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A cup of tea for you, with my thanks!

Thanks for contributing to the quality of my draft - today is its birthday as a Wikipedia page! ProfessorKaiFlai (talk) 09:52, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ProfessorKaiFlai! And thanks for writing the article; the history is really fascinating. JSFarman (talk) 03:52, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

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Hayden Pedigo Page Edits & Thank you!

Hi JSFarman, Thanks for your comment on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Hayden_Pedigo! I think I've got all the external links cleaned up now. It's my first attempt at making an article on wikipedia and your comment & referring to the documentation really helped out. :) - V

Hi Varthlokur, Thanks for this message (which may be my favorite ever) and congratulations on your first article! I hope you stick around. JSFarman (talk) 16:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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Question about Draft:We Plug Good Music

Hi there, thank you for your feedback on the page we're creating https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:We_Plug_Good_Music

I have found a few more news articles to add to the page, what do you think. Can I add these? Also when I add these, can I leave the Guardian article or should I remove it? Any help would be much appreciated, thank you.

Complex - https://www.complex.com/pigeons-and-planes/2010/09/a-prelude-to-the-future-mixtape

Bella Naija - https://www.bellanaija.com/2010/09/we-plug-good-music-presents-a-prelude-to-the-future/

Flavour Magazine - https://www.flavourmag.co.uk/we-plug-good-music-free-download/

We Plug Good Music also has a Google knowledge panel if that is of any interest https://g.co/kgs/cBmSna

Ayo wpgm (talk) 17:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Hi Ayo wpgm,

First, if I am correct in assuming that your username translates to Ayo We Plug Good Music, you should read conflict of interest guidelines. Also, accounts ae not meant to be shared -- if more than one person is working on the article, each needs to have their own account -- see info on Wikipedia'shared account policy.

To meet the notability criteria, multiple references that provide non-trivial coverage specifically about We Plug Good Music via reliable, independent sources are required. That means the references can't be about records or artists or shows -- they have to be about the company. There is a lot of coverage related to A Prelude to the Future but WPGM isn't heavily referenced. I don't see any references that go toward the company's notability. ("Independent" and "reliable" are the key words here.) Maybe an article on Ayo? (Not saying that they would meet notability, just that it seems more likely based on my searches.)

It can be very difficult for companies (particularly marketing/branding/PR companies) to meet the notability criteria. That said, another reviewer might feel differently - articles that I've declined have been accepted by other reviewers several times. So: if you add the references (or do any substantial edit) you should resubmit. (The queue has gone way down at AfC - it will not take that long!) JSFarman (talk) 17:30, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you JSFarman I have added a conflict of interest notice in my talk page following the guidelines as best as I understood them, thank you for your help. The coverage related to 'A Prelude to the Future' is a project that We Plug Good Music worked on, hence why the articles typically say We Plug Good Music presents 'A Prelude to the Future' but I appreciate your help and feedback and suggestions, I'll look to add more relevant articles taking note of your feedback and hopefully it is accepted Ayo wpgm (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

New section

Following up on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Jon_Myer

Thank you for walking this wet-behind-the-ears Wikipedia newbie through this process as I attempt to get this page published. I think I have done all proper attributions, but I could be wrong.

Jon Myer is my late father and I want to honor him without any bias. As a scientist he would have wanted nothing less.

Eric Meyer! Great edit and congratulations on your first article. I hope you stick around! JSFarman (talk) 18:11, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for all of your help! Eric Myer (talk) 18:22, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Spotify revision

Hi JSFarman,

Responding to your edits. I did not write or publish the quote you removed and am no longer associated with Spotify. That was submitted by a different contributor to Wikipedia. I made no contributions to the article, aside from adding the second founders name and cleaning up some punctuation/wording errors. Please revert to the previous version, as there was no conflict of interest or publishing of additional content.

Thanks so much,

sethfarbman

Sethfarbman (talk) 16:08, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Sethfarbman (talk), I googled you, you have an amazing history (and a ton of press) and I am now adding you to the list of articles that I want to write. That said, changing "mocked" to "shared" is not correcting wording and adding the Interbrand ranking is not a neutral edit. (Thanks for correcting the co-founder's name.)

The quote was an edit made by a sockpuppet (who is now blocked). If it added anything to the Spotify article I would restore it but in my opinion it does not. Feel free to request that it be restored on the talk page of the article. Thanks for the message! JSFarman (talk) 16:28, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

AfC re-reviews

Hi! Thank you so much for doing the re-reviews. If I can make a request: would you mind signing your re-reviews? It confuses the bot, and SineBot doesn't touch those pages for some reason. Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!) 08:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Enterprisey (talk!) - Sorry about that! I have some serious brain fog lately. So grand that I'm leaving evidence of it on Wikipedia, where it will be forever preserved. Thanks for being way more polite than you need to be (and for leading the backlog drive; the queue was mind-boggling.) JSFarman (talk) 17:34, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Walter The WonderDog

Hey — just stumbled upon your user page, and saw the picture of Walter. What a cute dog! :) And looks very similar to ours. What breed(s) is he? (Sorry, none of my business, of course, just being nosey. If you don't want to answer, no worries.) Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:34, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello DoubleGrazing (talk)! I LOVE Walter! He isn't my dog; he belongs to a friend but I like to pretend he's mine. He's a shih tzu poodle mutt mix. I have a chi/italian greyhound mix, Prince Jr., who is not nearly as photogenic as Walter but ridiculous nonetheless. (Prince Jr. was his shelter name - I kept it because it's so stupid.) What breed is your dog?!?

Just read your user page and it is so good to meet you. I have found that people who have been around Wikipedia since the early days are pretty cliquey and not entirely welcoming. Thank you for the message x 1000. JSFarman (talk) 21:58, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for responding, and good to meet you too (or should I say, you two... or three?)! Wow, wouldn't have guessed shih-dle (is that a word?) And Ital-chi, another interesting combo. (Oh and Prince Jr is such a cool name, I bet he prances around like the King-of-the-World-in-waiting that he no doubt is!) Ours is a Border collie x poodle (= bordoodle or colliepoo... somehow I prefer the former); quite small, much smaller than collie, but a very sassy girl; also, the cleverest member of the household, and doesn't she know it! :) Cheers, --DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:51, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Hiya DoubleGrazing (talk)! Bordoodle?!? Definitely better than Ital-chi, and way way better than Greyhuahua. I met a SaintBernaDoodle not too long ago, which, if nothing else, is fun to say. (He was massive.)

Sounds like your Bordoodle and Prince Jr. would get along famously! He is convinced that he is incredibly smart and I cant argue, given that he is an 11-pound dog who somehow became the Boss of Me. Oy! JSFarman (talk) 18:27, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Sheila Schwartz page

Thanks for the compliment on this new page. Glad you liked it.

I came to it by reading a Dan Chaon novel, thinking about improving his page, and as I read about him realizing that his wife's page was inappropriately missing, with a lot to say there. I still may improve his page, later.

I suggested some to-dos on the talk page for Sheila - I generally don't mess with pictures & infoboxes, for example. Sullidav (talk) 01:18, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello again Sullidav,

Dan Chaon's article is in desperate need of an update. I did an edit on it a few years ago, and have added very basic information since, but there is so much more to his story.

I reviewed the article (so it will appear in search) and added an infobox. I also tweaked the first sentence to remove "prize winning" as I never perceive it as neutral. (Feel free to replace it, I thik it is a suggestion and a preference rather than a rule.) Dan Chaon and I are connected via Twitter; I will ask him for a photo of Sheila.

I read all of his short stories before I hit the novels. One short story changed my life; I quit smoking in part because of the succinct and powerful line about a character dying of lung cancer: "The cigarettes kept their promise." Ill Will (which also needs an article of its own) is one of the most harrowing and brilliant books I've ever read.

Hope our paths cross again! JSFarman (talk) 17:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, JSFarman. Thanks for the review & the infobox. Please let Dan C know about the page for Sheila - he's welcome to point out any errors, of which I'm sure there are some. I will rework his page sometime. I personally like "prizewinning" as a brief flag to reasons she is notable, but I see your point & could add a 2nd sentence to the lede with the details.

Sullidav (talk) 05:34, 22 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks again. I did the non-books half of my contemplated update/improvement to Dan Chaon's page. I welcome any reaction. There are a few more details I could add, and a few open questions noted on the talk page, before possibly sometime turning to the books half of that update.

So which of his books should I read next? I am thinking a book of stories, maybe Among the Missing. I had picked up Await Your Reply a year or two ago based on this blurb in a Cleveland alternative weekly, and its statement that two characters in the novel had attended the same middle and high schools that I did. And I finally got around to reading the book last week, now am ready for more. Sullidav (talk) 15:28, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

@ Sullidav, Good morning (or afternoon in Cleveland). Just saw the Dan Chaon edit. So psyched to see the article growing. I did a minor edit; while Among the Missing was a National Book Award finalist, Ill Will was probably on of the most acclaimed books (by critics) of 2017. Odd that it appeared on so many "Best of" lists yet did not win any substantial prizes.

Love that you wnt to school with characters that appear the book! And what a great way to discover a writer. I found him because I read a review that compared him to some of my favorite writers: Lorrie Moore and Mary Gaitskill in particular.

If you appreciate dark writing/outlook, you will love Ill Will. But I also loved Fitting Ends (an easier read) and Stay Awake and You Remind Me of Me. I think I read them in order. He has a new book coming out next year. PHEW.

If you are on Twitter you should tweet him - @danchaon. I sent him an email but I'm not sure he ever reads the ones that are sent to the address on his website. We connected originaly b/c I tweeted that his photo was gonna be removed from Wikipedia! JSFarman (talk) 16:53, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, JSFarman. I no longer live in Cleveland Heights, but still get there several times per year to visit family.

If you are doing more edits, esp think about (& fix) the placement of the DNA para - I was not sure whether it fits better under childhood or personal life, and where in either section. I think it seems to distort either section a bit, but it does not warrant a new section.

And the awards list could be expanded to include the 3 Ill Will nominations - I was mostly using older sources and did not get to those. Sullidav (talk) 17:51, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

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Brody Brown

Hi there!

Thanks for creating a page for Brody Brown. How do you know him?

Cheers, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 23:32, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hiya MarioSoulTruthFan and thank you. I was going to tell you that I was working on an article when we first crossed paths but I did not want you to feel obligated to help. I was so psyched when you did - there is not a lot of info out there about him. Which is strange given his credits.

I have lived and worked in the music business in LA for a gazillion years. I met Brody at a Grammy party a long time ago - I think it was a Cee Lo thing so maybe 2010? (I can't believe it's been that long.) I haven't seen him in a long time, but then again, nobody really invites me to those parties anymore.  :) JSFarman (talk) 16:38, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

That wouldn't be a problem as I could maybe provide sources, but I believe you found everything. There is also an extensive interview on Youtube that he talks about his work. People behind-the-scenes don't get much credit.

That would be a dream job for me :D. Well, the Grammys for that song were back in 2011, since the song was released before in 2010 before the period "qualification" ended. Why are you not invited? Aren't you an executive producer? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:15, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

MarioSoulTruthFan how did you get into Bruno Mars? Are there other artists you are as passionate about? (The articles related to Bruno are A+.)

I am exaggerating about not being invited to the Grammy parties - I still go -- but I blog and have alienated a good 80% of the music industry. This post was also reprinted in Hits. I was mostly joking but apparently not everyone figured that out.

I'm not an EP but I worked at E! as a talent producer for a long time. (I had a supervising producer credit on a Mariah special but other than that no big credits.) I was a publicist before that. And I booked a punk rock club in Boston before that! I started working in music when I was 17.

Do you live in LA, by any chance, and if so, are you over 21? If you are I will invite you to the next soiree that I am invited to with a + 1. Might not be until 2030, of course. JSFarman (talk) 17:59, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

Well, it started back in 2010 with "Nothin' on You", and I thought "this guy is good". Then I saw some live shows I was mesmerized, he is a phenomenal performer. Nonetheless, I don't enjoy everything he releases. Not as passionate about it, but I do enjoy other musicians, from Akon to ZZ Top, as long as the music is good. (Thanks for the compliment, it is really appreciated.)

I read the post, outstanding writing skills. I'm not trying to assume anything, but I know the music industry can be very disappointing and money-driven. Well, I got it when you were talking about killing yourself three times in a row if you missed Fergie or Fitz and The Tantrums, despite the fact that the party at Atlantic sucks on the latter. Nonetheless, that's really fulfilling and exciting! Booking bands, writing music articles!

Unfortunately, I live in Europe. However, I'm over 21. Ahah, I guess I will have to wait for that soiree. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:53, 1 September 2021 (UTC)

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COI Request to Improve Black Girls Rock!

Hello User:JSFarman. I work with Black Girls Rock!, and therefore have a conflict of interest (COI) relationship. The organization is now much more than an awards show, so this article is quite out of date. I believe in adhering to the Wikipedia rules, so I’m looking for an editor that can help me improve this page. I was wondering if you might find it a good use of your time to help with article improvements? I look forward to your reply. Thank you, G Smiley BGR (talk) 16:29, 19 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi G Smiley BGR. It looks like my favorite new editor, SyLvRuUz, has edited the article. Thanks for asking! JSFarman (talk) 16:49, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Hello User:JSFarman. Thank you so much for your response! I have found a couple of editors interested in helping update the page. Have a good one. G Smiley BGR (talk) 16:21, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Angela_Stone

Hi,

I have heavily edited this according to your rejection and note that it previously read like an advertisement.

I would appreciate if you could kindly relook at it.

Many thanks, Henry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FlowerHenry (talk • contribs) 02:10, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi FlowerHenry, thanks for the edit. I removed the Wikipedia ref and the Goodreads ref - neither are valid -- and accepted the article. I don't think it will survive if it is nominated for deletion, but thanks for your perseverance. JSFarman (talk) 02:28, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

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Nocturnal Omissions (Band) - references

Hi Julie,

Please help me so that we can improve our sources to meet the base level to meet your criteria. All of our references except our band site and label are independent sources over which we have no influence. We were mentioned in two more online publications this week one in France and the other in Germany.

We keep getting: "None of the references currently used are valid; they must be via reliable, independent sources, and extensive coverage specifically about Nocturnal Omissions is required."

In an attempt to compare it against the artist with an album with our band name, We have significantly more independent sources.

• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreams_So_Real - had only two potential notable sources which are billboards (the link that doesn't work anymore) and the AllMusic catalog.
• https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nocturnal_Omissions - has no references whatsoever

For your requirements, we only really meet some: [Done] Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.[note 1] [Done] This criterion includes published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, books, magazine articles, online versions of print media, and television documentaries[note 2] except for the

[We chose to remain on our own label, but we have released albums since 2002] Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable). -- Note our label only has two artists and has been around since 2018.

We have been featured on the radio in the UK, US and are currently in rotation in Brazil and on Latin America radio. - Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network. - Brazil and Columbia, a few weeks on one UK station. - Has been a featured subject of a substantial broadcast segment across a national radio or television network.

Allmusic.com also confirms that our discography is being added to their catalog and once up, I can reference that also.

As this becomes Dream So Real's only credible source, would it be an appropriate enough source for us to use?

Thanks, Dan — Preceding unsigned comment added by IndieArtistsFan66 (talk • contribs) 20:26, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dan I just did a search for more sources, and came up with a ton for the UK Nocturnal Emissions, who are a band (not the album referenced above). If you have sources that are independent and reliable that provide extensive coverage, you should add them to the draft -- (right now I'm seeing only seeing unreliable sources and sources related to the band.) If there is significant radio play, or the band has been featured in a significant broadcast segment, you should also provide verification. The band Dream's So Real released two records on Arista, which confers notability, but I agree, the article on the record (Nocturnal Emissions) does not establish notability.

References don't have to be in English, and they don't have to be online, provided that you have the publication name, date of publication, and (preferably) the author name. AllMusic is not a valid source unless there is editorial (biography) that was written by an AllMusic staff writer or a prominent freelancer. Feel free to hit me back when you find more refs - would love to help you get an article published! JSFarman (talk) 15:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft Article Question

Hi there,

A group of us are working on the following page - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Sean_Bush#

You recently cited that the page does not have enough external sources to qualify as notable. Although multiple sources are listed can you clarify as we also cited multiple articles and other wiki pages? After the last round, we spoke to the live chat team and they mentioned his work as a scholar. Below are several examples of other scholars within Wikipedia with similar or less references. We are just not clear as Dr Bush has been a celebrity since his Venom ER days which we also listed in his filmography section.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_Seifert (this person references Dr Bush in his articles)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henk_Tennekes_(toxicologist)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua_Perper

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octavio_Augusto_Ceva_Antunes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_Alvarez-Cohen

Thanks and we look forward to your feedback, Nicole Beansalad3 (talk) 17:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nicole,

The existence of one article does not justify the existence of another; see Other stuff exists. And being a "celebrity" does not confer notability. (I found this out the first time I wrote an article - I brought up that the subject of the article had a gazillion google hits and was essentially laughed out of the chat room.)

I am not all that familiar with the notability criteria related to medical professionals. I applied the general notability criteria; Sean Bush does not meet the criteria based on the current draft of the article. You can post at the AfC Help Desk and someone with more expertise in the area may re-review the draft.

I think you would be better served by focusing more narrowly on his expertise and describing him as a "snake venom expert" in the lede. There are sources that provide sufficient coverage (which are not currently referenced): CBS News , The New York Times , NBC News , Chicago Tribune , The Wall Street Journal , the the Orange County Register and many others.

Etc

I would suggest that you simplify the article, break it into sections that reflect his many roles. Move all of his affiliations into one paragraph with a relevant heading.

Please note that my response and my suggestions are based on my interpretation of the notability criteria (and my experience as a reader). Another reviewer might feel differently.

Finally, who are "we"? If you are working on the article collaboratively (and you do not have a conflict of interest) all good, but more than one person editing under the same user account is not permitted. JSFarman (talk) 19:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

I think that Wikipedia:Notability (academics) is relevant here. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 19:20, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

And there you have it. Cullen328 is a reviewer and an admin and (IMHO) whatever he says goes. I still think the article needs to be more focused but at least you know that notability will be met. (Thanks Cullen328.) JSFarman (talk) 19:46, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words, JSFarman, but I am just another editor with a few extra buttons. What needs to be determined is the impact of his work which has been published in peer reviewed academic journals on other academics, which usually means how frequently his work is cited in other academic journal articles. This is not an area where I have expertise (I only have a bachelor's degree) but I am just bringing this forth as a strong possibility based on what I see in the draft. Technically, I am a reviewer because I am an administrator, but I only occasionally accept AFC drafts. If any editor who is skilled in assessing academic notability concludes that he is notable, I will accept it. And I will look more deeply. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 03:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

Using the Google Scholar search tool, I see that academic journal articles with him as the lead author being cited 93, 86 and 77 times. I see articles with him as a co-author being cited 159, 91 and 52 times. And there are many more cited articles. That is very positive evidence, in my opinion. Possibly, snakebite scholars are cited more than scholars working in less dramatic topic areas. I do not know about that, but I do believe that this draft deserves a topic expert assessment. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

I think he meets GNG given the additional sources above, although I believe that if we are conferring notability based on his scholarly work it should be more prominent in the article. Also - those cite numbers aren't too impressive. I mean, my paper on being self-righteous was cited by 60000000000 other scholars. Smiley face. JSFarman (talk) 03:21, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Draft: Joshua Scott Jones

I'd love comments, a reviewer, or additional edits for my Draft: Joshua Scott Jones AFC submission. The draft is in the eight week bucket right now. Most of the drafts in that bucket have prior rejections or comments. This draft doesn’t have any rejections or comments. I included a notability discussion based on the Wikipedia standards for musicians on the talk page in hopes of making it easier to review. Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cteddie1 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Ooops, forgot to sign Cteddie1 (talk) 16:00, 28 October 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

Done. You could use a few more refs specifically about Joshua Scott Jones, but it's a solid article. Thanks for the contribution! JSFarman (talk) 20:01, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you so much!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cteddie1 (talk • contribs) 20:07, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

Prior Deleted Article Help

Good morning Ms. Julie! I completed my Adam Sanders article and moved it to the mainspace. After I did that, there's a note on his talk page that says that he had an article written in 2014 and deleted in 2015. The note says "concern was: Sources do not mention Adam or are not reliable. iTunes charts are not relevant per WP:BAND. No secondary sourcing found at all." I don't think that there's a problem with notability or reliable sources today. He has articles in American Songwriter, Rolling Stone, and People magazine. I used 29 sources in the article. What do I need to do with or about the note on the talk page? Cteddie1 (talk) 14:52, 4 November 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

Hiya Cteddie1 (talk), an article with the same title (which may or may not have been the same Adam Sanders) was deleted in 2015. The notes on the talk page referred to that article, not the one that was just published. At any rate, I created the page. JSFarman (talk) 15:32, 4 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! Cteddie1 (talk) 16:06, 4 November 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

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Review for Damon Feldman

Good morning Miss Julie! Will you review an article for me? It's an article for Damon Feldman. It's in the 8 week pending AFC submission bucket. The guy that wrote it cited COI. I cleaned it up. Please let me know if it needs any further changes.Cteddie1 (talk) 16:01, 13 November 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

Hi and good morning to you too Cteddie1 (talk)! I just looked at the draft and it reads like an ad. There are a couple of simple format things (second word in headings is lower case, and refer to him as Feldman, not Damon) but I will leave it up to you to edit for tone -- maybe read WP:NPOV! JSFarman (talk) 16:35, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

What do you think now?Cteddie1 (talk) 15:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

Hi Cteddie1, I took out the pioneer line (def not neutral) and that his nationality is "Jewish American." There is no such thing! Spread the word! Jewish indicates religion, not nationality, and I very rarely include it in articles or infoboxes unless it is a prominent in the subject's life.

Not essential, of course, but there is SO much info in that Philly magazine story. You might add some of it to the article. Otherwise I thin it's ok but I am not awake enough to review it. PS! Danny Bonaduce was one of my closest friends in the mid-2000s, being reminded of the boxing thing cracked me up. Thanks for that! JSFarman (talk) 15:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)

I added some more information. Some of it was from Philly magazine. I'm ready for review again. Thanks! Cteddie1 (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2021 (UTC)cteddie1

Reviewed, accepted. JSFarman (talk) 16:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Awesome! Thank you so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cteddie1 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

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Peter Arnell and Arnell Group

Hi Julie. I work for Peter Arnell, and recently created drafts for him and for Arnell Group. Of course, I can't publish them myself due to my COI, but am looking to collaborate with others to ensure the pages meet Wikipedia's standards. I noted that you are interested in media and advertising, and that you are very active in the new pages arena, so was hoping you could take a look. Thanks! Joanne PA (talk) 15:06, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi Joanne and sorry for the delayed response. I'll take a look at the articles again today - Peter Arnell has such a big story though - I think the article can be expanded biographically - not so interested in the awards (as a reader). Thank you for asking and for the transparency! JSFarman (talk) 21:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi again Joanne PA (talk), the articles need a lot of work. They are essentially what Wikipedia is not in their current form. For example, the majority of the content in the Peter Arnell draft is the list of awards and the bibliography. Where's the Tropicana story? Where's the Pepsi story? Given your COI you may want to read about unintended consequences. JSFarman (talk) 17:42, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Hi Julie, so sorry for the delay. Thanks for your time and critical eye! I am more than happy to collaborate on these, and realize they will change from their existing form before they are worthy of inclusion. I am unsure where each of those stories should be included- on Peter's personal page, or on the company page? Am also not certain how they should be presented, as many sources read more as commentary than actual fact. Would love to hear your thoughts on this. Thanks again, Joanne PA (talk) 14:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)

@ Joanne PA (talk), I left some suggestions on the draft. And since the press coverage re Pepsi and Tropicana is focused on his work, it should be in the article about him as well as in the company article. There are a ton of sources for both, and while I agree that much of the sources offer only commentary, you can just include the facts - The New York Times article covers both topics adequately. Otherwise see the notes - format the bibliography, lose the lesser known awards, create a chart for the Clios (or all of the awards). Don't cherry pick what you include and go for neutrality; as a COI editor the article needs to be bulletproof. (I have had almost every article I've submitted with a COI kicked back to me at last once.) JSFarman (talk) 18:04, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-firing-of-weird-design-guru-peter-arnell-was-a-long-time-coming/ .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 20:58, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk), HAHAHAAHAHAH! That is hilarious. I don't know how I missed it. JSFarman (talk) 21:17, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

That was at the top of a google search. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:20, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

0mtwb9gd5wx (talk), Not for me. I got https://www.ahundredmonkeys.com/resources/peter-arnell-tries-his-hand-at-damage-control/, a blog post from A Hundred Monkeys, probably because I did some heavy searching on the company when their article was (much to my chagrin) (successfully) nominated for deletion. I'm still holding a grudge. JSFarman (talk) 21:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@JSFarman: how far down is https://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-firing-of-weird-design-guru-peter-arnell-was-a-long-time-coming/  ? 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 21:32, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@0mtwb9gd5wx:, Now it shows up at #2, but it didn't when I first searched - you know, the algo thing, Google fetches the results it thinks I want to see. Proof that Google knows nothing about me b/c that CBS story is exactly what I wanted to see. (I just searched via Duck Duck Go and it came up just after Peter Arnell's LinkedIn profile.) JSFarman (talk) 21:48, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

@JSFarman: you can set up Google search to give you 100 results per request. I saw on a SEO website &pws=1 removes personalization. .... 0mtwb9gd5wx (talk) 22:01, 18 September 2021 (UTC)

Wolf, Mary Montgomery (2007). "We Accept You, One of Us?": Punk Rock, Community, and Individualism in an Uncertain Era, 1974—1985. doi:10.17615/e26e-6m88. Retrieved 2015-08-17. dissertation, Ph.D., History PDF Open access

Hi @0mtwb9gd5wx: 394 pages. All of which I would love to read at some point; the author and I got to punk rock at about the same time. But, is Peter Arnell in it? Am I? Are you? Did you write it? JSFarman (talk) 15:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

PS - how did you get to my talk page? And will you please stick around? Smiley face. JSFarman (talk) 15:45, 23 September 2021 (UTC)

Julie, thanks so much for your help with this, and for leaving a fresh slate on the Talk page. Truly appreciated. Joanne PA (talk) 18:50, 8 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks JoanneThanks also for your perseverance, and for doing everything right! JSFarman (talk) 04:30, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

Joanne: The edits you requested made me realize that leaving a "fresh slate" on the talk page was a disservice to other editors. JSFarman (talk) 18:42, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

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Chris! Thank you - I needed a laugh today. Hope you are well and that are paths cross in 2022. (I'm an optimist! I think I say that annually.) Happy New Year! JSFarman (talk) 05:04, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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Hi there,

Thank you for accepting the page and have a great new year!

Cheers, Nicole Beansalad3 (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for persevering, Nicole! Hope you stick around Wikipedia. Happy 2022! JSFarman (talk) 05:01, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Appreciate it Julie! and happy new year to you as well! Apologies for the misspelling of your name and it took time but the page got there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Beansalad3 (talk • contribs) 05:05, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

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