Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Signpost/2019-07-31/Arbitration report
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- Funny how you somehow fail to mention Disputed Signpost article. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:00, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- I was wondering just that, too. Perhaps better judgement has produced some embarrassment about it all... one can only hope. - SchroCat (talk) 23:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)
- Now added. - SchroCat (talk) 10:36, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's worth pointing out that the case was not only rejected, but in response to one of the Arbitrator's comment:
I do not think the committee should be ruling on the continued existence of the newspaper, nor really on how it conducts its stories. If the community has reservations about either matter, they may test consensus by nominating the newspaper at WP:MFD.
, aMFDdeletion proposal was initiated and SNOW defeated. In another area, I called this an implicit embrace of The Signpost's function as a legitimate journalistic/investigatory/opinion outlet, by the community. Many of these functions were explicitly challenged by individuals commenting at the request for an Arbcom case. Bri.public (talk) 17:07, 1 August 2019 (UTC)- The ArbCom case request was never about the future of the newsletter: it was about one extremely bad article. Your take on the "implicit embrace" streatches logic and reality way too far to take seriously: the MfD showed people thought the newsletter should continue, nothing more. I hoped that sensible and sober reflection would have followed these two actions, but it appears that hubris is the result instead. If more lines are crossed by Signpost, this could well be the beginning of the end. - SchroCat (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- The comments above were a capsule of my comments at the Arbcom case request, defending The Signpost. I won't repeat them in their entirety here. My feeling is the subsequent deletion proposal spoke almost in one voice of continuing publication with some boundaries set. We all recognize this and in fact, the E in C is already investigating how to set a more formal mission and boundaries, as part of a "sensible and sober reflection". There's no reason to speak of
the beginning of the end
or to get all worked up around an imaginary runaway train scenario. I continue to be an enthusiastic contributor, and I wish there were more of them sharing a vision of Signpost as a key thread helping to weave a community together. Bri.public (talk) 18:08, 1 August 2019 (UTC)- I don't think anyone here is getting "worked up" – I view the Signpost dispassionately, not emotionally. The publication has hit a few bumps recently, including the incredibly poorly-judged Fram article. It won't take too many more of those before thing happen out of the writers' control. As for the Editor's attempt to set boundaries, are you seriously suggesting that the person who thought the Fram article was a good idea, who pulled the sorry mess together and then defended it at ArbCom, with no reflection that he might have cocked up, is really the best person to decide what the best course of action is? – SchroCat (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- Just to briefly add one small point to this: if the Signpost newsletter thinks it is OK to miss out of its publication an event where it was taken to ArbCom over one of its own very poorly conceived stories, how is anyone supposed to have any confidence in its content? Quietly censoring the Signpost ArbCom case request on the page supposedly covering all ArbCom case requests raises another question mark over this publication. – SchroCat (talk) 08:00, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
- I don't think anyone here is getting "worked up" – I view the Signpost dispassionately, not emotionally. The publication has hit a few bumps recently, including the incredibly poorly-judged Fram article. It won't take too many more of those before thing happen out of the writers' control. As for the Editor's attempt to set boundaries, are you seriously suggesting that the person who thought the Fram article was a good idea, who pulled the sorry mess together and then defended it at ArbCom, with no reflection that he might have cocked up, is really the best person to decide what the best course of action is? – SchroCat (talk) 18:56, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- The comments above were a capsule of my comments at the Arbcom case request, defending The Signpost. I won't repeat them in their entirety here. My feeling is the subsequent deletion proposal spoke almost in one voice of continuing publication with some boundaries set. We all recognize this and in fact, the E in C is already investigating how to set a more formal mission and boundaries, as part of a "sensible and sober reflection". There's no reason to speak of
- The ArbCom case request was never about the future of the newsletter: it was about one extremely bad article. Your take on the "implicit embrace" streatches logic and reality way too far to take seriously: the MfD showed people thought the newsletter should continue, nothing more. I hoped that sensible and sober reflection would have followed these two actions, but it appears that hubris is the result instead. If more lines are crossed by Signpost, this could well be the beginning of the end. - SchroCat (talk) 17:16, 1 August 2019 (UTC)
- It's worth pointing out that the case was not only rejected, but in response to one of the Arbitrator's comment:
This may be a dumb question, but how do I read the actual Canadian Politics case? The link provided above is to a text-only diff. I can see a link in the diff, but it is not something one can navigate to. So, how do I get there? Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)