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Proposal to mergeEdit
Hi, I generally operate on my lonesome without much community interaction, so I don't know if this is an appropriate place for this, but I'd like to propose the merger of Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Intelligence_task_force and WikiProject Espionage. I have no idea which is a better fit to be combined into the other, but the only individuals remaining within the Intelligence task force are myself and one other individual, and these are somewhat closely related areas. I have no idea how this sort of thing is done, but I generally care about supporting the understanding of civilian and military intelligence tradecraft, and the history of espionage, and this corner of wikipedia seems to be wilting away. Not trying to step on toes, but then there are few toes left to step on, so I'm trying to be WP:BOLD. Just a thought. - Abovfold (talk) 13:17, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- Abovfold, perhaps you could try posting also at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history to see if they have any objections or suggestions? I'm not sure of the protocol for these things either. Meticulo (talk) 14:31, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- ...also, I've taken the liberty of moving both our comments from the main project page to this talk page. Meticulo (talk) 14:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
- The history of the process of mucking up original intentions of projects and playing with scopes and shifts and changes has seen multiple messes in the ships/maritime area.
- It would be appreciated if the consideration that many projects in wikipedia have had as weird histories that dont change simply because one editor has a problem.
- The name, the scope and positioning of Intelligence/espionage was a saga some years ago, and the life history of the issues raised sometimes get hijacked with little to no consultation. Some editors who have supported this project in the past do not turn up on call, there is no guarantee that yet another hijack will be welcomed. (That is not meant to be personal, it has happened in the past, and likely that just because there is an urge to pitch it into milhist (which has at times a very quiet and close to no maintenance done inside its project - which in itself is never a very encouraging sign of its veracity despite its size) someone some time in the history of wikipedia will haul it back to one of the older names of intel or espionage
- There is nothing wrong with having the two separate - military intell, and the espionage projects - I would defer to the editors who have worked on the intel and espionage projects from way back (not recent low edit eds, just a bias towards opinions from those who have seen the comings an goings) - I know some might take a time to respond. However, the shift I believe is a very hohum, and expect it to be moved out again into the open down the line, so having seen it all before, I really think that leaving it alone and maintaining and adding all the large selection of unincluded material that lies out in wikipedia space about espionage and spies that has not been brought in - far more relevant imho. Thanks for leaving comments around - lets hope this is not a quiet conversation of few editors.
- Hahah - the spooks of real life who watch this project must think that they dont have to worry about the haphazard far from thorough and incomplete coverage - it goes quiet so often. JarrahTree 10:39, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
- I understand what yall are getting at, I only raise this because I was cleaning up the list of active users listed on the Milhist page, there was only one other user beside myself who had even used the site in the last two years or so. Makes one worry. Hopefully anons will carry on the work of the project. Though I have it on pretty good authority that real spooks do lurk these projects from time to time. I was once informed that one of my big edits had been used as background explanation for something up on JWICS.. you never know what the impact of the work you quietly shoot into the ether here can be. Abovfold (talk) 08:40, 18 June 2021 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:CIA activities in Iraq#Requested move 1 August 2021Edit
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:CIA activities in Iraq#Requested move 1 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —hueman1 (talk • contributions) 14:16, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Pegasus (spyware) has an RFCEdit
Pegasus (spyware), which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Szmenderowiecki (talk) 22:35, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
User script to detect unreliable sourcesEdit
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (
John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)
and turns it into something like
- John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.
Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.
I recently created an article for Anomaly Six, a secretive American company which develops tools that can be used in mass surveillance. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you, Thriley (talk) 04:48, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Requested move at Talk:Operation Rubicon (Crypto AG)#Requested move 26 August 2022Edit
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Operation Rubicon (Crypto AG)#Requested move 26 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibbolethink (♔ ♕) 15:48, 4 September 2022 (UTC)