, we shouldn't use a generic parameter name, so it needs a new parameter. This edit is approximately what's required. It adds the |Animated-film-task-force-importance= parameter, and two aliases for that: |Animated-importance= and |animated-importance= --Redrose64 (talk) 15:39, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

That looks good, except for the fact that none of the other Film task forces use importance. I understand that this one is unique, because it's technically a work group of the Animation project, but I'm not sure that an exception should be made just for this one. I guess I didn't take this difference between the two projects into consideration when I proposed the addition. Is there no other way that we could just have the importance parameter from one template reflected on the other? Fortdj33 (talk) 16:12, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

If a talk page has both {{WikiProject Film|animated=yes}} and {{WikiProject Animation}}, surely that's redundancy? But if both are present, there is no way for either one to be aware of the presence of the other, therefore there is no means for extracting parameter data from the other. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

OK. Let me experiment with the existing parameters a bit before adding anything more. I agree that having both banners on the same article is a little redundant, but all the articles affected are probably under the scope of both projects. Thanks for the information! Fortdj33 (talk) 16:24, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

I want to thank you again for the feedback that you've given me, regarding the problem with parameters on the {{WikiProject Animation}} template. I hope that I'm not bothering you, but since you've responded to different forms of my question in several different places, I thought that I would return here to follow up.

Right now, it appears to me that there are 3 choices:

1. Add a new parameter to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, as you have described above. As I said, I think this would make the Animated films task force stick out like a sore thumb, because none of the other Film task forces use importance.
2. Convince the Film project to use importance parameters on all their task forces. This would make things consistent, but is unlikely.
3. Convince the Animated Films work group to stop using the importance parameter. Alternately, the assessment table for this particular work group could just be modified, to only show quality and not importance. Something similar was done for User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Fictional character, when that project stopped using the importance parameter.

At this point, I'm just trying to make sure that all affected articles are added to the project in the same way, so that I can get back to using the |Animated= parameter properly. Thank you again for all your help! Fortdj33 (talk) 02:05, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think that it's feasible to ask a WikiProject to stop using importance ratings. I don't think that it's necessary to impose importance ratings upon all of the Film taskforces - just one general importance for the Film wikiproject, plus one for Animated, might be a satisfactory compromise. Have a look at {{WikiProject Trains}} - there is a general |importance= parameter, and of the 27 taskforces, 10 have their own importance rating (e.g. |UK-importance= goes with |UK=yes, but 17 have no importance rating at all - there is no |locos-importance= for |locos=yes. Sometimes you may find that one or more task forces of a WikiProject have an importance rating that is inherited from the parent WikiProject - such as {{WikiProject Beer}} where |importance= is used to populate subcats of Category:Beer articles by importance, but when |pubs=yes is set, is also used to populate Category:Pubs articles by importance - even though there is no special |pubs-importance= parameter. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:14, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

So if I understand you correctly, either way a parameter will need to be added to the {{WikiProject Film}} template, in order for animated films articles to stop showing up as "Other". Either a general importance parameter is added, which is then inherited by any task forces that use importance (the Animated films task force being the only one, as far as I know). Or, a specific importance parameter is added, just for the Animated films task force, as you initially suggested. Now that you've given examples of both, I am happy with whichever way is more convenient. Fortdj33 (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

A general importance parameter isn't inherited unless the WikiProject banner is explicitly instructed to do so. {{WikiProject Beer}} has (among other things) this code:

|tf 1                = {{{pubs|}}}
 |TF_1_LINK          = Wikipedia:WikiProject Beer/Pub Taskforce
 |TF_1_NAME          = the Pubs taskforce
  |tf 1 importance   = {{{importance|}}}
  |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT = Pubs articles

Here we have |tf 1 importance= and |TF_1_ASSESSMENT_CAT=. This means that task force 1 (set by |pubs=yes) has an importance rating, but it is set from the general rating |importance= and not from one that is specific to that task force. This is what I mean by "an importance rating that is inherited from the parent WikiProject". Compare {{WikiProject Trains}} which has (among other things) this code:

 |tf 3={{{UK|{{{uk|}}}}}}
  |TF_3_LINK         = Wikipedia:WikiProject UK Railways
  |TF_3_NAME         = WikiProject UK Railways
  |tf 3 importance={{{UK-importance|{{{uk-importance|}}}}}}
  |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT= UK Railways articles
 |tf 5={{{locos|{{{Locos|}}}}}}
  |TF_5_LINK         = Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Locomotives task force
  |TF_5_NAME         = the Locomotives task force

Notice the presence of |tf 3 importance= and |TF_3_ASSESSMENT_CAT= but the absence of |tf 5 importance= and |TF_5_ASSESSMENT_CAT=. This means that task force 3 (set by |UK=yes) has its own importance rating (set by |UK-importance=) whereas task force 5 (set by |locos=yes) has no importance rating at all: it doesn't inherit, because it's not been instructed to do so. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification. Since the Film project in general does not use the importance parameter, I think that the {{WikiProject Trains}} example is probably the way to go, which is also in line with your original suggestion. I will copy your example over to the Film template as a formal request. Thanks again! Fortdj33 (talk) 14:01, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Same-sex union legislation

Moved to Talk:Same-sex union legislation § Wallis and Futuna - flag

 – Redrose64 (talk) 13:12, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 125#Help for a template and category (greek wikipedia)

@Xaris333: I moved the discussion back to VPT, to avoid it being split up on various pages. Other people may wish to assist. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:04, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Time correction on Meta

Thanks for the heads up on the confused time details. It has no been corrected. Leutha (talk) 14:30, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Chrome plate plastic

Redrose64,

I see your point of view about removing the external link, although many will come to this page looking for actual companies that chrome plate plastic, and we would qualify as experts on this. I think it would actually be beneficial to have a link to our company on this page, yet if you deen it to be inappropriate, than that is your prerogative.

Thanks,

Oren Braude Romac Products — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.25.2.248 (talk) 15:29, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

In order for a link to your company to be included, you need to ensure that it satisfies the guideline on external links; also WP:NOTADVERTISING, WP:NPOV and WP:COI. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:40, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Rich Farmbrough case clarified

The arbitration clarification request, either involving you, or in which you participated (Rich Farmbrough) has resulted in a clarification motion by the Arbitration Committee

The Clarification can be found at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarifications_by_motion and the complete discussion can be found at Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich_Farmbrough#Clarification_request:_Rich_Farmbrough_.28April_2014.29 For the Arbitration Committee,--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:28, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

BOT Request

Hi Redrose64, I have requested for a bot to cleanup the Tamil wiki articles, I didn't get any reply regarding the same, to whom I can approach for the same? Thanks!--Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 09:43, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Dineshkumar Ponnusamy: I've never edited on Tamil Wikipedia, and I don't think that I've ever visited it, other than to determine that the Tamil equivalent of WP:Bots is ta:விக்கிப்பீடியா:தானியங்கிகள். Since bots do exist on Tamil Wikipedia, have you tried the appropriate noticeboards there? Please note that I don't operate any bots (on English Wikipedia or elsewhere), and I don't make decisions on bot requests or tasks, although I do occasionally offer suggestions. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:30, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

@Redrose64:, I've discussed the bot request in the village-pump of Tamil Wikipedia, I need some help to create the bot. Am little aware of programming, I need support for creating the bot. Once it is ready, I'll get the approval from Tamil Wikipedia. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

I believe the writ of our beloved and dear arbitrators runs not upon Wikipedias of 239 languages. This might be worth looking at. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:51, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: can I get the full name of writ, so that I can approach him. Thanks. --Dineshkumar Ponnusamy (talk) 03:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I was writing unreadable English. If the Tamil Wikipedia community would like me to run such a bot, I would be happy to do so. I will also be happy to look at an other bot requests, provided there is local consensus. I know no Tamil. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 04:24, 22 April 2014 (UTC).

Coopersale page deletion close

Thanks for your work on Wikipedia. I notice you did a 'Procedural close' on the 'Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coopersale Halt railway station'. I think this happened as the proposal was done by one user and finished by another. What is the status of this now, if closed can the deletion discussion be reactivated / restarted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.85.176.40 (talk) 07:31, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It was not a formal closure, but a !vote - a suggestion that it be closed, because procedure laid down at WP:AFDHOWTO had not been followed. If I had been formally closing the incomplete AFD, I would have followed the procedure laid down at WP:AFD/AI, and the AFD discussion page would then look something like this. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

FYI

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—Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't take Rail, but I do subscribe to The Railway Magazine, and occasionally get Modern Railways and Today's Railways Europe. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:56, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Hmm. Do any of their recent issues mention Meldon Viaduct? According to Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells (I paraphrase I think he might have been from Rutland or somewhere! ;)) writing to Rail, Dartmoor National Park Authority and/or English Heritage have stated that the old LSWR route from Exeter to Plymouth couldn't be re-opened because of Meldon Viaduct's condition and/or status as a scheduled monument. I'd love to track that statement down and add it to the article, assuming DoTW hasn't got the wrong end of the stick. Thanks, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:52, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

HJ - you're older than I thought! "Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" is a character in Take It From Here, circa 1953. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:00, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The reference you are looking for is in RAIL 743 (March 5 - 18 2014), page 53, in an article by Richard Clinnick entitled "Reconnecting the South West". The relevant paragraph states that "Mike Hendick, communications officer for Dartmoor National Park, says the viaduct is a Scheduled Ancient Monument, which would mean the involvement of English Heritage, the government advisor on the historic environment". Hendick doesn't say that reopening would be impossible but that it would be "a monstrous undertaking" due to the compulsory purchase of land which would be required (page 54). The article also mentions a "West Devon County Committee report" dated 19 November 2010 which referred to "the need to improve the track to overcome potential weight issues on the Meldon viaduct" (page 57). Finally, the local MP, Anne Marie Morris, pointed out that the viaduct was "refurbished in the mid 1990s, and prior to take had been used by lorries and a rail headshunt until (I believe) 1990" (page 55). Lamberhurst (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Change font

Do you know how to change the font in the edit window? It still isn't big enough for me. Plus, my years of using text windows on Linux makes me wish for monotype. Bgwhite (talk) 07:56, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I assume that you wish to change the font size, and specifically in the large multi-line edit window as used for regular editing, rather than the single-line windows (such as those used for the edit summary).

form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 {
  font-size: 150%;
}

in Special:MyPage/common.css should do it. If it doesn't work in all the places that it should, try removing either form#editform or textarea#wpTextbox1 (but not both). Other effects may be achieved by use of other properties; those listed in sections 15.3 through 15.7 (inclusive) at CSS 2.1 Fonts are the ones that you might find particularly useful. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much. form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 is what I was after. I've missed my DejaVu Sans Mono. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bgwhite (talk • contribs) 22:23, 24 April 2014‎

If that font is installed on your machine, you could use

form#editform textarea#wpTextbox1 {
  font-family: 'DejaVu Sans Mono';
}

the quotes are mandatory for a multi-word font name. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:32, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It is on my machine and that is what I originally installed via the css file. I've been using it for almost ten years on the linux side. My precious. Bgwhite (talk) 23:12, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Yoko Ono edits

Could you leave the citation methods alone? The article is in the midst of a 2nd GAN, and the presiding reviewer does not like sfn's. He reads them as links and get confused. If you feel strongly that he's in the wrong, please argue with XXSNUGGUMSXX directly on his Talk page. I will keep going on the GAN work. thanks!--Aichik (talk) 13:26, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Aichik: It was XXSNUGGUMSXX who I was assisting. They left a request for help at Help talk:Cite errors#Yoko Ono. I was responding to that request, as was John of Reading. Also, I cannot find any mention of {{sfn}} at Talk:Yoko Ono/GA4. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

It was under "John Lennon" and in the "Sourcing" section. You seem to have addressed it, hopefully XXSNUGGUMSXX will get the aspects, which apply to many of bulleted points about sourcing, he doesn't understand and your changes will help.--Aichik (talk) 14:28, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

meta:Meetup/Oxford/15

Do we have the numbers for this?©Geni (talk) 17:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

@Geni: If you mean "how many will be there", it's a variable. Four have signed up (including you and me), but that doesn't mean that four will be there. If RexxS comes, that usually means that HJ Mitchell will attend too; and MistyMorn often signs at the last minute, sometimes as an IP. We might get Rich Farmbrough if he also visits his sister. Other semi-regulars include GeoffH 112SU, Grandiose, Jarry1250, Mervyn, Stemonitis, John of Reading. I'm hoping that KTC will make it some day. But don't worry, I'll be there. The fewest we've had was three, at Oxford 8. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:14, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I am planning on being there. I need a break from Wikipedia. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:41, 26 April 2014 (UTC).

@Rich Farmbrough: A break? You've just come back from 12 months off. Denied. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:48, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

The only number you need to know is 62. --RexxS (talk) 21:45, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

I definitely plan to attend in the near future, but unfortunately have other plans today. Let me know when you have a date for Oxford 16. -- KTC (talk) 09:10, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Part-timer! :P I'll be there. Wasn't sure I'd be up to it, but I'm fine now. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 10:05, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I'll be there (but not from the start). Just leaving home now, best guess eta is about 3pm. Thryduulf (talk) 10:57, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

I will be right behind you! All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 11:09, 27 April 2014 (UTC).

Wikimania

6–10 August 2014. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

British Rail Class 68

Thank you for your edits to British Rail Class 68. Biscuittin (talk) 10:16, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

LMR 600 Gordon

Thanks for your edit. What does "as of" in brackets do? Biscuittin (talk) 07:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

@Biscuittin: Visually, "{{As of|2005}}" looks like "As of 2005", so it might seem redundant to simply putting "As of 2005" as plain text (without the braces and pipe): but it also places the page into hidden Category:Articles containing potentially dated statements from 2005 (and also Category:All articles containing potentially dated statements). The purposes of these are described on the template page; on the cat pages; and at WP:DATED. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Biscuittin (talk) 15:51, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Chuckle that leads to a question

Hello R. First off this edit summary cracked me up. It also reminded me of a question that I had been meaning to ask you. A year or so ago I noticed that the Counties of the United Kingdom were being added to the text of various biography articles as well as their infoboxes. As you know I have respect for WP:ENGVAR so I have wondered if use of the county name is common practice in the UK. Over here I can't think of an example of a county name being used to describe where a person is from. The one exception might be if the county is notorious for some reason. OTOH I can't remember a conversation where I told someone "I am from Conifer, Jefferson County, Colorado" (USA, Earth, Sol, Mutter's Spiral) :-) Now, I am not proposing to change any policies I'm just curious. I am digging through my shelves to pull together some of my favorite Bob Hoskins performances for viewing this weekend. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 02:21, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) In some U.S. states, it is common to say that you live or come from a given county. Virginia is one example. Government in Virginia is organized at a county level, so school districts and local governments are often county-wide, with few self-governing cities or towns. I expect there are other U.S. states in which this is the case. I can't speak to the U.K. situation. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:26, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks J. Good to learn something new! Would you expect to see that in a written bio? For instance when I see coverage of US Senate races from Virginia the county isn't mentioned. The states that don't use the term "county" can have some interesting turns of phrase. I lived in Ketchikan, Alaska for a few years and worked for the local government offices of the Ketchikan-Gateway Borough. Thus, I worked for the KGB :-) Thanks again. MarnetteD | Talk 04:40, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

The main problem with British counties is that their boundaries have changed frequently, particularly in the last 50 years; it's made worse because counties have several purposes, and the boundaries for one purpose are not necessarily the same as those for another purpose. For example, Blackley was (prior to 1974) in Lancashire for geographical purposes, but in the County Borough of Manchester for administrative purposes. The Royal Mail used their own system of counties, which were essentially the geographical county of the sorting office for the address concerned: for example, Highclere, which is geographically and administratively in Hampshire, is postally in Berkshire because its mail is sorted at Newbury.

Much of the pre-1974 situation (and a whole lot more) is covered at articles like Historic counties of England. Several Acts of Parliament in the early 1970s (such as the Local Government Act 1972 (which covered England and Wales), the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973 and the Local Government Act (Northern Ireland) 1972) attempted to rationalise the situation, by creating a uniform two-tier system of counties and their subdivisions (districts, London boroughs, metropolitan boroughs) for England; further Acts like the Local Government Act 1985 and the Local Government Act 1992 served to complicate things once again.

In England, the effects of the 1972 Act came in 1974, when some counties (like Middlesex, Rutland, Westmorland) were completely abolished; others (like Berkshire and Lancashire) were reduced in area; some (like Cambridgeshire and Oxfordshire) were increased in area; and still more (like Greater Manchester and Merseyside) were created as entirely new entities. Something even more drastic happened in Scotland the following year - only Fife kept its name and approximate boundaries, everything else changed. The effect of the 1985 Act (which came into force in 1986) was to do away with six of the counties created in 1974 (such as Greater Manchester); and the 1992 Act allowed some more counties, both old (like Berkshire) and new (like Cleveland) to be abolished.

These changes gave rise to resentment (and even anger) that persists to this day, and that is the root of the Lancashire/Greater Manchester/none-of-the-above problem for Blackley. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:56, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the detailed reply. To your point, I have seen more than one article where editors keep changing the county and now I understand why. I hope you enjoy your weekend. MarnetteD | Talk 15:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

For biogs, we should go by sources. If reliable source X says "John Doe was born in Lancashire" and reliable source Y says "John Doe was born in Greater Manchester", it's difficult to avoid WP:NOR issues. But if they say "John Doe was born in Blackley, Lancashire" and "John Doe was born in Blackley, Greater Manchester" we can at least go by the common factor and write "John Doe was born in Blackley" which satisfies WP:V and WP:NPOV.

A significant part of pre-1974 Lancashire was lost to other counties: the pink bits in this map were part of Lancashire before 1974. Of these, the northern pink bit (which includes Ulverston, birthplace of Stan Laurel) was transferred to Cumbria; the western third of the southern pink bit was transferred to Merseyside, and the eastern two-thirds of the southern pink bit was transferred to Greater Manchester. Three other counties (Cheshire, Derbyshire and the West Riding of Yorkshire) also lost territory to Greater Manchester in 1974. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:04, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

I always appreciate how much I learn from you. Your apple (the one with the face cut into it from The Eleventh Hour (Doctor Who)) is in the mail. Thanks again for your time. MarnetteD | Talk 16:19, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I just remembered that there was another bit of Lancashire that was lost in 1974: two towns in the southern pink bit (Warrington and Widnes) were transferred to Cheshire. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

not notable

I added The Absolution of ZERO Published by Neighborhood Publishing. Please remove the deletion tab — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mollybell (talk • contribs) 23:34, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

@Mollybell: Do you mean this edit? As noted in the edit summary, that was a WP:PROD. The linked page has information on what to do about it; specifically, WP:DEPROD. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:48, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Thanxs for telling me how to place templates without showing the results of the templates! Cheers!-- Allied Rangoon‧talk 20:01, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Gatwick Airport station

G'day, according to the article, a new Platform 7 was opened at Gatwick station a couple of months back. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 10:38, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

In which case National Rail Enquiries are out of date. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Googling "Gatwick airport Platform 7" brings up heaps of news stories about the opening. I am on the other side of the world and am not really in a position to visit the station at the moment to check; all the flights to England have already left for the day :-) YSSYguy (talk) 10:53, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Technical Barnstar
	Much appreciate your assistance. Thanks! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:20, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

One useful thing I had on monobook was

addOnloadHook(function() {
  addPortletLink('p-cactions','http://reftag.appspot.com/','GB ref','ca-gb ref');
  });

I can't get it to work in cologne. Do you know how? If I could get it to link at the top in the blue strip next to MAIN PAGE ABOUT HELP. Also do you know how to show the FA and GA stars at the top of the page on cologne?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:22, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Unfortunately, javascript is not one of my skills. I know enough to distinguish it from CSS, and much of the syntax is similar to C (which I do know). But that p-cactions is a nice clue, so I've used that to start with.

In Monobook skin, there's some HTML <div id="p-cactions" class="portlet" role="navigation">...</div> which encloses the tabs from "article" to "watch" inclusive; the id= here matches, so my guess is that your code adds another tab to that menu. Testing it in my .js file confirms that a tab marked "gb ref" is added. Cologne Blue doesn't have tabs, but the equivalent links occur in two (different) sets: one at the bottom, which don't seem to be easily modifiable, and those in the sidebar under both "Edit" (enclosed by <div class="portlet" id="p-cactions" role="navigation">...</div>) and "This page" (enclosed by <div class="portlet" id="p-pageoptions" role="navigation">...</div>). Notice that the first of these two has id="p-cactions" just like the MonoBook one. Testing, I find that the new link "GB ref" is added at the bottom of the "Edit" set, immediately above the heading "This page". I would say, therefore, that provided that you have added it to either User:Dr. Blofeld/cologneblue.js or to User:Dr. Blofeld/common.js (but not both), it should work without alteration.

FA and GA icons I don't know about, although I did notice their absence. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:14, 6 May 2014 (UTC) For testing: small article with coords.

Thanks, it works now.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:57, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Regarding WP:VPT#Cologne Blue, where I put "The grey line isn't a grey line at all - it's a zero-height box with a grey border. When there is a Sitenotice or a CentralNotice, the box expands to accommodate the notice." - there's a CentralNotice up now, it's the one that says "Our Privacy Policy is changing on 6 June 2014. To learn more, click here." You should have found that this notice has caused the grey line to expand to a grey-bordered box; and since the CentralNotice also has a border, this produces a broadly-spaced double-border effect. I don't think that any harm will be caused by adding

#siteNotice { border: none; }

to User:Dr. Blofeld/cologneblue.css. This will suppress the outer grey border, and when there are no CentralNotices (or you have dismissed them), the grey line won't appear either. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:54, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Excellent. Thanks. One last thing, can "From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" be replaced with a similar grey line underneath the article titles?♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:51, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

There you go --Redrose64 (talk) 10:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks great! Recommend trying it with a DaunPenh font on Firefox!♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Can you add a line break between the line and the first part of the text? I tried adding a break but it didn't work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I used margin-bottom: 1em; - you can adjust that provided that 1em is replaced by a valid length measurement. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:16, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Looks good, I've tweaked it to 0.5 em. Is it possible to have a hide/show option for the side item bar so that you can click "hide" while reading to the full page screen and then click show when you want to navigate? Where it says "Find" would probably be a good place for a hide/show option of the whole side bar. It's an option which I'm surprised isn't available in preferences.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

That's getting into Javascript territory, which is not me at all. Try WP:VPT again, or perhaps WT:US. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:05, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I'll leave you alone now :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:23, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Update!!

Oh him!! The guy who thinks you can open a branch in its original form with three post preservation stations in it!! Of course!! Britmax (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Higham railway station, Kent

Concerning your revision of my edit to the above on the grounds of "unsourced - privacy concerns":

I freely admit that my edit was unsourced and added on the spur of the moment. However, I'm not entirely certain how it constitutes a privacy concern, given that we're talking about Dicken's Swiss chalet, and that neither he nor it are living persons. At any rate, it is an undeniable fact that at some point after Dickens' death the chalet was moved from Gad's Hill to Eastgate House, Rochester where it resides to this day, although I do not know exactly when or by whom. I shall attempt to find a source for this information if I can fit it into my busy schedule of idleness. Thank you for your time. Lee M (talk) 01:57, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

@Lee M: It's a privacy concern because the implication is that it now stands on private land. We don't seem to have an article on Eastgate House, Rochester (or even Eastgate House), so it's probably not a public building, and its owners are almost certainly still alive. WP:BLP doesn't only apply to biographical articles. --Redrose64 (talk) 08:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I've started an article on the house in Rochester. The chalet was moved from Gad's Hill to the house site in the 1960s. Not sure User:Lee M why you would mention it in the railway article but it's in the source here. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I just thought that since it was mentioned in the station article in connection with Gad's Hill people might think it was still there, which would be misleading. Lee M (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Looking for a connection

Here is what I was trying to do I wanted to see if these two people have any strong connection User;Barney the barney barney and User;TheRedPenOfDoom (no ping). I see they have some recent history and the reason is I need to see if TRPoD has an underlying reason for is participating in the current AfD. Valoem ^{talk contrib} 19:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

This is related to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 126#How to search through User history?. I know of these people, but I don't know what "the current AfD" might be. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:54, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Caledonian Road Station

Hi Redrose64

I reverted the edit that removed the platform photos from the Caledonian Road Tube Station. I understand your perspective that there's a Commons gallery that shows these. The reason I disagree with their removal is that one of the defining features of the Yerkes era stations on the underground is the unique platform tiling that each station had. Ideally, each station along the central part of the Piccadilly line and some of the Northern Line stations should have a platform photo because clicking each station along the line could allow a user to see how they differ. Perhaps a compromise could be ONE photo of the tiling. I reverted it but I'd like your perspective on how to proceed next in a way that doesn't have too much but makes this important detail easy to see. Dawg161 (talk) 22:47, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The Yerkes tiling is indeed distinctive, but it is not mentioned anywhere in the article's text. Of the four captions for these images, only one actually mentions the tiling - and there, it doesn't describe anything about the tiling. The captions read: (i) "Eastbound platform (actually northbound here) looking south"; (ii) "Westbound platform (actually southbound here) looking north"; (iii) "Roundel on the westbound platform"; (iv) "The original station tiling on the westbound platform". The fourth image might be retained, but not as part of a gallery - use the normal "thumb" syntax for images. This is because the default width for gallery images is only 120px, and very little detail can be made out; but that for thumb images is 220px - and even so, some people consider that to be on the small side. Besides amplifying the caption (MOS:CAPTION), it also needs some supporting text outside of the caption, see WP:PERTINENCE. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

What do you think? Unfortunately the only picture I could find that had the tilework well displayed was in B&W, so I needed to use two photos to also show the color. I hope it's better! Dawg161 (talk) 01:35, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Updating maps in UK district/county nav boxes

Hi, I was wondering if you or somebody you know could use AWB or run a script or whatever to update the nav boxes of the districts of UK counties with the decent svg maps and oust the poor quality old pink maps like this. As far as I can see the naming convention is consistent. It's just I'm sure there's a way somebody can drill the lot instead of me doing it all manually!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:02, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: Sorry, I don't use AWB and don't write scripts. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:15, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps @Frietjes: could see a way to do it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Browser problem

I have a problem with a Checkwiki link. In Chrome and Firefox, it works correctly. In IE, it doesn't work.
Goto this link. Under the more column, click on a link for an article that has a accent, such as "Ahmed Bey ben Mohamed Chérif" or "Ahmed Sékou Touré". In IE, nothing shows up.

The only thing I see different is what Firefox and IE thinks the name really is. This link will show what the browser thinks the title is.

Second question. Do you know of somebody that if given a list of users can tell if they have been active for the past year. I've gone to Legoktm, but he isn't responding. Bgwhite (talk) 06:12, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: To the first, an examination of the page source reveals <a href="ack.cgi?project=enwiki&view=detail&title=Ahmed Bey ben Mohamed Chérif">more</a> which has a dodgy query string, and not just because of the "é" - it's got spaces in. I suspect that the page should be using urlencode, as in &title={{urlencode:Ahmed Bey ben Mohamed Chérif|PATH}} → &title=Ahmed%20Bey%20ben%20Mohamed%20Ch%C3%A9rif - notice how the "é" is encoded to "%C3%A9" and the spaces to "%20".

To the second, No, I don't, sorry. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:32, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Adding %20 to the non-wikipedia links made it work. The Wikipedia links didn't need %20 because they contained underscores for spaces. Grrrr, this was stupidity on my end. I ran the pages thru http://validator.w3.org/ when originally doing the program. Wish I remember why I removed the %20. I ran the pages thru the validator again and found a missing quote symbol, minor database issue and one page I didn't use underscores. Bgwhite (talk) 05:54, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Why there are some categories that are categorized as hidden, that doesn't have a "hiddencat" in its text field?

For example this page, Category:Commons_category_with_local_link_same_as_on_Wikidata — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.210 (talk) 22:51, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Any category that bears the {{tracking category}} template is automatically a hidden category. Category:Commons category with local link same as on Wikidata has {{Tracking category|category=no}} --Redrose64 (talk) 23:34, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

Edit request

Hello Redrose64. Considering the inclusion of Barack Hussein Obama as an editing guideline example, it seems incumbent that the live example should conform with the guideline its use is intended to accentuate. Please consider answering this edit request. Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 21:21, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

foam fight in Fury From The Deep

If it was shown on screen (and there are two John Cura telesnaps to prove it was, one of Fraser Hines with a facefull of foam, the other of Debbie Watling sent flying and about to land in the stuff) then why does it not count as part of the plot? 62.190.154.115 (talk) 08:39, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't doubt that it was shown on screen. The point is that in a section titled "Plot", which is supposed to summarise the key events of the story, it is trivial - totally unimportant to the plot. If the sequence had been cut entirely, the story would not have been changed at all.

By contrast, consider the green slime in The Green Death. This makes the miner ill, and is a crucial plot element. So, if the characters in Fury from the Deep had later broken out in some sort of rash, which was shown to have been caused by the foam; or if the bubbles, on bursting, had released some gas which choked the characters, then it would have been an event crucial to the plot. But no after-effects are described at all. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:11, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

In case you haven't already seen this

Hello R. A friend was telling me that a space suit used in a 60's Dr Who story had later been used in Star Wars. I hadn't heard that before and it seemed unlikely (though not impossible) given the number of years that had passed between the two. Naturally, I headed to the internets to see what I could find. Several sites mentioned it and the photo evidence was striking. Then I came across this mentioning the "high altitude Windak pressure suits" as used by the RAF. IMO it made sense that both the DW and the SW production staffs had gotten the suits from the RAF then SW getting them from the BBC. I don't think this merits mention in our Tenth Planet article but i thought I would bring it to your attention on the off chance that you hadn't already seen it. Cheers. MarnetteD | Talk 15:42, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

There was a case two or three years back where an IP was repeatedly trying to insert that space-suit information into one of our articles. His grounds for inclusion were "look at them - they're obviously the same ones"; my grounds for removal were WP:NOR and absence of WP:V. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:45, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

That was the correct action. With the detailed records that various DW historians have been able to dig into over the years I wonder if there is any mention of the connection to the RAF and these costumes in their somewhere. MarnetteD | Talk 18:44, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I've looked through my edits to The Tenth Planet (and also The Moonbase), but I can't find the add-and-revert concerned. Maybe it was a different story which the IP was trying to add the space-suits to. I do recall that the IP did provide a link - it was to the website of the suit manufacturers; the linked page didn't mention either Doctor Who or Star Wars, but did have some photos of fighter pilots (or perhaps hunky models) all suited up. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:14, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the support

re John Johnstone Smith (talk · contribs). I was wondering if persistent editing of a talk archive page would be considered by others as disruptive... At times I am tempted to create an RFC/U. At other times I think it's not worth the bother. Jeh (talk) 20:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I've just been looking at his edits to Talk:List of lost television broadcasts. His premise is utterly wrong. Not only did video recording technology not exist in 1936 (other than by filming a monitor screen connected to the camera output), live TV broadcasts still occur today - the news and sports broadcasts on BBC are predominantly live: the news has the odd pre-filmed report played in during transmission, the sports has instant replay. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:33, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

I know. The same (multiple "not even wrong" premises) is true of his posts about Betamax. Do you think RFC/U is warranted? I don't have time to write one of those up for the next couple of days, but ... Jeh (talk) 21:18, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

It may be one route. I've never filed a WP:RFC/U before. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:22, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

North West meetups

Hi Redrose64, we'd agreed on RexxS's talk page that the Manchester meetups will be held on the 4th Sunday of the month, and Oxford on the 3rd. Actually each month we alternate between Manchester and Liverpool/Chester, and we sometimes meet on Saturdays.
Yesterday I arranged the next Liverpool and Manchester meetups - 21 June and 26 July. There shouldn't be a problem with July, but I wondered if you'd be OK with the Liverpool date in June. Because 1 June is a Sunday, the fourth Saturday and the fourth Sunday are in different weekends. So will there be a clash with your next southern meetup?
(For personal reasons, rescheduling it will not be convenient, especially as I won't be able to attend the July or August meetups either, but if it needs to change then it's not too late.)
You should come along, and one day I'll head down south! Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 17:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

@Bazonka: So far, the Oxford meetups have never been arranged more than one month in advance: at each one we agree the date for the next. By contrast, London meetups right through to September 2014 were scheduled as early as 27 January 2014 - almost eight months in advance. Somebody at London 81 (it might have been WereSpielChequers) suggested that monthly meetups should have priority of date over those which were less frequent.

Anyway, Oxford 16 is this coming Sunday, 25 May 2014; but we haven't yet set a date for Oxford 17 - the third Sunday, i.e. 15 May 2014, would suit me, but I shall put it to the others this Sunday. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

OK, that would be best, but I don't think it would be the end of the world if you chose 22 June. Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 18:42, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Walking etc

Hello there. Fine and fair enough re this but have you seen this person's other edits? They are seriously prolific and seem to get on crusades to make all transport articles meet some new spec of theirs. I don't think they have consensus for these changes and I'd be much happier if they did. I do feel a bit concerned about their current approach. Best wishes DBaK (talk)

@DisillusionedBitterAndKnackered: I've seen a lot of their edits, but by no means all. I don't agree with the majority, but I think that some of the things that I don't personally like might be agreeable to the majority. However, I have reverted some: for example, they were adding info on nearby public houses, and after after three or four reverts by me (example), they reverted some of their own similar edits (example) and stopped adding info for a while. Then they came back with something else to make mass edits about. I think it was changing the heading "Transport links" to "Connections". Some of their edits are harmless, but they are watchlist-cloggers. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:57, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

It's good to see you doing such a thorough clean-up; I now feel a little guilty at having done so little myself. I have gone so far as leaving a couple of messages at User Talk:Hopeful2014 as I am a bit worried that the overall problem, of making similar errors and problematic edits in multiple articles in quick succession, may continue. NebY (talk) 14:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

@NebY: It's not completely thorough; I've not done any pages that were not already on my watchlist, and I've not always removed the superfluous subheading "Buses" (compare this edit with this one). --Redrose64 (talk) 14:36, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear, that means I may have to do some work myself. I'll put it off a little bit longer; they might take corrective action on the remaining articles and respond. NebY (talk) 17:23, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Film poster license

Hi, I was wondering if you could edit my Cologne Blue JS to have a button labelled FP next to my others there in which when I hit the FP button it'll display this in the film poster page article. I am aware that subst:User Dr. Blofeld/Film poster would in theory work but when you save in the JS page it'll paste the whole thing in. Also for some reason images I upload automatically go on my watchlist which I don't want. How do I evade that?♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:26, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

To the first question: adding a button or tab requires javascript, and I'm no use for that, as noted above. To the second: it's controlled by Preferences → Watchlist → Add pages I create and files I upload to my watchlist. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:33, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

It's not ticked and still doing it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:53, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

It might be kinda mixed up inside. Try setting it, saving; unsetting it and saving it again. That should force it all one way. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:08, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

Done as suggested, I'll see later if it works! I've found a way to sort out the FP button by adding a : in :subst: and then removing the colon and saving and then filling in.♦ Dr. Blofeld 07:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thank you for your edits re the Portsmouth meetup (I'd compeltly forgotten there were meetup pages on en as well as Meta!), and for the R stock info! Thryduulf (talk) 21:20, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

ASU Politehnica Timişoara

The page ASU Politehnica Timişoara is redirected to the page of a club that is a fraud and it's despised by the fans. Please fix this offense and corect the fraud. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blindmandream (talk • contribs) 09:49, 29 May 2014‎

@Blindmandream: Please see Mr. Stradivarius's reply at Talk:ASU Politehnica Timișoara#Protected edit request on 29 May 2014. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:54, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|Talk:Longnewton|Unusual editing|ts=10:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)}} DBaK (talk) 10:22, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

List of rail accidents (before 1880)

I've reworked the List of rail accidents (before 1880) but am having difficulty getting all the sfn references to work fully. What am I doing wrong? Mjroots (talk) 08:53, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

@Mjroots: The surnames given in the {{sfn}} need to match up with the last names given in the {{cite book}}. I made three changes: (i) the abbreviation "Jr." is not part of the surname but is really an honorific suffix - I would personally omit it, but just in case there's another Alfred D Chandler, I moved it into |first=; (ii) surnames and given names need to be clearly distinguished, so using |author=Alan A. Jackson doesn't create a valid link from Jackson; (iii) Shepard was misspelled as Shephard. There is a fourth problem, in that there remains a {{sfn|Bengtsson|2007|pp=213-15}} but there is no full citation with that surname. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm on to the Bengtsson issue. Mjroots (talk) 09:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

All working now, thanks for your help. Mjroots (talk) 09:16, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Your User Page Is Epic

Just wanted to tell you that your user page & edits are really epic, you should be proud. Billgates2 (talk) 02:24, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

@Billgates2: Thankyou. I missed this post earlier, because you put it at the top of the page; please see WP:TOPPOST. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:09, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Template:Katpadi–Viluppuram branch line

Many thanks for your help out there. Actually i was about to ask Useddenim for help, but i unable to proceed due to power shutdown.  Thank you very much! --βα£α(ᶀᶅᶖᵵᵶ)^(Support) 16:49, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Connections (Transport links)

Why do you continuely keep 'stalking' me and editing everything I do? Is Cycling and Walking routes no longer important in London? People do uses the 'walking routes'as well as cycle lanes and cycle lanes of course, in London. It is under 'Connections' as with Buses and Coaches so it is not visible to whom may be looking at the page so there no harm. I truly fail to see what the issue is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hopeful2014 (talk • contribs) 12:04, 30 May 2014‎

@Hopeful2014: I am not stalking you. If I were, I expect that I would have reverted a lot more than I have done. The only reversions of your edits that I have made are those which happened to show up on my watchlist. Various people (including myself) have explained on your talk page and in edit summaries just why many of your edits have been undesirable. Wikipedia is not a travel guide: an article about a railway station should concern itself with the history of the station, the trains which serve it and the facilities provided at the station itself. Nearby amenities like cycle routes and footpaths are irrelevant. We allow bus routes, but only if the bus stop is either part of the station, or directly outside - bus stops in another street should be excluded. Moreover, every single one of your edits that I have looked at has not provided sources of any type; we have a policy on verifiability as well as one which forbids original research. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:01, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

@Hopeful2014: I'm afraid that more people than Redrose64 are becoming unhappy with your edits. I think the key thing is that if you want to make sweeping changes across the whole encyclopaedia, you need to get consensus for them. What I mean by this is take them to the talk page of an appropriate wikiproject, explain what you want to do and why, and get consensus for the whole idea, not one page at a time. If you succeed then you will have that behind you to refer to if queried; if you don't get consensus then at least you will have some clarity about what other editors think. I honestly believe this would be a much better approach than being a Lone Crusader and making the same changes across lots of articles. Talk pages are ALWAYS better than confrontational editing. Hope this helps, best wishes, DBaK (talk) 20:17, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

{{ganl}} replace

Resolved

Hey—when you have a sec, could you take a look at the Tony Hawk testcase at Template:GAN link/testcases. It appears that the template is thrown off because the input (article title) includes an apostrophe (and as such links to a nonexistent GAN nomination instead of showing the usual "start" link in bold). I can't tell whether the issue is due to a problem in the the "replace" stripping function we previously spoke about. Anyway, I'd appreciate a quick point in the right direction if you have a moment. czar ♔ 05:40, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

@Czar: The problem is in Template:Exists, a template that I don't like (see its talk page). This is what it's being fed (after the two {{replace}} have been performed):

*{{exists|page=Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|then=([[Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|nom]])|else=('''<span class='plainlinks'>[{{fullurl:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload}} start]</span>''')}}

which yields

• {{exists|page=Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|then=([[Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|nom]])|else=('''<span class='plainlinks'>[{{fullurl:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload}} start]</span>''')}}

clearly that redlink should actually be a blue link to "start" the nom if the GA1 subpage doesn't exist. This is what {{exists}} expands to with those params:

*{{#ifeq:[[:{{FULLPAGENAME:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}}]]|{{:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}}|('''<span class='plainlinks'>[{{fullurl:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload}} start]</span>''')|([[Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1|nom]])}}

again, this yields

• (nom)

The {{#ifeq:}} parser function takes three or four arguments: two strings to compare, a return value for "true" and an optional return value for "false". The two return values are not the problem. The problem must be in the comparison of the first two args: they are testing as unequal where they should test as equal. These two args are

• [[:{{FULLPAGENAME:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}}]] → Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1
• {{:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}} → ==GA Review==

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: ProtoDrake (talk · contribs) 08:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

It will probably take me a few days to read through the article properly and get back with comments, but I will do my very best. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Tezero (talk) 16:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

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Right, those were my findings. An instant Pass. Excellent work. --ProtoDrake (talk) 08:45, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Both args yield that redlink, and to me, they're identical - but something in the MediaWiki software is treating them as different. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:49, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

The problem appears to be in FULLPAGENAME as mentioned on Template talk:Exists (above your comment) but I don't know how the suggestion of using #replace would help fix the issue. Would you have a suggestion for getting around it? Is it something to be patched in {{exists}} or something I should accommodate in {{ganl}}? I appreciate your help czar ♔ 13:01, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I'll tell you how they are different:

• {{urlencode:[[:{{FULLPAGENAME:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}}]]}} → %5B%5B%3ATalk%3ATony+Hawk%26%2339%3Bs+Underground%2FGA1%5D%5D
• {{urlencode:{{:Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1}}}} → %3D%3DGA+Review%3D%3D%0A%3Ctable+class%3D%22sidebar+nomobile+nowraplinks+wikitable+plainlinks%22+style%3D%22width%3Aauto%22%3E%3Ctr%3E%3Cth+class%3D%22sidebar-title%22%3EGA+toolbox%3C%2Fth%3E%3C%2Ftr%3E%3Ctr%3E%3Ctd+class%3D%22sidebar-content%22+style%3D%22font-size%3A110%25%3Bpadding-top%3A0.2em%3Bline-height%3A1.6em%3B%22%3E%0A%3Cdiv+class%3D%22plainlist%22%3E%3Cul%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5Btoolforge%3Acopyvios%2F%3Flang%3Den%26project%3Dwikipedia%26oldid%3D%26action%3Dsearch%26use_engine%3D1%26use_links%3D1%26turnitin%3D1%26title%3DRedrose64%7CCopyvio+detector%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5Bxtools%3Aauthorship%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2FRedrose64%7CAuthorship%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5Btoolforge%3Alink-dispenser%2Fanalyze%2FRedrose64%7CExternal+links%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Ful%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Ftd%3E%0A%3C%2Ftr%3E%3Ctr%3E%3Cth+class%3D%22sidebar-heading%22%3E%0AReviewing%3C%2Fth%3E%3C%2Ftr%3E%3Ctr%3E%3Ctd+class%3D%22sidebar-content%22+style%3D%22font-size%3A110%25%3Bpadding-top%3A0.2em%3Bline-height%3A1.6em%3B%22%3E%0A%3Cdiv+class%3D%22plainlist%22%3E%3Cul%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5BWikipedia%3AGood+article+nominations%2Ftemplates%7CTemplates%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5BWikipedia%3AGood+article+criteria%7CCriteria%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3Cli+style%3D%22text-align%3Acenter%3B%22%3E%5B%5BWikipedia%3AGood+article+nominations%2FInstructions%23Reviewing%7CInstructions%5D%5D%3C%2Fli%3E%3C%2Ful%3E%3C%2Fdiv%3E%3C%2Ftd%3E%0A%3C%2Ftr%3E%3C%2Ftable%3E%0A%3A%27%27This+review+is+%5B%5BWP%3Atransclusion%7Ctranscluded%5D%5D+from+%5B%5BTalk%3ATony+Hawk%26%2339%3Bs+Underground%2FGA1%5D%5D.+The+edit+link+for+this+section+can+be+used+to+add+comments+to+the+review.%27%27%0A%0A%27%27%27Reviewer%3A%27%27%27+%5B%5BUser%3AProtoDrake%7CProtoDrake%5D%5D%26nbsp%3B%28%5B%5BUser+talk%3AProtoDrake%7Ctalk%5D%5D+%27%27%27%C2%B7%27%27%27+%5B%5BSpecial%3AContributions%2FProtoDrake%7Ccontribs%5D%5D%29+08%3A26%2C+25+June+2014+%28UTC%29%0A%0A%0AIt+will+probably+take+me+a+few+days+to+read+through+the+article+properly+and+get+back+with+comments%2C+but+I+will+do+my+very+best.+--%5B%5BUser%3AProtoDrake%7CProtoDrake%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BUser+talk%3AProtoDrake%7Ctalk%5D%5D%29+08%3A26%2C+25+June+2014+%28UTC%29%0A%3AThank+you%21+%5B%5BUser%3ATezero%7CTezero%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BUser+talk%3ATezero%7Ctalk%5D%5D%29+16%3A33%2C+25+June+2014+%28UTC%29%0A%0A%7B%7C+border%3D%220%22+cellpadding%3D%2210%22+cellspacing%3D%2210%22+align%3D%22center%22%0A%7C-+align%3D%22center%22%0A%7C+style%3D%22border%3A+1px+solid+%23BBB%3B%22+width%3D%22775pt%22+%7C+%27%27%27%5B%5BWP%3AGAN%7CGood+Article%5D%5D+review+progress+box%27%27%27%0A%7B%7C%0A%7C-%0A%7C+%27%27%27%5B%5BWikipedia%3AGood+article+criteria%7CCriteria%5D%5D%3A%27%27%27+1a.+%27%27%27prose+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+1b.+%27%27%27%5B%5BMOS%3A%7CMoS%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+2a.+%27%27%27%5B%5BMOS%3ANOTES%7Cref+layout%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+2b.+%27%27%27cites+%5B%5BWP%3ARS%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+2c.+%27%27%27no+%5B%5BWP%3AOR%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+2d.+%27%27%27no+%5B%5BWP%3ACV%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+comment+2.png++++%7C+Unknown%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27%0A%7C-%0A%7C%0A%7C-+align%3D%22center%22%0A%7C+3a.+%27%27%27broadness+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+3b.+%27%27%27focus+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+4.+%27%27%27%5B%5BWP%3ANPOV%7Cneutral%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+5.+%27%27%27%5B%5BWP%3AEW%7Cstable%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+6a.+%27%27%27%5B%5BWP%3AIUP%7Cfree+or+tagged+images%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27+6b.+%27%27%27pics+relevant+%28%5B%5BFile%3ASymbol+support+vote.svg+%7C+Pass%7C16px%7Calt%3D%7Clink%3D%5D%5D%29%27%27%27%0A%7C-%0A%7C+%3Csmall%3E%3Cem%3ENote%3A+this+represents+where+the+article+stands+relative+to+the+%5B%5BWP%3AGACR%7CGood+Article+criteria%5D%5D.+Criteria+marked+%5B%5BImage%3ASymbol+comment+2.png%7C14px%5D%5D+are+unassessed%3C%2Fem%3E%3C%2Fsmall%3E%0A%7C%7D%0A%7C%7D%0ARight%2C+those+were+my+findings.+An+instant+%27%27%27Pass%27%27%27.+Excellent+work.+--%5B%5BUser%3AProtoDrake%7CProtoDrake%5D%5D+%28%5B%5BUser+talk%3AProtoDrake%7Ctalk%5D%5D%29+08%3A45%2C+29+June+2014+%28UTC%29

As you can see, the first one is encoding the ' as %26%2339%3B and the second one is correctly encoding it as %27 which means they are not equal... You could have it strip out apostrophes I suppose and then they would be equal... — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:13, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Expand: The other thing you can do is replace the apostrophe with ".27" which is the dot encoded version of the apoptrophe which the mediawiki parser seems to prefer like:

• {{exists|page=Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|then=([[Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|nom]])|else=('''<span class='plainlinks'>[{{fullurl:Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload}} start]</span>''')}}
• {{exists|page=Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|then=([[Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|nom]])|else=('''<span class='plainlinks'>[{{fullurl:Talk:Tony Hawk.27s Underground/GA1|action=edit&editintro=Template:GAN/editintro&preload=Template:GAN/preload}} start]</span>''')}}

I hope this is helpful. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:19, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I went with Czar's suggestion, except that instead of using {{#replace:}} (which isn't installed) I used {{replace}}. See Template:GAN link/testcases now. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:25, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

I just fixed the template for you... I just wrapped the sections with the page names to test against in urlencode: and now it works. Czar, Redrose64. diff. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Ha, editing past each other... I'll revert my change to ganl, undo your change to exists, and apply my change instead. That will likely be the best fix as it should fix any character that has an issue (I'm sure there are other obscure ones out there). — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:32, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, all czar ♔ 13:37, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, so I've undone my edit to Template:GAN_link, and replaced Red's change with a more inclusive solution on Template:Exists. Everything should work correctly now. Happy editing! — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 13:48, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Except that it doesn't. Of the seven entries in the first and second sections of Template:GAN link/testcases, six (those for Saints Row 2 (mobile) and Tony Hawk's Underground) correctly show a "start" link, because the GA pages (Talk:Saints Row 2 (mobile)/GA1, Talk:Saints Row 2 (mobile)/GA2, Talk:Tony Hawk's Underground/GA1) don't exist. However, the entries for Saints Row: The Third show a "start" link, but should show a "nom" link, because Talk:Saints Row: The Third/GA1 exists. This was working correctly after my edit to {{exists}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 15:46, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

• I've adjusted it so they are all working now. What is your concern about the transclusions? Is it just that they are counted as transcluded or are you worried about page size? If the latter, we can apply one of the trim modules to chop the number of characters from the transclusion off at the length of the input string. There isn't much to do about the other except decide if it is better or worse than hitting max expensive parser function call limit. Well, I do remember writing some kind of script that assessed if the page existed on the viewers local page which would eliminate the need for either method, but people complained they didn't want to have to use a script. — {{U|Technical 13}} ^{(e • t • c)} 16:28, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Misuse of {{Good Article}}

Moved to Wikipedia talk:Good article nominations § Misuse of Good article

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Thanks for stoppping by California Chrome and catching the missing URL problem. (How the heck did THAT happen? I ask myself...) I have the article up for PR, so any other helpful things are welcomed! Montanabw<sup>(talk)</sup> 21:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@Montanabw: I have a small customisation that helps locate such errors. If you don't see a red error message from here →← to here or from here →← to here, you could try adding this CSS:

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to Special:MyPage/common.css and it should reveal two error messages. If it does, re-visit this version. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I've never done css stuff, I always panic at the "this could change your computer" message . heh. Montanabw<sup>(talk)</sup> 22:33, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

@Montanabw: It's a standard message that causes unnecessary worry; it's perhaps more applicable to javascript pages. There's really nothing that you can do in CSS that will harm anything permanently, and you won't affect anybody else by modifying a CSS page in your own user space. CSS just alters how a page looks - such as colours, fonts, borders and spacing, it doesn't manipulate data. It is possible to use CSS to make the whole page - or just part of it - invisible (I'm not going to say how); but that's not something that you would stumble upon by accident. For instance, if in the above CSS, you were to mistype a word, or omit some punctuation, one of two things could happen: either it works as intended, or it does nothing. The only way that you could get it to work, but not in the intended manner, would be a typo that was itself valid CSS - such as using yellow instead of red. But some typos are harmless: in the above line of CSS, the second semicolon may safely be omitted, as may all of the spaces except the one before !important --Redrose64 (talk) 23:07, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

locomotive articles

Hello, Essex locomotive enthusiast here,are there any other articles that need expanding about preserved locomotives? ,regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Essexlocomotiventhusiast (talk • contribs) 16:02, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Your list of 'fastest production cars'

Hi, great post on the above mentioned subject, thanx. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I noticed that the Hennessey Venom was not included in your list of cars. I have read that it recently beat the Veyron Supersport's top speed by achieving a speed of 270,49 mph. Surely the Venom must have achieved amazing stats in terms of acceleration and qautermile time/speed. The car was still accelerating at a rate of 1 mile per second when that speed was recorded but ran out of track and had to decelerate. Does the Venom not deserve a spot on your list of cars and if so, will you please update it or do you stick to strict terms and conditions when drawing up such a list? Thanx for reading and keep up the good work — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.13.232.235 (talk) 18:08, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

??? The only edit I made to that article was this one. --Redrose64 (talk) 19:05, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Historic houses task force

Hi, can you or User:Frietjes edit Template:Photomontage to make the montage on the page horizontal and centrally aligned, with the possibility of adding new rows. I tried adding photos where it says b and c etc and it doesn't work.♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:32, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@Dr. Blofeld: There seem to be seven images specified at Wikipedia:WikiProject Architecture/Historic houses task force but only six were displayed; the non-display of File:Blenheim Palace 2006.jpg would have been fixed with this edit but I see that the page has changed to not use {{Photomontage}}. Photomontage won't allow you to put them all in one row, because (despite what it says about 7 columns) it can handle a maximum of 5 per row. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

FYI

Hello Redrose64. Recently, you blocked Plesniva prdel (talk · contribs) (in English: Moldy Ass) and Biedronka EN (talk · contribs). I'm just letting you know about some context. Thank you. --Vejvančický (talk / contribs) 11:49, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

The Grouping

Wikisource has the full text of the relveant Railways Act, thank to someone ;) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 11:57, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

@ShakespeareFan00: Yes, I have a paper copy as well as an online link. Which of my edits is this in relation to? --Redrose64 (talk) 18:52, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

You'd made comment about someone refering to a Grouping Act of 1923.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 09:46, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

@Sfan00 IMG: Ah yes, the thing is, the Act was passed by Parliament during 1921, and received Royal Assent on 19 August 1921, and its short title is the Railways Act 1921, so it's an Act of 1921, not of 1923. Most of its direct effects took place on 1 January 1923, that being the date laid down in Sections 2 & 4 by which any voluntary amalgamations had to occur; but several amalgamations had occurred before that, such as the LNWR with the LYR, the GWR with the larger Welsh railways, the NER with the H&BR. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:24, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Demo or code example.

Hi Redrose64, I noticed you rolled back one of my edits, I have 2 points for you to consider; 1. This roll-back leaves a permanent error in a page that is not designed to "hold" these errors, either as an assist to fixing these errors or applying such references, I note user Wtmitchell has added some comments and examples and commented them out to avoid such rendering. 2. The correct way to code nested references that is currently supported by wiki is listed in the help pages which all users can refer to, if we can update the help pages as to the best approach for this advanced approach, its limitations etc, would this not be the best place to hold this test case/demo as this archived VP technical page will rarely be referred to again. Your thoughts and kind regards.The Original Filfi (talk) 02:01, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

It wasn't a WP:ROLLBACK, it was a WP:UNDO. Besides Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting and Category:Pages with broken reference names, the page is in several other tracking categories: Category:Pages with score rendering errors; ; Category:CS1 errors: dates; Category:Pages using web citations with no URL - is it your intention to "fix" these as well? Please don't, it's an archive page, which is supposed to show the situation as it was at the time that the problem was raised. If Wtmitchell (talk · contribs) elected to amend his own posts while they were still on the main WP:VPT page, he was entirely within WP:TPG in doing so.

You claim "this archived VP technical page will rarely be referred to again" - I beg to differ. At WP:VPT, we often direct people back to archived discussions, because the same things come up again and again. In the current version of the page, I count six links back to archived discussions, including one to the archive in question - Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#Wikimedia Foundation Error. There are also links from Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 127#Migrating Reflinks, Dab solver, and User:Dispenser's other tools to Tool Labs (to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#When will the Reflinks tool be moved to the stable server?) and from Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 124#Search algorithm and search engine issues (to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 123#Tech News: 2014-07), so we do refer back to old discussions. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Template etiquette

I am curious, is there a preference that template parameters be written in lowercase; making it poor form to incorporate parameters that begin with a capital letter? I ask because I configured a template's syntax with parameters that began with a capital letter and was befuddled that it didn't work properly, reviewed the internal code, and realized that only "all lowercase" parameters were used. I would have added the additional functionality of recognizing the form beginning with a capital letter as well, but didn't want to promote poor etiquette if that is an issue. Thank you for considering this question.—John Cline (talk) 20:11, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@John Cline: It depends upon the template, and also depends upon whether you are concerned with parameter names or their values. For example, in a commonly-used template like {{citation needed|date=June 2014}}, there is one parameter: its name is date and its value is June 2014. It's quite easy to make parameter values case-insensitive, but not parameter names - each different possibility needs to be coded separately, and this adds complexity to the template and increases processing time. In most cases, parameter names are lowercase, but not necessarily. It's largely down to the template's creator. Some complex templates use lowercase for the commonly-used parameters, but uppercase for the rarely-used "specials". Which template are you working on? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:26, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

• (talk page stalker), it depends on the template, and how it was coded in the original author's design. It would be near impossible to accommodate for every possible casing possible and would result in template bloat. Using the "date" example, it would be a matter of at least offering {{{DATE|{{{Date|{{{date|default}}}}}}}}} compared to just {{{date|default}}}. The more different parameters, the bigger a problem this becomes. There is a similar issue with whether or not to use spaces, underscore, or neither. — {{U|Technical 13}} <sup>(e • t • c)</sup> 20:32, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you both. I was using {{Testcases side by side}} and formated my syntax using T3= and T4= which of course currently requires t3= and t4=. Also {{Testcases side by side by side}} is similar. Incidentally, do you think those two templates could be effectively merged?—John Cline (talk) 20:39, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

I am intriguingly challenged

Hello Redrose64, again. I have run into a template challenge that I can not parse. I am confident that you will see the clear answer and bring me to understand; so I ask: Consider: {{Testcases side by side by side}}. The template, along with {{Testcases side by side by side/sandbox}} and {{Testcases side by side by side/sandbox2}} are the default values for the corresponding sides by side. By what appears to be a complicated construction, the {{documentation}} forms with {{Template:Documentation/end box}} incorporated at the bottom. Within the end box, the main /sandbox, and /testcases pages are linked; I would like /sandbox2 to appear there as well. Is this possible, and can I accomplish that goal?—John Cline (talk) 05:39, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The {{documentation}} template has been converted to Lua, and the code is now in Module:Documentation. This means that not only is {{Documentation/end box}} not used, but the code no longer bears any relation to Wiki markup, and is now much more difficult to understand. I do not maintain, nor offer code change suggestions for, Lua-based modules.

However, I will say this: the use of a /sandbox2 subpage is so rare that you would need to produce a convincing reason why the link needs to be added. If you look at the archives of Template talk:Documentation, you will see several denied requests for additional links. --Redrose64 (talk) 10:50, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I looked at {{Testcase table}} and was equally lost. To me, it is so dissimilar to what I am aware of that I don't even see its template equivalence. Is there a plan to discontinue templates of old in favor of this "module format"? I hope not. Thanks again.—John Cline (talk) 13:00, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Some people seem to be on a drive to convert every template to a Lua module, on the grounds that it's "easier" to carry out certain tasks, besides being faster. This is justifiable for some of the very complex high-use templates, like {{cite book}}, but less so for others. Unfortunately, the number of people who can understand Lua is small compared to the number who can understand template coding (template coding is just an extension of regular Wiki markup), and so that puts module maintenance into the hands of a privileged few - just check the revision history of any module picked at random to see how many different people have amended that module. Try it for ten or a dozen modules, you'll find the same names come up again and again. In the worst cases, only the module's creator has carried out all of the amendments, and so the problem comes of what happens when that person leaves? It's what a former supervisor of mine described as a "write-only language" - one person writes the code, which after a few fixes over a week or two, works as intended; six months later, they're asked for an enhancement, and can't remember why it was coded in the way that it was, and it's easier to just start again from scratch. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:19, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Talkback

{{talkback|WP:MCQ|Photo is licensed as a book cover, but clearly isn't|ts=17:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)}} ww2censor (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Evil of the Daleks

Hi RedRose64,

Why did you revert my addition to The Evil of the Daleks?

All I did was add information about the last known complete print.

Did you not find that of interest, or worthwhile?

KenJacowitz — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenJacowitz (talk • contribs) 22:04, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

@KenJacowitz: Most of it - that not directly related to The Evil of the Daleks - didn't belong there at all. Of the little that would have remained, some was obvious speculation, contrary to WP:NOR; and all of it was unsourced, contrary to WP:V. All in all, it seemed like a WP:HOAX. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:27, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Source"

http://missingepisodes.blogspot.com/p/timeline.html

1975

June 4: BBC London received a shipment of films from the ABC in Australia. The batch consisted of The Space Museum 1 2 3 4, The Chase 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Time Meddler 1 2 3 4, Galaxy 4 1 2 3 4, The Myth Makers 1 2 3 4, The Ark 1 2 3 4, The Smugglers 1 2 3 4, The Tenth Planet 1 2 3 4, The Power of the Daleks 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Underwater Menace 1 2 3 4, The Moonbase 1 2 3 4, The Faceless Ones 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Evil of the Daleks 1 2 3 4 5 6 7, The Tomb of the Cybermen 1 2 3 4, The Abominable Snowmen 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Ice Warriors 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Enemy of the World 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Web of Fear 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Dominators 1 2 3 4 5, The Mind Robber 1 2 3 4 5, The Invasion 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8, The Seeds of Death 1 2 3 4 5 6, The Space Pirates 1 2 3 4 5 6, The War Games 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10. It is often believed that many orphaned episodes recovered over the years – such as Galaxy 4 3, The Underwater Menace 2, The Faceless Ones 3, The Evil of the Daleks 2, The Web of Fear 1, The Dominators 5 etc – stem from this shipment, which could’ve gone ‘walkies’ when scheduled for destruction. It is interesting to note that a copy of The Chase 1 and an edited copy of The Faceless Ones 1 were both found to exist in Australia in the late-1970s, despite being sent back to BBC London – either they never made it back or the ABC made copies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenJacowitz (talk • contribs) 22:31, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

It's a blog. Such sources are almost always inadmissible, see WP:SPS and WP:IRS. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:46, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Redrose64,

I will try to do better.

KenJacowitz — Preceding unsigned comment added by KenJacowitz (talk • contribs) 19:00, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Please see my comments at Web colors.

Just letting you know I left a comment at Web colors concerning your revert of my edit there. The reason the other colors are not listed in the CSS section is that it only adds two colors, inheriting the rest from other lists, namely HTML 4 and the X11 colors. PaleAqua (talk) 00:04, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Permission to edit

Hi. It looks like you can temporarily enable editing for people like me. Check this out, please, and let me know either here or there, wherever, if this is possible. Thanks. Marc Bago (talk) 16:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Replied there. Jackmcbarn (talk) 16:30, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @Marc Bago: Replied at Template talk:Citation needed#Edit request - June 23, 2014. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

• Any further comments should be left at Template talk:Citation needed#Edit request - June 23, 2014 per WP:MULTI. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Wiki-style table markup

Moved to Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)/Archive 128 § Missing piece of wiki table syntax/markup?

--Redrose64 (talk) 10:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Horsted Keynes railway station

I undid your reversion of my edit to Horsted Keynes because your version just goes to a redirect page. [ Milton Keynes railway station (disambiguation) redirects to Milton Keynes railway station, which is actually a disambig page(!)]. You were correct in principle but wrong in reality. I agree with the principle that they should be the other way round - but they aren't. I believe it would need a boring RtM procedure to swap them. If you want to do it, I'll support. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 14:06, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

@John Maynard Friedman: Please see WP:INTDABLINK, more specifically, under "When to link to a disambiguation page" the first bullet (Disambiguation hatnotes), also the whole of "How to link to a disambiguation page" particularly "link to the title that includes the text "(disambiguation)", even if that is a redirect". The hatnote should therefore link through the redirect Milton Keynes railway station (disambiguation) and not the unredirected Milton Keynes railway station. --Redrose64 (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Fine, I'm happy to accept that.

As an alternative, how about I change Horstead Keynes to read not to be confused with Milton Keynes Central, which is what I suspect is what was intended in the first place? --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 18:47, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

At the talk:Horsted Keynes railway station#Hatnote, I am now proposing that the hatnote be deleted as it is sledgehammer to crack a poppy seed. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 23:30, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Replied there. --Redrose64 (talk) 06:30, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

GWR 5700 & Images

Thanks for your edit and pointers on image size. I'd tried user preferences for thumbs before and thought it wasn't working - probably because someone had set fixed sizes... I've set it to 220 now so I get the same view as a not-logged in user.

PS - congrats on your 100,000 edits quite a milestone! Robevans123 (talk) 10:45, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

ROF Rotherwas.....Template for the Hereford, Ross and Gloucester Railway.

You have reverted the symbol on the line diagram to its former status. Therefore I will ask you a question.

If trains are laid on to carry the workforce to establishments, as they did on the two examples that I cite why does the line diagram for Singer Works on that loop line in Scotland that avoided Singer railway station carry its symbol for passenger usage but ROF Rotherwas does not on the Hereford, Ross and Gloucester Railway template, despite trains for the workforce being run to and from there?

All I was trying to do was to achieve unanimity of purpose, but do separate ruling for stations in Scotland, Wales and England so apply on Wikipedia ?

I am 69 years of age and have studied railway history as an interest since the early 1960's.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 08:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Were the stations served by timetabled services that were available for the general public to use? --Redrose64 (talk) 09:11, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

ROF Rotherwas and the first station site of Llandudno Junction railway station.

Good morning,

I must confess to being somewhat in quandary with regard to this particular location of ROF Rotherwas. and your very recent reversion of the symbol, which I know full well to have its raison d'etre fo the receipt of goods, but I am led to believe that trains for the use of the workforce were also ran at some period of time which may have qualified a symbol that would suggest this passenger usage. One does but live and learn, even at the advanced age of 69 years of age.

I would like to raise the matter of the first station of Llandudno Junction, as the text matter in the Wikipedia article on that railway station clearly states this was situated to the west of the current railway station. The identical templates for the Chester and Holyhead Railway and the North Wales Coast Line only make reference to the currently open station and make no mention whatsoever of the position of the first railway station.

Paul Sidorczuk (talk) 11:20, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Doubts about the accuracy of an article should be posted at the article's talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Renaming of Proposed rail infrastructure in the United Kingdom subcategories

Please see my proposal to rename Category:Proposed rail transport in England, Category:Proposed rail transport in Scotland, Category:Proposed rail transport in Wales, Category:Proposed rail transport in Northern Ireland, Category:Rail Infrastructure projects in the United Kingdom Category:Transport projects in London & Category:Proposed transport projects in London; all subcategories of Category:Proposed rail infrastructure in the United Kingdom Hugo999 (talk) 13:42, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Borked Palestine flag template

I came across the Palestine name being borked in the {{fb}} template. -> Palestine. I haven't a clue where to do. Any suggestions? Bgwhite (talk) 05:50, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bgwhite: The |altlink=national football team parameter, passed by {{fb}} into {{country data Palestine}}, wasn't being passed on by that into {{flaglink/core}}. This edit should fix it; adding provision for |variant= as well was just a precaution. --Redrose64 (talk) 07:59, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Bgwhite (talk) 08:05, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Notice from Technical 13

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Template Editor User:Technical 13. Thank you. — {{U|Technical 13}} <sup>(e • t • c)</sup> 19:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Paul Angelis

Hi, I see that you have edited the Wiki page for Paul Angelis. I was wondering what you know about him? My understanding is that he is deceased - are you aware of this? Thanks, Michael.

(Redacted) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.208.36.106 (talk) 14:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

My only edit to that page was in the nature of tidying up: I removed some redundant information and unnecessary linking. I know little of the actor himself. If you believe that the information in the article is inaccurate, the best place to discuss that is at Talk:Paul Angelis. It's best to give some reliable sources too, particularly concerning a recent death - the policy on living persons continues to apply for some weeks or even months after a death. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Trains in Trouble

You've got the second imprint of Vol 1, haven't you. Apparently shows an accident to 8F 48616 (see alsp Vol 8, p33). Can you do the honours with the details in the relevant articles please? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjroots (talk • contribs) 07:26, 5 July 2014‎

@Mjroots: Mine's a "first published 1980 sixth impression 1982", the cover photos are (front) Thirsk 1892 and (rear) Cocking 1904 (misdescribed as 1906). --Redrose64 (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. Looks like we'll have to pass on this one. Mjroots (talk) 16:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)