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Very good. So is "Satan's Jewel Crown" on your side or the other?! All the best, Chiswick Chap (talk) 08:29, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- A lot of country musicians blur the line when it comes to whether they could be considered "Christian music" or not. That particular song I'd say is very Christian.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 13:41, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- 'Course it is. I was only kidding about the title. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oh, right. Sorry, I didn't catch that.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- 'Course it is. I was only kidding about the title. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:14, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
@3family6: Thanks for contributing this. The WikiProject Report doesn't get as much attention as other sections in the Signpost, but it is one of my favorites because I enjoy learning about areas of the encyclopedia and the editors working there that I might not otherwise encounter. Gamaliel (talk) 16:38, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for your kind words. In doing this interview I realized that I would enjoy writing more of these. I'm thinking maybe some of the Science WikiProjects, with this being the Year of Science.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 16:43, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
- I saw very little reference to actual music here.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oops. Worse than I thought. "Worship music" redirects to "Contemporary worship music". I wonder if I should fix that?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Worship music", as much as I personally dislike the term as a genre descriptor, is synonymous with "Contemporary worship music." This would distinguish it from traditional liturgical music such as hymns or Western classical. So I don't see a problem with that particular redirect. I'm not sure what your other criticism is about. I do welcome criticism of my writing, because as much as I may initially feel disappointed, it motivates me to write better. I will note that the interview is about the WikiProject, not Christian music. Secondly, the content after my write-up is mainly up to the interviewees to contribute. Finally, this WikiProject Report was rather unorthodox in that I included questions about the editors' activities outside the WikiProject. I experimented with a more holistic and personal approach, letting the editors talk about themselves and some of their other interests more than a conventional WikiProject report might. I do not know if I would take this approach again if I ever do another WikiProject Report.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- I correctly assumed that you would not interview anyone with an interest in the kind of Christian music I like. It's not a criticism because there's probably not a lot of interest among Wikipedia editors in church music (this appears to be the Wikipedia article on the topic), compared to Christian music that sounds like everything else on the radio. I don't really have an interest in editing the Wikipedia articles about the music.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- I actually would be interested in interviewing someone with your interest. I apologize if you felt left out. I did not follow the usual method of soliciting interviews for this piece. Usually the interviewer will post a notice on the WikiProject in question to request for interviewees. In this case, as an active participant in the WikiProject, at least two of the editors I interviewed I planned to interview from the get-go. I then looked through Category:WikiProject Christian music participants to find some active participants to solicit. You personally were not listed in that category, or else I might've found you and tried to include you to achieve some diversity in interest. I think part of the limitation of the project as a whole is that many of the editors of church music and the like are not listed as participants in the WikiProject. The other part of the limitation was that I did not publicly solicit for interviews. I certainly would not use the the methodology that I did in another WikiProject Report, and I do accept your criticism of my methodology in this case.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 20:06, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- I correctly assumed that you would not interview anyone with an interest in the kind of Christian music I like. It's not a criticism because there's probably not a lot of interest among Wikipedia editors in church music (this appears to be the Wikipedia article on the topic), compared to Christian music that sounds like everything else on the radio. I don't really have an interest in editing the Wikipedia articles about the music.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:46, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- "Worship music", as much as I personally dislike the term as a genre descriptor, is synonymous with "Contemporary worship music." This would distinguish it from traditional liturgical music such as hymns or Western classical. So I don't see a problem with that particular redirect. I'm not sure what your other criticism is about. I do welcome criticism of my writing, because as much as I may initially feel disappointed, it motivates me to write better. I will note that the interview is about the WikiProject, not Christian music. Secondly, the content after my write-up is mainly up to the interviewees to contribute. Finally, this WikiProject Report was rather unorthodox in that I included questions about the editors' activities outside the WikiProject. I experimented with a more holistic and personal approach, letting the editors talk about themselves and some of their other interests more than a conventional WikiProject report might. I do not know if I would take this approach again if I ever do another WikiProject Report.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 19:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- Oops. Worse than I thought. "Worship music" redirects to "Contemporary worship music". I wonder if I should fix that?— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
Thank you. No, you wouldn't have found me, as I have never actively edited articles related to my taste in Christian music. Actually, I've done more for the various Contemporary Christian genres. I noticed some omissions and decided this was a situation that needs correcting, even if I don't care for the music itself.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 20:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
- I suppose according to Google the term "Worship music" is not used for my kind of Christian music. However, I discovered some information that should be included in Contemporary worship music and Contemporary worship. Most of it was in blogs and I'm not sure how Wikipedia would view them as reliable sources but one source, which I couldn't access online without a subscription, I can see on paper at the library where I was today. I can still provide a URL of the article, I guess. The short version is that contemporary worship and its music are on the decline, and its biggest supporters are actually older. Some young people don't know anything else and one comment (in the blog, not a comment about the blog) was that this is a shame (and I forget whether this is the person writing or someone interviewed). Again, I am not saying anything that I have found in a reliable source, and I haven't seen the actual paper magazine yet, although it is dated 2011. More on this subject will have to be found, but I think it's an important development.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:37, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Vchimpanzee: You can ask other editors for help getting those kinds of articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. A lot of us have access to various databases and are willing to share. Gamaliel (talk) 21:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I haven't said yet that this is a problem. I know about this from when I was able to provide help. What I need help with is asking people to look at the blogs, if I can ever find them again, and decide whether the information can be used as is or whether we need to find other sources.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- It wasn't too hard. This was the blog post, which led me to this article. I just need some advice on how to proceed.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- Second Nature is an actual, reliable online journal, with an ISSN and submission process and everything. I think I've read that article before, actually (and I can't say that I would be disappointed to see contemporary worship music go into decline). I don't think the Patheos post is reliable, though I've been unsure of how Patheos should be treated as a source.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thank you. See what you think of my efforts.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:10, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- Second Nature is an actual, reliable online journal, with an ISSN and submission process and everything. I think I've read that article before, actually (and I can't say that I would be disappointed to see contemporary worship music go into decline). I don't think the Patheos post is reliable, though I've been unsure of how Patheos should be treated as a source.--3family6 (Talk to me | See what I have done) 02:36, 8 April 2016 (UTC)
- It wasn't too hard. This was the blog post, which led me to this article. I just need some advice on how to proceed.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:07, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
- Thanks. I haven't said yet that this is a problem. I know about this from when I was able to provide help. What I need help with is asking people to look at the blogs, if I can ever find them again, and decide whether the information can be used as is or whether we need to find other sources.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 21:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
- @Vchimpanzee: You can ask other editors for help getting those kinds of articles at Wikipedia:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. A lot of us have access to various databases and are willing to share. Gamaliel (talk) 21:21, 6 April 2016 (UTC)